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      trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

    Do not get too xited it is just the Labor Gov blowing their trumpets,  Our beloved Danny Andrews the Permier of cancelling everything in sight because it is not worth the paper it is written on.  What a windbagged loser he  will /has turned out to be.  Already his version of the metro tunnel has fallen by the wayside permanent STOP.   No money/ unfunded......................well fancy that.   Everythiing will be OK.  DON"T WORRY B HAPPY LABOR WILL SAVE US............

    Oh by the way guess what, those 50 Level Crossings will be done in the next 2 terms of this Government......No Money no worries, just writed out that blank cheque from that bottomless CHASM.....................
    Posted: 15 Jan 2015 20:20

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      LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

    Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
    Please, tell us how you really feel trainbrain.

    Give the incoming State Government a little bit of time to sort things out. Daniel Andrews has only been in the top job for 42 days.
    Posted: 15 Jan 2015 22:55
      don_dunstan Minister for Railways

    Location: Adelaide proud
    I've encountered more than one person unhappy with Daniel Andrews election to the Office of Premier and I have to remind them that really oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them.

    Denis Napthine ran a campaign almost entirely centred on the delivery of the most expensive road project in Australia's history... and lost. Despite all the ardent one-sided barracking from the Herald-Sun he failed to convince the public to give them another term. If you want to get angry then get angry at a Liberal administration that changed leaders halfway through their first term and yet still couldn't turn it around. Completely out of touch with what the electorate wanted.
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 00:24
      trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

    Tell you how I really feel?  Projects that have been commenced and cancelled latest on second bridge crossing in Echuca that has been backed by local bodies, Vic Roads, councils and even Labor pollies. Cancelled earlier this week u guessed it Danny Andrews prelimainary works already underway.    Lib supporter,? I have no love of any pollies from anyside, just get on with the job and stop blaming predeccessors.

    Funds have been allocated by last Government to start removing at least six current level crossings, well get on with it, what has happened so far?  

    Nothing.

    Danny Andrew solution to East/West link.   A shambles of a system that is supposed to take 5000 trucks off the road and feed them into a bottleneck near Footscray. Terriffic, by the way fellas, I work in the heavy transport industry................

    I suppose they are new committees being set up to look into everything .again...............
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 07:27
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    If you want to get angry then get angry at a Liberal administration that changed leaders halfway through their first term and yet still couldn't turn it around. Completely out of touch with what the electorate wanted.
    don_dunstan

    Historical polling showed the Ted/Denis lead party (Vic Coalition) were never in front in the polling the entire tim they were in office.  Turn it around?  They were never there.
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 08:37
      freightgate Minister for Railways

    Location: Albury, New South Wales
    @trainbrain I do not believe the west gate offrMp is the right idea either.

    The east west link was a lot of money for little return. Why do you think it was viable and what is you see from your perspective as the benefits to your industry ?
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 09:13
      The Vinelander Minister for Railways

    Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

    Danny Andrew solution to East/West link.   A shambles of a system that is supposed to take 5000 trucks off the road and feed them into a bottleneck near Footscray. Terriffic, by the way fellas, I work in the heavy transport industry................

    I suppose they are new committees being set up to look into everything .again...............
    trainbrain

    Well Trainbrain, you won't have long to wait to find out whether the Westgate distributor works or not as it's a project that's about to start ASAP.

    IMO a project that takes most of the trucks off the overloaded Westgate bridge has to be a goer, and will serve far more people than a tiny bottle-neck up there on the Murray.

    BTW, if people weren't so damn lazy in Echuca/Moama a percentage of them would be riding bikes across the bridge, perhaps they already do; therefore alleviating some of the peak time traffic headaches that appear in your neck of the woods.

    Mike.
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 10:17
      trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

    I see you lot are a bunch of geniuses, lets see what happens, and oh by the way this Westgate Distributor as u all call it is at least two years away and is UNFUNDED. Not one spade is ready to turn the 1st Sod. and by the way Mike (Vinelander) you cannot peddle trucks accross Echuca brdge unless you want to invent something, have been going to Echuca for over 39 thirty years, and was needed way back then.   But I am sure you have answers and ready to go.  

    Time will tell the next state election is 46 months away. U know what will happen in that time...............Very little will have changed.


    Alastair.....................
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 11:06
      Plan B Junior Train Controller

    Just a comment away from politics here...

    I have noticed that a fenced area has been set up at the western end of the car park at Gardiner Station.  It contains works vehicles, barriers and various instruments of destruction & construction.  They seem to have started the process of moving underground utilities in readiness for the actual crossing removal starting later this year.  Some vegetation has gone - but there is more to go...
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 12:53
      Valvegear Dr Beeching

    Location: Norda Fittazroy
    I think that "train brain" is a good idea. It could do with training.
    Posted: 16 Jan 2015 16:13
      mickamious Junior Train Controller

    West-Gate distributor solves nothing, actually creates more issues!
    Melbourne Metro tunnel was underfunded and wAsnt going to be receiving federal funding over East-West Link.
    50 level crossing were promised over 8 years, impossible! People I speak to have even said its hard enough to complete 3 a year and that = 24.
    Level crossings only will improve safety not traffic Aswell and labors theory of being able to do them cheaper then the Librral government, well this is something I can't wait to see!!
    Posted: 18 Jan 2015 21:15
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    50 level crossing were promised over 8 years, impossible! People I speak to have even said its hard enough to complete 3 a year and that = 24.
    Level crossings only will improve safety not traffic Aswell
    Grosso
    Your talking about big ticket grade separation, that require Christmas holiday shutdowns to regrade the railway ?

    Some crossings on the list all the works would be roadwork related (diverting a road via a new overpass over a railway) not touching the railway at all, like what was done at Westall, Somerton, Berwick, Altona North, Deer Park, etc
    Posted: 18 Jan 2015 21:44
      mickamious Junior Train Controller

    Your talking about big ticket grade separation, that require Christmas holiday shutdowns to regrade the railway ?

    Some crossings on the list all the works would be roadwork related (diverting a road via a new overpass over a railway) not touching the railway at all, like what was done at Westall, Somerton, Berwick, Altona North, Deer Park, etc
    Nightfire

    Your looking at it wrong Nightfire.
    It takes 14-18 days of 24 hour shifts to dig (includin all relevant earthworks) the ground up and place new track then approximately 4-8 weeks to get the station up and running and then complied.

    If the work is done involving the railway, the railway is responsible for all the relative roadworks in conjunction with VicRoads.

    50 level crossing over 8 years, impossible, heed my words.
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 09:47
      The Vinelander Minister for Railways

    Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
    West-Gate distributor solves nothing, actually creates more issues!
    Grosso

    How so Question
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 12:52
      don_dunstan Minister for Railways

    Location: Adelaide proud
    I know this question has been asked before but has there been any order actually identified in how they'll go about them - or do we have to wait till the budget in May before they tell us? I haven't seen any formal announcement about it but I guess it's only been six weeks.

    With regards to Melbourne Metro, could they consider a ten year property-holder levy around the areas of the stations like the City Loop levy as a solution to funding?
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 13:19
      trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

    Your looking at it wrong Nightfire.
    It takes 14-18 days of 24 hour shifts to dig (includin all relevant earthworks) the ground up and place new track then approximately 4-8 weeks to get the station up and running and then complied.

    If the work is done involving the railway, the railway is responsible for all the relative roadworks in conjunction with VicRoads.

    50 level crossing over 8 years, impossible, heed my words.
    Grosso
    I agree with you Grosso , just  look back a couple of post, these Goons try to shoot you down in flames, a number of people on this Forum live in fairyland.............
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 16:20
      railblogger Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
    I expect they'll be doing several crossings at a time in order to meet this target?
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 17:07
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    Your looking at it wrong Nightfire.
    It takes 14-18 days of 24 hour shifts to dig (includin all relevant earthworks) the ground up and place new track then approximately 4-8 weeks to get the station up and running and then complied.
    Grosso

    Depends on how much funding comes available.

    If there Is plenty of coin and political will, what's stopping the likes of 10 projects been undertaken at the same time ?

    There are big ticket projects like Burke Road / Gardener Station, but there Is also low hanging fruit In the outer suburbs like the elimination of Abbotts Road at Dandenong South.

    Buckley Street Essendon will be an Interesting grade separation, as It would be unlikely the grade of the railway could be changed.
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 20:20
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    Buckley Street Essendon will be an Interesting grade separation, as It would be unlikely the grade of the railway could be changed.
    Nightfire
    They might have to build a higher bridge over Mt Alexander Rd, raise the station and go over Buckley St.
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 22:24
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    They might have to build a higher bridge over Mt Alexander Rd, raise the station and go over Buckley St.
    Gauntlet
    Sink Buckley Street scape, shops and all ?
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 22:29
      torrens5022 Junior Train Controller

    How many of these crossings are easy fixes?  Considering it's usually the more complex crossing are done first, left to late and become complex and the simpler fixes are overlooked.  So 6 to 7 a year over 8 years,  seems possible.  Every crossing removed is a positive.Smile
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 23:32
      Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

    Location:
    There are at least 15 crossings which can be done without replacing a station.
    I've edited retromelb's list to show which ones they are.

    HURSTBRIDGE LINE
    - Grange Rd ALPHINGTON
    RINGWOOD LINE
    - Blackburn Rd BLACKBURN
    PAKENHAM LINE
    - South Gippsland Hwy DANDENONG
    CRANBOURNE LINE
    - Abbotts Rd DANDENONG SOUTH
    DANDENONG LINE
    - Chandler Rd NOBLE PARK
    - Corrigan Rd NOBLE PARK
    - Centre Rd CLAYTON
    - Grange Rd CARNEGIE
    FRANKSTON LINE
    - Skye/Overton Rd FRANKSTON
    - Seaford Rd SEAFORD
    - Eel Race Rd SEAFORD
    - Station St BONBEACH
    ALTONA LINE
    - Kororoit Creek Rd W’TOWN NORTH
    SUNBURY LINE
    - Melton Hwy SYDENHAM
    UPFIELD LINE
    - Camp Rd CAMPBELLFIELD


    I'm still wondering about  Furlong Rd St Albans - is it the best candidate for the Lite Grade Sep that Metro proposed (although Ginifer is probably the station that most needs to be completely rebuilt)?
    Posted: 19 Jan 2015 23:58
      Flygon Train Controller

    Location: Australia
    Sunbury can't be done without just a road underpass?
    Posted: 20 Jan 2015 01:24
      SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!

    FRANKSTON LINE
    - Seaford Rd SEAFORD
    - Eel Race Rd SEAFORD
    - Station St BONBEACH
    Gauntlet
    Good luck with these. Little thing called a High Water table  ( proximity to the bay ) might impede or impact any ideas re going under in any easy fashion , let alone trying to fashion turning lanes etc.

    A solution to the determined need for so  many cars to need to cross tracks from Station St to The Nepean Hwy can be negated by building a two lane ( with bike paths ) bridge over the Patterson River connecting Station Streets. A lot of traffic doesnt actually desire zig zagging across the river but is forced to. You could build a bridge and not affect the trains one bit. Whilst at it someone might want to do something about some of the ridiculous waits at the booms. as well as sequencing of the road lights. Its about as idiotic as it can get sometimes.
    Posted: 20 Jan 2015 10:05
      potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

    Why is the talk of sinking the line at Bayswater??

    Mountain Hwy has room for building a bridge over existing railway.

    My guess is buying 10 properties and building 2 bridges is cheaper than sinking the line and building a whole new station.
    tom9876543
    The bad news is that bridges are well and truly out because the political backlash is massive from "unsightly" developments. Hence the railway should be buried instead.

    Take a look at every new grade separation in the last 5 years. All have involved going under rather than over because the NIMBY contingent don't want their vistas of the railway spoilt. Look at the RRL. Plenty of room for road bridges, but they put the whole bloody railway in a cutting instead to save the postcards.
    Posted: 20 Jan 2015 14:34

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