50 level crossings to be removed

 
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

whatever you reckon, this is one thing that the goofballs in Labor have done right, ivesting in the future every gouv works on a deficit. Those that do not think so are kidding themselves..................and I do not like politics.....................
Sorry Trainbrain. Fed Labor you are right there, however the State ALP since the disastrous Cain years has been as fiscally responsible as the Coalition.


Michael
mejhammers1
you are entitled to your view, State and Federal of all persuasions treat us as FOOLS...................no accountabilitity all they do is play the Blame Game.simple...............

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

News on Carrum and Seaford 'skyrail':
http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/removing-frankston-line-level-crossings

Some of the locals (ie. No Skyrail mob) are already up in arms.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Five  (5)  issues here :

- The Government has made their  bed here by endlessly parroting on about  " 50 dangerous/congested level crossings where they all seem to have the booms down for 65 minutes of each peak hour , turning the adjacent road networks into grid lock ". They need to put a fresh twist on it . The punters are sick of the same endless  diatribe for each crossing , after nearly 4 years .Meanwhile the Opposition nitpicks, but would in reality drop the whole program ASAP if elected in favour of their hairbrained intersection  removal project , that will just transfer congestion down the roads .

- Originally the statement from Labor in Opposition was  - to "Remove 50 OF  the most dangerous", NOT  the 50 MOST dangerous lx ."  The Governments "spin doctors" fail dismally to point this out  , as they are too busy arranging photo opportunities for Ministers in flak jackets , joined by the Local Member  for Smeg Creek inspecting the deadly lx .  

- The Governments stubborness in still insisting on grade separating Cherry St , Werribee is  RIDICULOUS. Again the public are NOT fools .  A good Minister would simply announce that  Derrimut Road,  Deer Park will be grade separated instead as train traffic on that section has increased by  over  100  train movements a day since RRL opened, whereas at Cherry Street with no Geelong line trains total rail movements per day are now less than 20 in total over 24 hours , less than 1 train per hour .  Simple & logical, but no initiative , no political courage or leadership as usual .

-  Part of the claimed cost blowout , is in fact in that whilst the lx has been removed the opportunity has been taken at the same time to do additional roadworks or minor rail works, like a short section of duplication near Seaholme.  Whist these are good initiatives whilst the resources are there, the AG is correct in asking what sort of Cost/Benefit analysis has been done ?  if any .  The Government is negligent in not explaining that such extra works are being done whilst the resources are on site as it is far more cost effective .

The pork barreling claim will always be made by the Opposition, but the reality here is that the lx are largely being packaged to achieve faster removal and also to achieve better $ value by tendering as packages .

The LX Authority as such is very well managed with project delivery time wise, and ahead of schedule .
  slowcoach Locomotive Driver

News on Carrum and Seaford 'skyrail':
http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/removing-frankston-line-level-crossings

Some of the locals (ie. No Skyrail mob) are already up in arms.
Carnot
According to the artist's impression, the rail yard sidings near the station will be removed. Have the LXRA mentioned where the replacement sidings will be to store Metro trains and maintenance vehicles?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Here is the thing about the 50 most dangerous level crossings. All level crossings are dangerous and therefore it doesn't matter which order they go in when they all need to go. Stop complaining about the order in which they are removed and enjoy the fact that level crossings are being removed.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
News on Carrum and Seaford 'skyrail':
http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/removing-frankston-line-level-crossings

Some of the locals (ie. No Skyrail mob) are already up in arms.
According to the artist's impression, the rail yard sidings near the station will be removed. Have the LXRA mentioned where the replacement sidings will be to store Metro trains and maintenance vehicles?
slowcoach
At the new Kananook stabling yard.
  drunkill Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
News on Carrum and Seaford 'skyrail':
http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/removing-frankston-line-level-crossings

Some of the locals (ie. No Skyrail mob) are already up in arms.
According to the artist's impression, the rail yard sidings near the station will be removed. Have the LXRA mentioned where the replacement sidings will be to store Metro trains and maintenance vehicles?
slowcoach
The Jayco caravan place next to the highway, plus a few adjoining lots.

http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/rail-projects/kananook-stabling-facility

They really should just move stabling down to Baxter but I guess this is fine for storage of 8 trains.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The LX Authority as such is very well managed with project delivery time wise, and ahead of schedule .  As such the LX Authority is the construction authority for the Ballarat Line Upgrade project and one should have every confidence that once that gets wound up the construction and completion phase will be pretty quick over 2018/19 .
kuldalai
The Ballarat Line Upgrade is being delivered by the Metro Tunnel Authority, not the LXRA.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Regrading something related to the Camp road grade separation, is there room to move Upfield station to the other side of Barry road (with the option of moving it back when the line is extended) possibly with an extra stub track so that each train can wait until just after the next train is scheduled to arrive?
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

News on Carrum and Seaford 'skyrail':
http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/removing-frankston-line-level-crossings

Some of the locals (ie. No Skyrail mob) are already up in arms.
Carnot

As a Seaford resident, I can't wait for this all to get done.

TBH the NoSkyRail noise has somewhat subsided around here.  There weren't all that many NoSkyRail yard signs etc to begin with, at least not compared with Edithvale, and tons less than in Carnegie/Murrumbeena.  But the ones that *were* here have diminished quite a lot.  And a lot of people I've talked to are actually changing from "don't care either way" to actually being in favour of SkyRail, simply because they've gotten sick of the NoSkyRail protesting dragging out, and the silly options they've paraded as alternatives.

The number of locals up in arms about it is quite heavily overstated.  The reason why it's been so visible is simply that Carrum is a highly marginal electorate - Sonya Kilkenny only holds it by 1-2% for the ALP.  Mordialloc's margin is even closer from memory.  Hence the Libs pumping as much NoSkyRail cash into these two seats as possible.

The Libs tried hard in the Hughesdale to Caulfield stretch (in the ALP-held seat of Oakleigh) and whilst I'm sure it will make a dent, the ALP guy (name is I think Steve Dimopoulous, I should google that) won it by a solid 8 or so % at the last election, he should hold on.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

News on Carrum and Seaford 'skyrail':
http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/removing-frankston-line-level-crossings

Some of the locals (ie. No Skyrail mob) are already up in arms.
According to the artist's impression, the rail yard sidings near the station will be removed. Have the LXRA mentioned where the replacement sidings will be to store Metro trains and maintenance vehicles?
slowcoach

They're being rebuilt immediately north of Kananook station.  A few businesses such as the caravan place and the metal yard are being taken over for construction (this has been more fodder for the NoSkyRail brochures).  

Then at some point in the next decade, there will also be stabling built at Baxter when they extend the sparks there.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
News on Carrum and Seaford 'skyrail':
http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/removing-frankston-line-level-crossings

Some of the locals (ie. No Skyrail mob) are already up in arms.

As a Seaford resident, I can't wait for this all to get done.

TBH the NoSkyRail noise has somewhat subsided around here.  There weren't all that many NoSkyRail yard signs etc to begin with, at least not compared with Edithvale, and tons less than in Carnegie/Murrumbeena.  But the ones that *were* here have diminished quite a lot.  And a lot of people I've talked to are actually changing from "don't care either way" to actually being in favour of SkyRail, simply because they've gotten sick of the NoSkyRail protesting dragging out, and the silly options they've paraded as alternatives.

The number of locals up in arms about it is quite heavily overstated.  The reason why it's been so visible is simply that Carrum is a highly marginal electorate - Sonya Kilkenny only holds it by 1-2% for the ALP.  Mordialloc's margin is even closer from memory.  Hence the Libs pumping as much NoSkyRail cash into these two seats as possible.

The Libs tried hard in the Hughesdale to Caulfield stretch (in the ALP-held seat of Oakleigh) and whilst I'm sure it will make a dent, the ALP guy (name is I think Steve Dimopoulous, I should google that) won it by a solid 8 or so % at the last election, he should hold on.
Adogs
Do any of the NoSkyRail alternative proposals (they claim they have 6 options of their liking) hold any weight ? or are they just proposals that they think will work but will never get signed off on by authorities.

Being a very marginal seat, If the Governments plan was politically poison, they would quietly back away for It and pump $ Into other vote buying projects.

Minority groups can be very noisy and attract the attention of media outlets, the opposition try to milk this anger towards the Governments plan.

The opposition's claim that they will renegotiate contracts for the Carrum crossing removal to get a completely different outcome (If they win the next election) seems to be just spin the fool some angry voters.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Oppositions and even the government can spin all they like, but there is one considerable, naturally-occuring phenomenon from Aspendale to Seaford that governs everything.
It's called the water table.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Here is the summary of level crossing removals as of now. I can't figure out the costs for 3 crossings under contract (?).
28 crossing removals that have been costed total around 4 billion dollars. Now hope you found this interesting to look at.
I'll update it if I made any errors or figured out new info.

First contract 524 million total, 131 million each
4 stations rebuilt, all rail under road
-Burke Rd GLEN IRIS 2016
- Centre Rd BENTLEIGH 2016
- McKinnon Rd MCKINNON 2016
- North Rd ORMOND 2016

Second contract 480 million total, 120 million each
3 stations rebuilt, 1 station upgraded, all rail under road
- Heatherdale Rd MITCHAM 2017
- Blackburn Rd BLACKBURN 2017
- Main Road East/West ST ALBANS 2017
- Furlong Rd ST ALBANS 2017

Bayswater Package 177 million total, 88.5 million each
1 station rebuilt, both rail under road
- Scoresby Rd BAYSWATER 2017
- Mountain Hwy BAYSWATER 2017

Dandenong contract 1.6 billion total, 187 million each
5 stations rebuilt, all rail over road
- Chandler Rd NOBLE PARK 2018
- Heatherton Rd NOBLE PARK 2018
- Corrigan Rd NOBLE PARK 2018
- Centre Rd CLAYTON 2018
- Clayton Rd CLAYTON 2018
- Poath Rd HUGHESDALE 2018
- Murrumbeena Rd MURRUMBEENA 2018
- Koornang Rd CARNEGIE 2018
- Grange Rd CARNEGIE 2018

Melton Highway 46 million
Road over rail
- Melton Hwy SYDENHAM 2018

Thompson Highway 175 million (includes road duplication)
Road over rail
- Thompsons Rd LYNDHURST 2018

North East Package 395 million total, 127.5 million each
1 station rebuilt, 1 rail over, 1 rail under
- Hurstbridge rail duplication 2018 (140 million)
- Lower Plenty Rd ROSANNA 2018
- Grange Rd ALPHINGTON 2018

Not included in the contract, to be tendered soon
- High St RESERVOIR ---
- Bell St PRESTON ---

Southern Package 588 million total, 172 million each
1 station rebuild 1 rail over road, 1 hybrid, 2 road closures
- Promenade and station street bridge are included into scope of works
- Seaford Rd SEAFORD
- Eel Race Rd SEAFORD
- Station St CARRUM (connection moved south)
- Station St/Mascot Ave BONBEACH (Extra crossing removal)

Not included in the contract, to be tendered soon
- Balcombe Rd MENTONE
- Station St/Bondi Rd BONBEACH
- Charman Rd CHELTENHAM
- Park Rd CHELTENHAM (Extra crossing removal)
- Edithvale Rd EDITHVALE
- Station St/Mascot Avenue BONBEACH

North West Package ? million
1 Rail under road, 1 road under rail
- Camp Rd CAMPBELLFIELD 2018 (?)
- Buckley St ESSENDON 2019
- Bell St COBURG
- Moreland Rd BRUNSWICK
- Glenroy Rd GLENROY

Western Package 82 million total
3 Rail over road
- Skye/Overton Rd FRANKSTON 2018 (?)
- Kororoit Creek Rd W’TOWN NORTH 2018 (82 million)
- Abbotts Rd DANDENONG SOUTH 2019 (?)
- Aviation Rd LAVERTON 2020
- Werribee St WERRIBEE
- Cherry St WERRIBEE

- Ferguson St WILLIAMSTOWN

Unconfirmed
- Maroondah Hwy LILYDALE
- Manchester Rd MOOROOLBARK
- Toorak Rd KOOYONG
- Clyde Rd BERWICK
- Hallam Rd HALLAM
- South Gippsland Hwy DANDENONG
  historian Deputy Commissioner

The LX Authority as such is very well managed with project delivery time wise, and ahead of schedule.
kuldalai

Indeed, and that's exactly what the VAGO report found.

A VAGO report *never* says that everything is wonderful. There are always improvements to be made, and VAGO always points them out. But if they have identified major issues, the tone of the report is quite different.
  loopy Locomotive Driver

After the late January/early February closure of the Pakenham and Cranbourne lines, will trains be operating on Sky Rail? I'm asking because at least the Noble Park section looks very advanced in construction compared to the Clayton and Murrumbeena sections of Sky Rail and also how I heard in total there would only be 25 weekdays closed during the duration of the whole project
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

After the late January/early February closure of the Pakenham and Cranbourne lines, will trains be operating on Sky Rail? I'm asking because at least the Noble Park section looks very advanced in construction compared to the Clayton and Murrumbeena sections of Sky Rail and also how I heard in total there would only be 25 weekdays closed during the duration of the whole project
loopy
Opening date is 2018. Could it be opened in sections? Yes. Will it? Nothing announced as of yet, however the more photo shoots the better, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were opened as they became ready.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
After the late January/early February closure of the Pakenham and Cranbourne lines, will trains be operating on Sky Rail? I'm asking because at least the Noble Park section looks very advanced in construction compared to the Clayton and Murrumbeena sections of Sky Rail and also how I heard in total there would only be 25 weekdays closed during the duration of the whole project
loopy
There were some rubbery dates posted by someone on the Level Crossing Removal page

Noble Park opens around February

Clayton opens around April

Murrumbeena opens around June
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Next year though will be very busy
-9 Dandenong line crossings
-A huge upgrade on Hurstbridge line with 2 removals
-A removal on the Altona line with a better passing loop added
-Melton/Thompson Highway half way in progress, crossing removed & traffic moved onto the new bridge



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vXDbGQev1U
  falconea Station Master

There were some rubbery dates posted by someone on the Level Crossing Removal page

Noble Park opens around February

Clayton opens around April

Murrumbeena opens around June
Nightfire

The whole line would have to be shut down to build the ramps and connect the old line with the new - surely it would all be done in one lot?

Audrey
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
There were some rubbery dates posted by someone on the Level Crossing Removal page

Noble Park opens around February

Clayton opens around April

Murrumbeena opens around June

The whole line would have to be shut down to build the ramps and connect the old line with the new - surely it would all be done in one lot?

Audrey
falconea

You aren't thinking like a politician.
3 separate openings means 3 ribbons to cut, 3 media cycles and after all, it's an election year!

So if they're ready to go at different times, then that's what they'll do.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

There were some rubbery dates posted by someone on the Level Crossing Removal page

Noble Park opens around February

Clayton opens around April

Murrumbeena opens around June

The whole line would have to be shut down to build the ramps and connect the old line with the new - surely it would all be done in one lot?

Audrey

You aren't thinking like a politician.
3 separate openings means 3 ribbons to cut, 3 media cycles and after all, it's an election year!

So if they're ready to go at different times, then that's what they'll do.
lkernan
Exactly what I'm predicting they'll do and for the same reasons.

I wouldn't be surprised if Stations were opened on different days for the ability to have 9 press conferences.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Exactly what I'm predicting they'll do and for the same reasons.

I wouldn't be surprised if Stations were opened on different days for the ability to have 9 press conferences.
John.Z
There's 9 level crossings being removed, but only 5 stations being rebuilt. Still, you are probably right - I expect each one will be opened on different dates.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Even if the stations open on the same days, there will be 5 different opening ceremonies for sure.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There were some rubbery dates posted by someone on the Level Crossing Removal page

Noble Park opens around February

Clayton opens around April

Murrumbeena opens around June

The whole line would have to be shut down to build the ramps and connect the old line with the new - surely it would all be done in one lot?

Audrey
falconea
There are 8 different ramps (there really are 4 sections, Chandler Road elevated section Is separate to the other two roads at Noble Park)  

A lest 6 of the ramps are under construction (rather advanced when I last looked 6 Weeks ago)

The ramp between the new Hughesdale Station and Oakleigh, will be the trickiest to build, as It will cover part of the old station site.

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