50 level crossings to be removed

 
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

There have been significant road-over-rail solutions built over the last few years in near-greenfield areas (ie before the NIMBY's arrive).

12 road-over-rail structures in the greenfield section of RRL (http://www.regionalraillink.vic.gov.au/about/maps) (I am unsure how many of these required special cuttings for rail, but as a greenfield development cuttings are relatively cheap)
Somerton Rd Roxborough Park (paid from the  Craigieburn electrification budget)
Palmers Rd Point Cook (paid from the Point Cook station fund)
Christies Rd Caroline Springs (paid from the RRL fund, counted above but not over RRL tracks)
George St Dandenong (paid from the Dandenong revitalisation fund)

It is a pity that RRL was unable to cover 2 other good road-over-rail solutions before the NIMBY's gain power
- Robinson's Road Deer Park
- Mt Derrimut Rd Deer Park

As part of RFR there were 4 grade separations on the Dunnstown Deviation on the Ballarat line
- McGuigins Rd Millbrook (rail over road)
- Spreadeagle Road (road over rail)
- Racecourse Rd (road over rail)
- Old Melbourne Rd (road over rail)

As part of Eastlink there were
- Eastlink over Dandenong line at Yarraman
- Eastlink under Ringwood line at Heatherdale

As part of Peninsular link there was
- Peninsular Link under Stony Point line

As part of the Craigieburn Bypass there was
- Hume Freeway over Seymour line

As part of the South Morang line there were
- Cooper St Epping (rail under road plus station rebuild)
- Pindari Rd (rail under road)
- Civic Drive (rail under road)

- Derrimut Rd Werribee (road under rail)
- Taylors Rd Keilor Plains (road under rail)
- Kings Rd Watergardens (road under rail)

The really expensive grade separations where rail was sunk below the road with a station rebuild were
- Middleborough Rd Labaunum  (rail-under-road)
- Springvale Rd Nunawading (rail-under-road)
- Springvale Rd Springvale (rail-under-road)
- Mitcham Rd Mitcham (rail-under-road)

So that's 20 road over rail solutions since the start of RFR.  It easily trumps the number of rail-under-road solutions.  Are there any I've missed ?

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  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Kororoit Creek Road on the Geelong line.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Depends on how much funding comes available.

If there Is plenty of coin and political will, what's stopping the likes of 10 projects been undertaken at the same time ?

There are big ticket projects like Burke Road / Gardener Station, but there Is also low hanging fruit In the outer suburbs like the elimination of Abbotts Road at Dandenong South.

Buckley Street Essendon will be an Interesting grade separation, as It would be unlikely the grade of the railway could be changed.
Nightfire

Hang on!!!!
Daniel Andrews stated that he could complete level crossing removals for $10-20 million less than the previous Liberal government but it now depends on how much funding comes available by your comments? You've got to be kidding me seriously with that remark.

The West Gate Distributor for #1 is not shovel ready, VERY FAR FROM IT! The amount of contamination (soil) for 1 will take over 12-18 months just to begin land rehabilitation but then even when the project is complete all they are doing is moving trucks off the west gate onto major suburban roads and even by the RACV reports which tend to be pretty good and accurate this will only create more congestion through the western suburbs aswell as more safety concerns for getting trucks to the docks.

3 crossing removals possibly MAYBE 4 is do-able but there a number of stations that are on the list are deemed 'premium' stations which will include MAJOR overhaul works and if Springvale Station was any example to go by, that took over 7 months to complete, yes the grade seperation works were done over 4-6 weeks but the overall station took 7 months in total and for every grade separation that is complete a total rail occupation on that line MUST be taken to complete all necessary works.

To complete 3-4 grade separations a year and to make it as cost-effective as possible and painless to commuters would be to line up 3 grade separations on the same railway line that follow one after the other and do all 3 or 4 in big hit, major works, yes but it's the only one to do works effectively if you actually think about it but i still hold great doubt that 50 crossings can be done over 8 years. Sorry.

I sense over budget also.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
To complete 3-4 grade separations a year and to make it as cost-effective as possible and painless to commuters would be to line up 3 grade separations on the same railway line that follow one after the other and do all 3 or 4 in big hit, major works, yes but it's the only one to do works effectively if you actually think about it but i still hold great doubt that 50 crossings can be done over 8 years. Sorry.
Grosso
It's never going to be painless to commuters, and there will always be those who complain (unreasonably?) about disruptions to service.  Bus replacements will be inevitable, and it's debatable whether it would be better to have a relatively short replacement service around a single crossing removal, or to have a much longer replacement service around multiple removals on the same line - depending also on where trains can terminate and cross over on that line.  The replacement bus service also forms part of the budget, and the longer the route, the more it will cost.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
To complete 3-4 grade separations a year and to make it as cost-effective as possible and painless to commuters would be to line up 3 grade separations on the same railway line that follow one after the other and do all 3 or 4 in big hit, major works, yes but it's the only one to do works effectively if you actually think about it but i still hold great doubt that 50 crossings can be done over 8 years. Sorry.
Grosso
Why limit it to one line? Surely there's no reason why you can't do 3 or 4 each on two separate lines?

I expect that those crossings that do not require a station rebuild will be quite cheap, and I do believe that there are a number those, so you could knock off 2 that require station rebuilds and 2 that don't, for instance.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Find the conractors with the capacity and expertise to do 7-8 year. If you do 2 seperate lines at once your going to causing major delays across the network and that won't go down well soth the public.

People I've spoken to, consultants and other rail contractors have said it just can't be done, 6-7 per year as there enough problems in trying to achieve 3-4 a year.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Hang on!!!!
Daniel Andrews stated that he could complete level crossing removals for $10-20 million less than the previous Liberal government but it now depends on how much funding comes available by your comments? You've got to be kidding me seriously with that remark.
Grosso
The amount of funding that Is available In the budget will determine how many projects get underway at one time.

It's like your thinking one contractor will have a leading hand In every project ? (Competition Is so needed, to clamp down on rorting)

Money get put on the table, contractors will facilitate In dotting all their I's and crossing their t's (Construction Is very quiet at the moment) Their Is a lot of time for Industry adjustment.

The Governments list of 50 crossings, would likely be subject to change, with very difficult expensive crossings getting deferred and new easy cheap ones making It on the list (Say crossing out Little River way getting grade separated, just to get easy cheap runs on the board)
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
What are the limiting factors for large-scale grade separation rollouts then? Money, critical personnel, time?
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

What are the limiting factors for large-scale grade separation rollouts then? Money, critical personnel, time?
LancedDendrite
Andrews said on 774 this day with Jon Faine that the 50 crossings will be grade separated over  8 years .

One can excecute  adjacent crossings quickly with  holiday shut downs .
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I'm referring to @Grosso's statement to the contrary:
Find the contractors with the capacity and expertise to do 7-8 year. If you do 2 separate lines at once you're going to cause major delays across the network and that won't go down well with the public. People I've spoken to, consultants and other rail contractors have said it just can't be done, 6-7 per year as there are enough problems in trying to achieve 3-4 a year.
Grosso
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
As part of the Craigieburn Bypass there was

- Hume Freeway over Seymour line
mm42


The road over rail grade separation at Craigieburn took place well before the Craigieburn bypass was even thought of, and was part of the Hume Highway for many years. It replaced the old manually operated gates adjacent to Craigieburn station. The (now) Hume Freeway has a rail over road crossing generally north of Craigieburn
  ngrundy Station Staff

While riding to work this morning, I noticed that a set of containerised site offices had been put in place on the down side of the Bell Station / Bell St crossing.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

While riding to work this morning, I noticed that a set of containerised site offices had been put in place on the down side of the Bell Station / Bell St crossing.
ngrundy

I wouldn't suspect that being in relation to the Bell St Crossing as i don't think the works have been tendered out just yet.
I know Burke Road is commencing, but then again, so does everyone, that grade separation is going to be huge due to the amount other works required such as the tram tracks etc.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I wouldn't suspect that being in relation to the Bell St Crossing as i don't think the works have been tendered out just yet.
Grosso
Governments don't always follow the rules !

Who knows what under the table deals the Governments Is making with the builders who were contracted to build EW Link, to avoid paying a large wod of cash for nothing !
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Governments don't always follow the rules !

Who knows what under the table deals the Governments Is making with the builders who were contracted to build EW Link, to avoid paying a large wod of cash for nothing !
Nightfire

Well the only way to make that 'legal' would be for the premier to of signed a new contract agreement that shifts the same monetary value of EWL onto othe project that are near or equal to other projects.. Needs to be official documentation otherwise it's illegal practice as it can be deemed as inside trading.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Bell St Preston wouldn't be getting that higher priority. The current projects are Burke Rd, Gardiner and Main Rd St Albans. One thing you can rest assured, their will be no work starting without some sort of announcement. Governments of all persuasions love an announcement.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I wonder why they're installing new shelters on the island platforms at Bentleigh and Mckinnon.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I wonder why they're installing new shelters on the island platforms at Bentleigh and Mckinnon.
Gauntlet
That sounds like it's part of the Bayside Rail Project.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

I wonder why they're installing new shelters on the island platforms at Bentleigh and Mckinnon.
Gauntlet

That would be part of a Shelters Project to help make the station more appealing to people with special needs as they have a shelter at the up/down end of platforms so they can wait under cover from the sun/rain.
Separate to Bayside Rail Project
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Judging by their footprints I think the shelters which are under construction at Bentleigh and Mckinnon will be like the new one at Glenhuntly.
They're too big and centrally located to be designed specifically for people with wheelchairs.
I'm just concerned that the stations will be demolished when the level crossings get eliminated.

I has a look at the Cheltenhan Station and the Charman Road level crossing yesterday.
I noticed that area near the crossing is almost two meters higher than the rest of the road so I'm wondering, if they decide to run the road underneath the railway from what point will Charman Road have to start heading down from so that traffic can make it under the railway line?
  ngrundy Station Staff

Bell St Preston wouldn't be getting that higher priority. The current projects are Burke Rd, Gardiner and Main Rd St Albans. One thing you can rest assured, their will be no work starting without some sort of announcement. Governments of all persuasions love an announcement.
Gman_86

Was stopped at the crossing this morning, I'd say you are correct.  Additional bunting is up around the sheds now and they fence them so they can access the property on the Plenty road side of the intersection.
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller


...Daniel Andrews stated that he could complete level crossing removals for $10-20 million less than the previous Liberal government...
Grosso
Please post a reference to this comment. I can't recall him saying that. I can recall Mr Mulder saying in 2010 that the Liberals could build stations cheaper than Labor, hence the promise of the $13 million Southland Station.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Please post a reference to this comment. I can't recall him saying that. I can recall Mr Mulder saying in 2010 that the Liberals could build stations cheaper than Labor, hence the promise of the $13 million Southland Station.
TedHanson
Really..?
Stations not Level Crossings.
Southland never got built because there we're design flaws and there still are with where they actually want to situate the new station.
I will find that comment and jam that comment up your for the way you went about bringing up Southland station for some unknown fkn reason!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
On the ABC News this evening.  $6b to remove the levels crossings over 8 years.  Well worth the money.  Removing dangerous crossings and improving rail and road safety.
  mickamious Junior Train Controller

Also announced,

Labor wants the Liberals to agree to there plans to lease the Port of Melbourne?! Lol.... Please, this has underfunded project written all over it.. Labor have promised, promised and promised but I don't think they actually got there coatings done right... Time will tell.. Oh mind you itll be the Liberals fault of course If he doesn't complete his 50.

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