50 level crossings to be removed

 
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
There's been a massive increase in activity around Reservoir LX in the last few days, in anticipation of the first full weekday closures of the line in two weeks time.

Lots of trees have come down, parts of the carpark are starting to be torn up (mainly to get at the trees though I think) and services around the station (water, power for lights etc., trackside signalling) are being relocated above ground and out of the way.

Plenty of people on site this morning as well, in contrast to previous weeks when there's basically been a site with not much visible going on.

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  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Hopefully they fast track the removal of Glenhuntly and Neerim Rd Crossings. I know Reservior is a nightmare but this is a massive pain for train passengers (especially express ones), tram passengers and cars. Boom gates are down forever in peak hour.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
For those wondering how Reservoir LX was going to work without stopping trains for a month...
During the shutdown overhead stanchions have been replaced with temporary ones that sit much lower and don't impede far on either side of the tracks. Piling rigs are in place on the outside of the tracks so they can dig while trains keep running.
I'm guessing the new station eventually goes as an island platfom on top of the existing tracks, with two separate viaducts on the side. I think the aim is to finish the viaducts while the existing tracks are operational, then close the station, runs the trains over the top and build the new station on the old tracks.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Makes sense as this was essentially how the CD9 were done. Good example of past successes informing current and future works.
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I wonder if they recycled the Stanchions from the CD9, and will be using those same ones around Resevoir?
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
I wonder if they recycled the Stanchions from the CD9, and will be using those same ones around Reservoir?
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/coalition-pledges-to-replace-glenferrie-rd-crossing-in-kooyong-with-underpass/news-story/3cc24d6786d23e8208ca0f35c7bf06bf
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/coalition-pledges-to-replace-glenferrie-rd-crossing-in-kooyong-with-underpass/news-story/3cc24d6786d23e8208ca0f35c7bf06bf


Can’t get past the paywall anymore but Liberals have promised to remove the Glenferrie Rd Level Crossing at Kooyong. Preferred method would either be road or rail underpass. Welcome to the party Liberals, let’s  see how many more they promise to get rid of. Expect Dan/Fed Labor to match
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/coalition-pledges-to-replace-glenferrie-rd-crossing-in-kooyong-with-underpass/news-story/3cc24d6786d23e8208ca0f35c7bf06bf
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/coalition-pledges-to-replace-glenferrie-rd-crossing-in-kooyong-with-underpass/news-story/3cc24d6786d23e8208ca0f35c7bf06bf


Can’t get past the paywall anymore but Liberals have promised to remove the Glenferrie Rd Level Crossing at Kooyong. Preferred method would either be road or rail underpass. Welcome to the party Liberals, let’s  see how many more they promise to get rid of. Expect Dan/Fed Labor to match
ptvcommuter

This is federal election porkbarrelling by Frydenberg for Kooyong.  He's looking for anything, anything at all that he can throw to voters in his seat.

Let's now all stop and consider what it means if the Libs are panicking in a seat like Kooyong...  And seeing as the price tag being touted is $250 Million, that's a lot of panic pork.
  John E Station Master

Haven't seen the article but i assume the Libs want it to be rail under, which would be ridiculous considering that Toorak road will be rail over.

This is the frustrating part of politics - if Glenferrie road, Toorak road and Tooronga road are all to be removed it would be much better to do it in 1 hit and 1 method ( rail over ). Sky Rail will have minimal visual impact in this area compared to the CD9. Thats because few houses abut the rail line ( unlike CD9 ), and the existing trees provide a pretty good visual barrier.
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Northern residents short-changed again! The LRXA website doesn't mention escalators at Reservoir despite it being much busier (1.2m/yr in 2014) than 4 other elevated stations where escalators have been provided (Carnegie 0.9, Hughesdale 0.6, Noble Park 1.0, Murrumbeena 0.8). Is this just an omission from the press release or an omission from the project?

https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/contract-signed-for-reservoir-level-crossing-removal
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

mm42 really???


Originally escalators were not included in the scope of the CD9 works. Obviously they changed the scope of the works to include these extras to appease the outrage of the minority who went protesting against the project.

Escalators are generally not an requirement at newly rebuilt railway stations. There is DDA requirements at all stations, and stations without ramps, have been provided with 2 lifts.

I don't think many rebuilt stations in the suburbs have escalators. The only exception is the newly built ones one the elevated rail along Dandenong.

There are many busy stations that got rebuilt and have no escalators.

For example Williams Landing station. Very high patronage, newly built stations, and no escalators.
Sunshine got rebuilt as part of RRL, also another very busy station in the west, no escalators.

And if you ever been to travelling to a station with an escalator such as Southern Cross or West Melbourne, you would find it often to see them break down.

Yes while an escalator would be a nice addition, but not quite necessery on a rebuilt station in the middle suburbs, DDA access is the aim. There are many more station that deserve better entrances that have much higher priority than Reservior. Also I think it's better to focus on more than one entrance to a station. Busy stations would have more benefit having a second entrance than escalators installed in some cases.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/national/coalition-pledges-to-replace-glenferrie-rd-crossing-in-kooyong-with-underpass/news-story/3cc24d6786d23e8208ca0f35c7bf06bf
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/coalition-pledges-to-replace-glenferrie-rd-crossing-in-kooyong-with-underpass/news-story/3cc24d6786d23e8208ca0f35c7bf06bf


Can’t get past the paywall anymore but Liberals have promised to remove the Glenferrie Rd Level Crossing at Kooyong. Preferred method would either be road or rail underpass. Welcome to the party Liberals, let’s  see how many more they promise to get rid of. Expect Dan/Fed Labor to match
ptvcommuter
In regards to this news, the Federal Libs have been pork barralleling almost every infrastructure project that has something to do with railways. Geelong High Speed trains and South Geelong-Waurn Ponds rail duplication was a big hint.

Honestly the Federal Liberals should pledge money to projects already on the 75 crossings listed, not pick the ones they want, advise the government to do rail under and the anti-skyrail crap.

Obviously after Toorak announcement was announced in February, the state Liberal opposition leader wasn't happy and was butt hurt of the decision of elevated rail and missing out extra level crossings in his seat. He pushed the Federal Government to fund these ones as an attack on the state Labor government.

Anyways looking forward to Shorten and Dan shake hands with the SRL business case reveal in 2020. Smile
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
mm42 really???


Originally escalators were not included in the scope of the CD9 works. Obviously they changed the scope of the works to include these extras to appease the outrage of the minority who went protesting against the project.

Escalators are generally not an requirement at newly rebuilt railway stations. There is DDA requirements at all stations, and stations without ramps, have been provided with 2 lifts.

I don't think many rebuilt stations in the suburbs have escalators. The only exception is the newly built ones one the elevated rail along Dandenong.

There are many busy stations that got rebuilt and have no escalators.

For example Williams Landing station. Very high patronage, newly built stations, and no escalators.
Sunshine got rebuilt as part of RRL, also another very busy station in the west, no escalators.

And if you ever been to travelling to a station with an escalator such as Southern Cross or West Melbourne, you would find it often to see them break down.

Yes while an escalator would be a nice addition, but not quite necessery on a rebuilt station in the middle suburbs, DDA access is the aim. There are many more station that deserve better entrances that have much higher priority than Reservior. Also I think it's better to focus on more than one entrance to a station. Busy stations would have more benefit having a second entrance than escalators installed in some cases.
True Believers
St Albans ( Busy ) and Ginifer also complete rebuilds with ramps , lifts and stairs ;no escalators .
  John E Station Master

Ramps are better than escalators (fit wheelchairs, prams etc). Also they are normally wider therefore can fit more people and as other people have mentioned don't breakdown.

Some stations may not be able to fit a DDA ramp but this probably has more to do with poor design.

If a station has lifts it doesn't also need escalators! People are lazy - its not hard to walk up or down a ramp!
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

St Albans, Ginifer and Williams Landing all have ramps. The LRXA website for Reservoir only mentions "lifts and stairs", not ramps. No ramp is shown in the image. So again, is this an omission from the press release or from the design?

Someone on Twitter points out that Reservoir will be an interchange station with the suburban rail loop. There should at least be provision for an escalator (by way of a suitably sized gap in the platform) to save the enormous costs of retrofitting one.

The "broken escalator" issues at Southern Cross and West Melbourne are issues of ordering a suitable grade of escalator and maintenance contract. Marcus Wong has a good post on this. The escalators on the City Loop don't seem to have the same problems, presumably because they purchased transit grade of a good brand and have a good maintenance contract.
  drunkill Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Northern residents short-changed again! The LRXA website doesn't mention escalators at Reservoir despite it being much busier (1.2m/yr in 2014) than 4 other elevated stations where escalators have been provided (Carnegie 0.9, Hughesdale 0.6, Noble Park 1.0, Murrumbeena 0.8). Is this just an omission from the press release or an omission from the project?

https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/contract-signed-for-reservoir-level-crossing-removal
mm42
As an aside, Carnegie has 11 and 12 story apartments being built there, it is next to a major university campus and the area is 55% renters. The patronage of Carnegie and Murrumbeena will grow significantly over the next decade.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

St Albans, Ginifer and Williams Landing all have ramps. The LRXA website for Reservoir only mentions "lifts and stairs", not ramps. No ramp is shown in the image. So again, is this an omission from the press release or from the design?

Someone on Twitter points out that Reservoir will be an interchange station with the suburban rail loop. There should at least be provision for an escalator (by way of a suitably sized gap in the platform) to save the enormous costs of retrofitting one.

The "broken escalator" issues at Southern Cross and West Melbourne are issues of ordering a suitable grade of escalator and maintenance contract. Marcus Wong has a good post on this. The escalators on the City Loop don't seem to have the same problems, presumably because they purchased transit grade of a good brand and have a good maintenance contract.
mm42
DDA class ramps are difficult to fit on an elevated island platform. Lifts are a requirement as accessibility for those who can't use the stairs. And stairs enable most people access to the platforms, they'll be made wide enough to allow efficient output.

Escalators are an extra bonus, they are not a neccessity to every busy station on the network.

Yes they are used in underground stations, because they are more deeper and harder to access without them.

But surprisingly stairs have more capacity than a escalator, and an escalator doesn't provide an extra alternative for the disabled. Escalators are used more often used when you need to go up a few levels in a building, or provide an easier way in/out the station (especially deep stations). But you don't see them being added on every station because the costs outweigh the benefits.

Someone on Twitter points out that Reservoir will be an interchange station with the suburban rail loop. In fine print by 2032, in other words Reservior station is 12 years old. Also you wouldn't need to retrofit it, since the elevated station is seperate from the underground one. That is if the SRL is built to completion, which is still in doubt. Only 2 sections are guaranteed.

Broken escalator issues are because they didn't expect such a growth in demand at those station, so they built cheap ones. Mind you, they are inner city stations. It's common to find lifts not working, hence why they put a ramp or a second lift. Do you think adding a transit grade escalator is cheap?

Would be better providing more second entrances to existing stations which has already been happening at some stations. This is more of priority than escalators.

Wider entrances, more entrances & better DDA access. Escalators are just a cherry on top, they're usage is limited cause they are only benefitial to deeper station or the inner city stations where demand is really high enough to warrant they're usage.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Concerned about losing a blue ribbon seat Scomo has been offering more money in the eastern suburbs for level crossing removals in a desperate attempt to shore up support and I think it might be working.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Concerned about losing a blue ribbon seat Scomo has been offering more money in the eastern suburbs for level crossing removals in a desperate attempt to shore up support and I think it might be working.
x31
If it is working, it's because many people evidently cannot differentiate between Federal and State issues.  Railway infrastructure is a State Government responsibility.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Concerned about losing a blue ribbon seat Scomo has been offering more money in the eastern suburbs for level crossing removals in a desperate attempt to shore up support and I think it might be working.
If it is working, it's because many people evidently cannot differentiate between Federal and State issues.  Railway infrastructure is a State Government responsibility.
Lad_Porter
   As Winston Churchill once said ; "" The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter . "
If people base their local vote on such blatant bribery and do not think about the overall tone of the party and the record of the party they are voting for we are in deep trouble.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Concerned about losing a blue ribbon seat Scomo has been offering more money in the eastern suburbs for level crossing removals in a desperate attempt to shore up support and I think it might be working.
If it is working, it's because many people evidently cannot differentiate between Federal and State issues.  Railway infrastructure is a State Government responsibility.
   As Winston Churchill once said ; "" The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter . "
If people base their local vote on such blatant bribery and do not think about the overall tone of the party and the record of the party they are voting for we are in deep trouble.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Concerned about losing a blue ribbon seat Scomo has been offering more money in the eastern suburbs for level crossing removals in a desperate attempt to shore up support and I think it might be working.
If it is working, it's because many people evidently cannot differentiate between Federal and State issues.  Railway infrastructure is a State Government responsibility.
   As Winston Churchill once said ; "" The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter . "
If people base their local vote on such blatant bribery and do not think about the overall tone of the party and the record of the party they are voting for we are in deep trouble.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Concerned about losing a blue ribbon seat Scomo has been offering more money in the eastern suburbs for level crossing removals in a desperate attempt to shore up support and I think it might be working.
x31

What are you basing your hunch on?

I can almost guarantee it ain't working.

It looks ridiculous for the federal Libs try to steal/piggyback a state Labor initiative.  In the eyes of the voters, Dan Andrews owns the branding on LX removals in Victoria - this announcement from Morrison just looks opportunistic.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Ramps are better than escalators (fit wheelchairs, prams etc). Also they are normally wider therefore can fit more people and as other people have mentioned don't breakdown.

Some stations may not be able to fit a DDA ramp but this probably has more to do with poor design.

If a station has lifts it doesn't also need escalators! People are lazy - its not hard to walk up or down a ramp!
John E

Ramps have to be much longer then stairs to meet DDA requirements and so might take up too much room on the platform.

The whole point of escalators is that even if they aren't working they are still essentially a set of stairs. Put some lifts to the platform and if the escalators keep breaking down then replace the things with more reliable units.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The whole point of escalators is that even if they aren't working they are still essentially a set of stairs.
simstrain
Not when they are barricaded off as at Southern Cross.

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