50 level crossings to be removed

 
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I hope they do it with provision for four tracks but I highly doubt it.

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  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Should this thread be split up by line?
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
That's what I said.

It helps maintain focus, as there are specific areas of interest within this thread.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
In most cases however, the usual two minute wait at the traffic lights is the only way that Victoria knows how to do it. Make it three or four minutes if you have to cross two streets. A footbridge these days, due to DDA requirements, means a monstrosity similar to that between Heatherdale and Ringwood next to the Coach (formerly Coach & Horses), which takes just as long to cross, if not longer, than an actual signalised crossing.
Heihachi_73

Would this have still been a problem, to a lesser extent, before disability discrimination legislation? Also, I think the problem could be reduced even today with some sort of lift.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I seem to recall bevans saying threads become impossible to split around the 80 page mark without killing the servers.

It might be a good idea to lock this and maybe start some grouped threads, though; we’re potentially only a third of the way through the program and already 80 pages deep and heavy on photos...
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
I'm always amazed at how quickly LXRA can get things done...
It's not even been a week since the temporary closure of Reservoir station and there are already 3, perhaps 4 of the platform sections in place over the top of the railway, making a tunnel as the existing line runs underneath. I think the aim is to complete construction in the station precinct then re-open it for use, while closing the crossing and completing the piers and elevated rail.
Then the embankments, realignment and away we go.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Regarding another immanent construction, a works base is being set up adjacent to the Toorak Rd crossing in order to commence early works. According to the latest community update, major works will be commencing in November: https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/toorak-road-kooyong-community-update-july-2019
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Regarding another immanent construction, a works base is being set up adjacent to the Toorak Rd crossing in order to commence early works. According to the latest community update, major works will be commencing in November: https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/toorak-road-kooyong-community-update-july-2019
jdekorte
> early works late 2019
> complete by mid-2021
> the local yokels have time to enjoy their lack of level crossing-ness and realise the NoSkyrailers are idiots or astroturfers or both

I have said it before and I'll say it again: this is the most perfectly calibrated pork-barrel infrastructure program of all time!
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I'm always amazed at how quickly LXRA can get things done...
It's not even been a week since the temporary closure of Reservoir station and there are already 3, perhaps 4 of the platform sections in place over the top of the railway, making a tunnel as the existing line runs underneath. I think the aim is to complete construction in the station precinct then re-open it for use, while closing the crossing and completing the piers and elevated rail.
Then the embankments, realignment and away we go.
LeroyW
Helps when the station is made up of big pieces that can be put together/made in one piece and then lifted into place.

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  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Yay more level crossing removals.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbzK0tkF_ts
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Although rail under is possible in that location, it is incredibly stupid and likely will be regretted, especially as there is no civil engineering reason against going rail-over in that location.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Frankston line appears to be opened up again after the Carrum diversion.  
I watched the steel train crawl through Frankston an hour or so ago.
  ngarner Junior Train Controller

Location: Seville
Yay more level crossing removals.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbzK0tkF_ts
True Believers
Lochiel Ave Mentone is a new one; so new it's not on the LXRA web site yet!
Taking Dan's 75 promised last year and adding extras like Lochiel Ave, then those on the Wallace-Bungaree loop to close with completion of the Ballarat RRL at the end of this year and then the five, or so, between Frankston and Baxter with the proposed electrification, we end up with a total of 91. Even discounting Baxter we still have 86 gone.
At this rate there could well be 100 removed by sometime around 2025

Neil
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Yay more level crossing removals.
Lochiel Ave Mentone is a new one; so new it's not on the LXRA web site yet!
Taking Dan's 75 promised last year and adding extras like Lochiel Ave, then those on the Wallace-Bungaree loop to close with completion of the Ballarat RRL at the end of this year and then the five, or so, between Frankston and Baxter with the proposed electrification, we end up with a total of 91. Even discounting Baxter we still have 86 gone.
At this rate there could well be 100 removed by sometime around 2025

Neil
ngarner
They are also removing the Barwon Heads Roads one as part of a road duplication project. And also the Waurn Ponds rail duplication includes another two grade separations.

Anyways I don't think the regional ones count as part of the LXRA program. By 2022 it could mean announcing more level crossing removals since a lot of the additional ones have been fast-tracked.

An additional 30 could finally remove all the remaining level crossings on the Werribee (5 left), Craigieburn (5 left), Belgrave/Lilydale (6 left), Pakenham (5 left), Sunbury (5 left) & Glen Waverly lines (4 left).

This would mean 8 metropolitan train lines with no level crossings. And therefore could run at higher frequencies during the peak without a major impact on the road network.

Obviously, the challenge is removing the many level crossings in the north (Upfield and Mernda lines), and the rest on the Frankston corridor, which still has plenty left.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Closing the Swanpool Ave crossing and replacing it by extending through Thames Prom will be a significant improvement (same as replacing the Station St and Eel Race crossings in Carrum by extending through McLeod Rd).

But as we've said ad nauseum, going rail-under here is nuts.  But this is because when they announced it they were spooked that they might lose the Sandbelt seats, so...

Maybe if they'd known how big their election win was going to be last year, they'd have just Skyrailed it and risked taking a hit in Mordialloc.  But now they won't want to go back on what they've promised.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
So, going back to the post I made back in February on page 71 of this thread, it looks like I was right, apart from Argyle.

I will always maintain that trenching through this area makes more sense than skyrail. The visual amenity is much more important when the retail precincts are linear and parallel to the tracks vs. perpendicular as found on the Dandenong corridor. Carrum is different; there is a river to contend with. So too Skye Road, where it is only car yards adjacent to the line.

Good job, LXRA.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

So, going back to the post I made back in February on page 71 of this thread, it looks like I was right, apart from Argyle.

I will always maintain that trenching through this area makes more sense than skyrail. The visual amenity is much more important when the retail precincts are linear and parallel to the tracks vs. perpendicular as found on the Dandenong corridor. Carrum is different; there is a river to contend with. So too Skye Road, where it is only car yards adjacent to the line.

Good job, LXRA.
DirtyBallast

Sure, you could argue it'll be better visually (well, except for the masses and masses of concrete), but the biggest issue with trenching here is that you're going to end up with a concrete bathtub, below sea level, 50m from the beach, in an area with groundwater flows between the former wetlands and the bay.  The engineering required to deal with that alone adds significant extra upkeep once it's built, and it's going to get worse with time.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I'm Honestly a tad disappointed that the entirety of The Old Carrum of being bulldozed. IIRC it was the only station on the network that was built in the 1940s. I'm surprised it didn't have some sort of architectural significance on it. Ah well the endless March of progress moves forward.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
So, going back to the post I made back in February on page 71 of this thread, it looks like I was right, apart from Argyle.

I will always maintain that trenching through this area makes more sense than skyrail. The visual amenity is much more important when the retail precincts are linear and parallel to the tracks vs. perpendicular as found on the Dandenong corridor. Carrum is different; there is a river to contend with. So too Skye Road, where it is only car yards adjacent to the line.

Good job, LXRA.

Sure, you could argue it'll be better visually (well, except for the masses and masses of concrete), but the biggest issue with trenching here is that you're going to end up with a concrete bathtub, below sea level, 50m from the beach, in an area with groundwater flows between the former wetlands and the bay.  The engineering required to deal with that alone adds significant extra upkeep once it's built, and it's going to get worse with time.
Adogs
You're clearly not aware of the massive amount of drainage upgrades made along Fraser Avenue (Edithvale) over the past year or so. I understand that these upgrades were necessary before trenching could occur, and not due to ordinary maintenance.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

So, going back to the post I made back in February on page 71 of this thread, it looks like I was right, apart from Argyle.

I will always maintain that trenching through this area makes more sense than skyrail. The visual amenity is much more important when the retail precincts are linear and parallel to the tracks vs. perpendicular as found on the Dandenong corridor. Carrum is different; there is a river to contend with. So too Skye Road, where it is only car yards adjacent to the line.

Good job, LXRA.

Sure, you could argue it'll be better visually (well, except for the masses and masses of concrete), but the biggest issue with trenching here is that you're going to end up with a concrete bathtub, below sea level, 50m from the beach, in an area with groundwater flows between the former wetlands and the bay.  The engineering required to deal with that alone adds significant extra upkeep once it's built, and it's going to get worse with time.
You're clearly not aware of the massive amount of drainage upgrades made along Fraser Avenue (Edithvale) over the past year or so. I understand that these upgrades were necessary before trenching could occur, and not due to ordinary maintenance.
DirtyBallast

As a local resident I am very much aware of the drainage works.  Putting the crossings underground is indeed geotechnically possible.  But "possible" doesn't mean it's a good idea.
  inxs Beginner

Trenching along that section of the Frankston line is the stupidest short-sighted concept ever.
Labor we're re-elected in Carrum quite easily even with a small group of anti-SkyRailers making Carrum skyrail an election issue, so I don't know whether they mis-read the situation when planning for the other sections.

They should've skyrailed all the way from Mordialloc creek St to Eel Race Rd. People would get used to it just like those that are already below rail level north of Aspendale.

It would've opened up all that ground level to new community opportunities such as parks, playgrounds, basketball courts, bike trail, improved bus stops and car parks, pop-up shops & market areas. It's a badly missed opportunity.

Now all we'll get is a half-arsed trench with 3 less crossings to the highway, I'd expect less carparking and a hope that it doesn't get flooded in the next 50 years.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Ah well it is now official Mooroolbark  and Sillydale to get SKYRAIL, about bloody time.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Of course with no scope for duplication between the two rebuilt stations... hopeless!
  712M Chief Commissioner

Of course with no scope for duplication between the two rebuilt stations... hopeless!
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/rail-bridges-preferred-for-mooroolbark-and-lilydale

Whoever bet on road-over being used at Lilydale: cough up, I want my money.

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