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      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    6.2% for monash. I would never have thought.
    freightgate

    With my job I spend a lot of time in all different parts of Melbourne, including Monash, and yes I can certainly see that. Monash, like with every other part of Melbourne is very diverse, and that includes all ends of the spectrum.
    Posted: 23 Oct 2014 22:32

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      ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

    Location: BleakCity
    All employed as what trolley collectors at woolies and cleaners and taxi drivers driving taxis for people in the east and south east http://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif .. ppl down south east earning $100000 a year or more pay a lot more tax than your trolley boys out west in deer park and werribee and sunbury and sunshine
    dweeb

    If we're going to compare like with like:

    In the City of Monash, 13% of the population earned an income of $1,500 or more per week in 2011.
    In the City of Moonee Valley, 16% of the population earned an income of $1,500 or more per week in 2011.

    In the City of Casey, 8% of the population earned an income of $1,500 or more per week in 2011.
    In Sunbury, 11% of the population earned an income of $1,500 or more per week in 2011.

    What's it like being a poor southeasterner?

    I think I get your need for security out west - you seem like a person people would love to punch.
    Posted: 23 Oct 2014 22:46

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      Rodo Chief Commissioner

    Location: Southern Riverina
    In my travels about Melbourne's train system I would say that I have seen more scrotish types about the eastern suburbs than the west.

    My middle son is a big time mining engineer and based in his modest home in St. Albans. (all bought and paid for)
    Posted: 24 Oct 2014 09:48
      MtBeenak Train Controller

    "Why do we still bother running trains to places that aren(')t growth areas(?) (I) mean(,) why do we still run the (G)len (W)averley line(?)"

    I have fixed your punctuation. Clearly you are from one of the lower socio-economic parts of Melbourne where they cannot afford punctuation or grammar.

    Now in answer to your question, Glen Waverley is a growing suburb. Passenger numbers are ever increasing. Changes to planning laws now permit medium and high density housing close to railway stations. This has increased population numbers along the line, primarily it seems for overseas students.

    Perhaps you should leave your keyboard and visit some of the places you so readily deride!


    "Is the cost of the project really that high?"  Good Question!  The duplication of Keon Park to Epping, including a three kilometre extension to South Morang allegedly cost $870 million!  That was without land acquisition, as the previous Whittlesea line easement still exists.  Among the costs were extra trains and, presumably, gold plated signal posts. I have never been able to understand the figures quoted for government projects.
    Posted: 24 Oct 2014 11:51

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      kapow Junior Train Controller

    All employed as what trolley collectors at woolies and cleaners and taxi drivers driving taxis for people in the east and south east Rolling Eyes .. ppl down south east earning $100000 a year or more pay a lot more tax than your trolley boys out west in deer park and werribee and sunbury and sunshine
    Chidda Bang


    Even if this was true which it simply isn't would it be justification for the west to be a PT poor area? Your augments are not based in fact but they are based on a snobbish attitude that should crawl back under the rock that it came from.
    Posted: 24 Oct 2014 15:17
      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    "Is the cost of the project really that high?" Good Question! The duplication of Keon Park to Epping, including a three kilometre extension to South Morang allegedly cost $870 million! That was without land acquisition, as the previous Whittlesea line easement still exists. Among the costs were extra trains and, presumably, gold plated signal posts. I have never been able to understand the figures quoted for government projects.
    MtBeenak

    I'm not sure about gold plated signal posts, but I never quite understood why Thomastown got such an extravagent new station, surely a simple extra platform and modest waiting room would have sufficed, and cut the cost of the program significantly.

    That said, I do beleive that project also included significant works on the Hurstbridge line, including signalling past Greensborough and amplification of the track between Clifton Hill and Westgarth, previously it was only single line through there.
    Posted: 25 Oct 2014 01:23
      LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

    Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
    On the South Morang extension project costs: http://www.ptua.org.au/2009/07/14/truth-behind-south-morang/

    Why did they hide the true scope of the extension project? Well, such an exorbitant cost could become normalised and hence protect the bureaucrats at PTC/DoT/VicRoads et al. when other lower-scope projects face cost blow-outs.
    Posted: 25 Oct 2014 12:08
      Camster Chief Commissioner

    Location: Geelong
    When it came to Glen Waverley, my understanding is some of that line was paid for by people who lived on the line, whether they liked it or not.
    Posted: 26 Oct 2014 12:12
      ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

    Location: BleakCity
    Citation needed.
    Posted: 27 Oct 2014 15:01
      kapow Junior Train Controller

    Curious as to where you have found these plans wxtre, from my understanding there were never any plans for the Glen Waverley Line to extend any further than its current location, there certainly was never any land set aside for any further extension.
    Posted: 27 Oct 2014 19:50
      gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    Citation needed.
    ZH836301

    Mr Squiggle?
    Posted: 27 Oct 2014 20:11
      gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    Mr Squiggle?
    gmanning1

    Mr Squiggle was a cheery, scatter-brained character who would often be distracted and would occasionally go for "space-walks", and his assistant would need to calm him down to get him to focus on the task of drawing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Squiggle
    Posted: 27 Oct 2014 20:17
      gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney
    When I originally settled to the locality of Waverly in Melbourne, (courtesy of my employer) I often wondered why I couldn't just jump on a train and get to work for any/all of my shifts, just down the road, next door to Monash uni.

    I thought about all the uni students and smart busses, and just put it down to lack of government funds. At the end of the day, a hire car was a lot easier and faster, especially on those dreaded night and weekend shifts.

    Anyhow, I relocated to Clayton and shaved off 20 minutes travelling time, and my employer gasped with relief with the reduction in my travel and accomodation assistance each pay period. I often wondered why the link from Huntingdale to xxx was never realised.

    I liked Waverly, but moving closer to Monash was going to be a lot cheaper and quicker than waiting for all the imaginary rail lines, which appeared to have been tallked about for eons.

    The most questioning thing, once I blended into suburbia, was how many road/railway crossings there still are in Melbourne. Since relocating to Sydney, I can see how this should be a much bigger priority than building imaginary tunnels and installing state of the art signalling techology. (of which I would love to be involved with Smile-)
    Posted: 27 Oct 2014 20:42
      kapow Junior Train Controller



    As depicted in this diagram the Glen Waverley rail-line originally extended to Springvale Road with the intention of crossing over this road. But the station was moved and that section of track of truncated.
    "wxtre"


    That was 50 metres away from the current station, this isn't in dispute. You posted that there were plans for the line to extend further with land set aside for this and sold off for housing at a later date. You still haven't shown us where you found this information, I'm curious as I have never seen anything regarding this proposed extension or reserved land.
    Posted: 27 Oct 2014 21:42

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      gmanning1 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney


    As depicted in this diagram the Glen Waverley rail-line originally extended to Springvale Road with the intention of crossing over this road. But the station was moved and that section of track of truncated.
    wxtre

    Without being a "know-it-all", there would be a lot more planning envolved than just digging up old maps and schematical diagrams.

    Overall traffic mangement, and town planning, and other good stuff comes into force, be it with multi billlion dollar space shuttle program's, or extra-ordinary suburban train lines.

    What happened, or didn't, in the past shouldn't direct our future thoughts with tax funded projects, but it should be a basis for economic understanding.

    I'm not saying we should ignore it, but it may well be a good exercise to understand why they are more likely to exist in the national library's rather than wizzing past your front door step.

    The next generation will look back on us, and quite correctly, question why we are paying high interest rates and taking that extra 10 minutes to get to work without the wider community funding it.

    Your lines on the Melways are good, but uneconomical for the most part.
    Posted: 27 Oct 2014 21:44
      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!


    As depicted in this diagram the Glen Waverley rail-line originally extended to Springvale Road with the intention of crossing over this road. But the station was moved and that section of track of truncated.
    wxtre

    All correct except for your addition of "with the intention of crossing over the road". There never was intention to cross over Springvale Rd, although the original construction merely left the option open incase the situation changed and there was later to be an extension. There never was actual plans, never anything more than "maybe in the future there might be the need so we will leave it here for now" All this was later cancelled out by the construction of the new station in the 1960s, which was probably just to cater for the developement of the town center of Glen Waverley that was happening at the time.

    There never were any plans to extend the Glen Waverley line past Springvale Rd.
    Posted: 29 Oct 2014 17:44

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