50 level crossings to be removed

 
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The whole point of escalators is that even if they aren't working they are still essentially a set of stairs.
Not when they are barricaded off as at Southern Cross.
duttonbay

Well that is stupid. unless it has a land mine attached to it why not leave them open so people can walk down them.

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  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The whole point of escalators is that even if they aren't working they are still essentially a set of stairs.
Not when they are barricaded off as at Southern Cross.

Well that is stupid. unless it has a land mine attached to it why not leave them open so people can walk down them.
simstrain
I discovered on Friday when I used platform 9 at Southern Cross that the barricaded escalator has had all the "steps" removed, so the barricade is pretty reasonable I think.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The whole point of escalators is that even if they aren't working they are still essentially a set of stairs.
Not when they are barricaded off as at Southern Cross.

Well that is stupid. unless it has a land mine attached to it why not leave them open so people can walk down them.
simstrain
When ever an area of public access develops a problem, the occ healthy and safety rules change and the general public are not covered by any accidnet compensation, only repair staff are covered, that is why the close off such areas. If one does NOT do that and some one even trips in that area., then one will at least get a severe telling off with threats of fines. THis happened to a friend of mine and I while rebuilding a weight bridge in a small country town An experience I would NOT like to repeat.

Bye the way, those old weigh bridges are dead accurate, beating the newer electronic items by many kilometres. The one we rebuilt I believe went up 30 tons, but it weighed me to an accuracy of 1 pound (226 pounds), One needed to give it time (at least a minute) to settle though. I was surprised something so big and heavy could move so delicately.

woodford
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

If the escalator fault relates to its drive system, there may be a good reason it can’t be used as a set of stairs - that is, that it might not safely hold still under the weight of a full load.

I’m quite happy for them to keep the escalator out of service if it’s broken, rather than end up with some deadly situation.
  stooge spark Train Controller

A deadly and a particularly gory situation might I add. Going through the workings of an escalator doesn't make you look pretty.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
How do we now have posts about the SCS escalators in the LX Removal thread instead of the named Escalator thread?
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Where I lived, there was about 1-1.5 metres of clay on the surface with bluestone underneath. Digging a trench in deep into the bluestone would've been horrendous. At least with the elevated solution, they'll only need to go down a little bit through the clay before they find hard rock to anchor the pylons.
Can anyone here elaborate on this?

By the way, four level crossings on the Upfield line was simply closed just over twenty years ago, these being Barkley, Pheonix and Tinning streets in Brunswick and Shorts road in North Coburg. The three south of Moreland station are still open to pedestrians.
Might the grade separation work around Moreland and Coburg make way for at least one more level crossing closure?
Myrtone
One of the reasons Melbourne's northern and western outskirts were developed much later than the eastern bayside and southeastern growth areas was the easier ground conditions (sand, silt, clay, soft rock) on the bayside and southeast to put in all the pipes and wires that make modern life bearable. In the north and west the geology is largely shaped by fairly recent volcanic events (read more here):


During the Pliocene (2-5 mya) and through into the Pleistocene (2 mya), there was substantial volcanicity, in two episodes. The first produced extensive sheets of basalt lava on the west side of Melbourne to form the Keilor and Werribee Plains. The second phase involved volcanoes to the north of Melbourne. These extruded flows that filled the valleys of the Moonee Ponds, Merri and Darebin creeks. Lava flows erupted from Hayes Hill near Mernda, flowed down the ancestral Merri Creek and Darebin Creek valleys into the Yarra Valley at Fairfield and down that valley onto the Yarra delta as far as the present site of Spencer Street bridge.
The Encyclopedia of Melbourne

I was told years ago that there were technological breakthroughs in the 1990s that made digging trenches for services in hard rock doable (without explosives) at a reasonable cost which is why the northern and western growth areas (which often have thin grassland soils overlying the Mt Macedon granites) only really began to take off in the 2000s.

Long story short, it's still expensive to dig big trenching in bluestone (but not impossible). Better value for money is available by elevating the rail corridor and digging down through the surface soil or soft rock only as far as you need to find a solid anchor on the hard rock below.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Over the weekend the track has (finally) been laid for the new stabling yard access at Kananook. Still not ballasted as I drove past this morning.

It's taken a long time because of changes to the footbridge and road bridge supports.

Most of the businesses except the Caravan place are now empty and most of the fences are gone.  The buildings can't be far from going as well.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Surprise surprise...the sun still rose this morning and all's well with the skyrail naysayers.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-than-a-year-on-has-sky-rail-turned-suburbs-into-ghettos-20190509-p51lqm.html

...mind you, it's a short step to having the druggies, graffitists and other low lifes milling around the back fence so vigilance is highly recommended.

Mike.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Would x31 please read the link that The Vinelander posted above.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Surprise surprise...the sun still rose this morning and all's well with the skyrail naysayers.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-than-a-year-on-has-sky-rail-turned-suburbs-into-ghettos-20190509-p51lqm.html

...mind you, it's a short step to having the druggies, graffitists and other low lifes milling around the back fence so vigilance is highly recommended.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I'm a big fan of linear parks, which is effectively what have been created under the skyrails. However, they do need to be looked after properly as they don't take long to become derelict and unattractive.

Who is responsible for the long term care of them? If it's the local council, then it must be realised that this is unsustainable as the attention will only last until something else gets built in the area (maybe an upgrade to a major shopping centre or oval, maybe a redevelopment of a key business area) and the skyrail is no longer the newest thing there.

Best way forward will probably be to have a management authority with a mix of state, council and local resident/business involvement, and a heavy share of the funding coming from the state as part of the public transport budget. If councils are forced to nominate councillors to the authority and forced to put in their share of the funding, then they can't walk away from it once it's no longer flavour of the month.
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
As I understand it, the ongoing management of the park was funded through the project itself. So presumably the long term management funds do the park have been calculated and will be distributed towards the local council each fiscal year? To be honest I don’t actually know what the funding mechanisms for park maintenance between the state and local governments is. I’m aware consolidated council revenue goes towards maintaining the parks and what/not, but not sure exactly what the deal is if the state government agrees to help pay for the maintenance of new parks.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

James you made your list a lot more complicated that It really needed to be by bending lines.

Where you could just list the Melbourne - Werribee, line than the Newport - Williamstown line and the Altona Junction - Laverton loop.
Nightfire

I should have made a table instead. Planning to update on this.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

preliminary works are underway at the Maroondah hwy at Lilydale, a Huge drilling machine was in place on the west side of the crossing as I was driving my coach there at around 5.00pm, plenty of hard hats and Vissie vest in attendance. Also appears to be something happening at the John St bridge, after a very quick glance.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Also looks like preliminary works are underway at Manchester Rd Mooroolbark.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The Lilydale line level crossings removals design/consultations probably be announced 12-18 months time.
  slowcoach Junior Train Controller

Do anyone have intel on the preferred method of removing Manchester Rd, Mooroolbark and Maroondah Highway, Lilydale level crossings?
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Do anyone have intel on the preferred method of removing Manchester Rd, Mooroolbark and Maroondah Highway, Lilydale level crossings?
slowcoach

Maroondah Hwy Lilydale is being planned as rail-over, with the station moving south of the highway, bus station etc to be in the block between current crossing and John St (current John St rail bridge will be raised).  Crossing over Maroondah kept for purpose of keeping the yard etc north of the highway (as per Mernda).

Don't know about Manchester Rd.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/stonnington-council-gives-10-000-war-chest-to-anti-sky-rail-activism-group
Professional NIMBYism at its absolute worst.

Sometimes I feel like we’ll end up like the US where no transport project goes ahead because the wealthy residents object to poor people being able to travel through their suburbs.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/stonnington-council-gives-10-000-war-chest-to-anti-sky-rail-activism-group
Professional NIMBYism at its absolute worst.

Sometimes I feel like we’ll end up like the US where no transport project goes ahead because the wealthy residents object to poor people being able to travel through their suburbs.
  penguin2233 Locomotive Driver

Location: Craigieburn, Melbourne VIC
Bruh these people need to stop. $10,000 can be used for a lot of more useful things, like helping homeless people get off the streets and into homes. This is just a massive waste of money as these people (and they probably know it themselves) are going to lose anyway.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/stonnington-council-gives-10-000-war-chest-to-anti-sky-rail-activism-group
Professional NIMBYism at its absolute worst.

Sometimes I feel like we’ll end up like the US where no transport project goes ahead because the wealthy residents object to poor people being able to travel through their suburbs.
potatoinmymouth

It won't stop the project from going ahead.

It's a Liberal electorate so no political fallout is possible...suck it up richies and go rattle your jewellery somewhere else.

Mike.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Bruh these people need to stop. $10,000 can be used for a lot of more useful things, like helping homeless people get off the streets and into homes. This is just a massive waste of money as these people (and they probably know it themselves) are going to lose anyway.
penguin2233
there Bourgeoisie, they should just suck it up, 'Boo whoo' my view is going to ruined by Commuters
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Strange, the Reservoir and Rosanna sites are also elevated rail and haven't seen a major protest. In fact, most people embraced the Mernda elevated rail.

Also, don't those people know they live right next to a multi-lane freeway which actually is the actual blight in the suburb. Also, rail trenches are not pretty either.

But if you been to Rossanna or the Kororoit creek one, the elevated rail actually looks good. Have these protestors even been to Sydney Chatswood? The best example of elevated rail incorporated well into development. A modern sleek elevated rail that fits right into the local community.

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