Melbourne Metro Rail Project Revived

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 16 Feb 2015 17:54
  doyle Chief Train Controller

I heard on channel 9 news yesterday Daniel Andrews saying that the trams are to be re routed along Elizabeth Street

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I heard on channel 9 news yesterday Daniel Andrews saying that the trams are to be re routed along Elizabeth Street
doyle
Tunnel will diverge away from Princes Bridge to the East pass around 2 m below Yarra River bed then over top of Burnley and  Domain road tunnels then swing back West towards Domain Interchange.  Obviously does not go deeper past Yarra river or it will meet city link road tunnels.

Tram wise Swanston St trams will be diverted down Elizabeth Street with new turnouts at  Flinders St/Elizabeth St in both directions which are long overdue anyway .  Also potentially more St Kilda Rd trams could enter City via Domain and William Street .
  bramt Deputy Commissioner

Curves at Flinders/Elizabeth, what about Flinders/St Kilda Rd?

Anyone notice the Flexity Swift in Yarra Trams livery in the latest promo vid?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=49&v=fTmiXH1tsOA

I also like how they put their logo over the LED sign in their 3D model of Young and Jackson's Smile
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
I think it's much more likely they will go down Spring or Spencer Sts, as to send them down Elizabeth would require a new junction to be constructed.
railblogger
That is correct, but that junction will be adding a redundancy in network for future use too.  And may also extend the Elizabeth St trams up to Domain.  (As not sure terminating them at Flinders will do well for congestion).
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
Still time for the next LNP Government to cancel the contract with no compensation!!!!
Donald
I also heard (not directly) that the Libs actually support Melb Metro now!  (Wish they would make up their bloody mind!)

Some people are asking where the money is coming from.  Well, with the interest rates so low, and the state having a stable AAA rating, now is the best time to borrow to build infrastructure like this that will have great returns.

Andrews has his head screwed on, and is actually getting on with doing things for the state.  Finally we have a Premier who is getting on with things, and actually keeping his promises!

Hopefully we have the announcements regarding Mernda Rail soon Smile

Oh and another thing I noticed regarding the video about MMRT, is they mention electrification of existing lines.  Melton? Reinstate Warragul? who knows!
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
They want to electrify to Melton, as they have stated in the 2012 PTV Network Development Plan.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Oh and another thing I noticed regarding the video about MMRT, is they mention electrification of existing lines.  Melton? Reinstate Warragul? who knows!
topher1976

Electrification to Greater Geelong Is yet to be justified, so defiantly no to re-electrification to Warragul.

Power costs would be to great for 1500 volt DC system (Traralgon, Sale and Bairnsdale passenger trains would receive no benefit ! running cost wise)  

A 25 000 volt AC electrification system may one day serve V/Line's busy lines, but would probably be only via Regional Rail Link.
  toholio Station Master

I also heard (not directly) that the Libs actually support Melb Metro now!  (Wish they would make up their bloody mind!)
topher1976
The state Liberal party were always in favour of it. They went to the 2010 election saying they'd build it. The only reason they backflipped is Tony Abbott said he'll only fund things the federal government has funded before (i.e. he will only ever give yesterday's answers regardless of tomorrow's questions).

There was actually a period where the Victorian Libs kept getting a smack for suggesting Abbott wasn't totally stuck in the past: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-01/opposition-leader-abbott-has-27softened27-positoin-on-urban-r/4858574
  topher1976 Train Controller

Location: Mill Park, Vic
The state Liberal party were always in favour of it. They went to the 2010 election saying they'd build it. The only reason they backflipped is Tony Abbott said he'll only fund things the federal government has funded before (i.e. he will only ever give yesterday's answers regardless of tomorrow's questions).

There was actually a period where the Victorian Libs kept getting a smack for suggesting Abbott wasn't totally stuck in the past: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-01/opposition-leader-abbott-has-27softened27-positoin-on-urban-r/4858574
toholio
But they went to 2014 election with a rail link that bypassed FSS completely.. that is more what I was getting at.  The Libs never support rail, and any announcements they make are all pie in the sky, look at promises they went to 2010 election with, including Doncaster, Rowville and Avalon.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
What will the tunnel dimensions be, same as Sydney?

It would also be a good idea to incorperate platform screen doors at all the new underground stations, but the artists inpressions don't show these.
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Why? To satisfy your foamy double deck fantasies?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Read the schematics of the 3-car and 6-car Comeng, Siemens and X'Trapolis trains and then come back with the platform screen doors. As in, the odds of the city loop gaining those useless things is the odds of Australia adopting Mandarin Chinese as its national language.

Get our first-world public transport problems out the way first:

* The City Loop is slowly crumbling and otherwise falling apart, not to mention Melbourne Central is possibly the worst underground station on the southern hemisphere. Mitcham comes a close second, as it takes around a minute to get from Mitcham Rd to the platforms despite the station itself, including a set of ramps leading to the platforms, being right at the edge of Mitcham Rd, blocked off by nothing more than a wire fence.
* The rail network is being slowly converted to non-gauge-convertible broad gauge concrete sleepers at a considerable cost, instead of progressively converting each line to standard gauge.
* As mentioned above, we still have specific train types stuck on specific lines, something which could be fixed in a heartbeat yet no-one can be bothered.
* Our classic W (and even Z) class trams are decrepit and being withdrawn at an alarming rate while the poster child Route 96 gets all the new trams (plus the Bumblebees, plus the D2s as well) while lesser tram routes/depots miss out again and again (Glenhuntly, Malvern, Essendon to name a few - an A class can hardly be considered an upgrade when it's replacing a clapped out Z1 since it's actually smaller; those platform stops all along the 70 and 75 are still a complete waste of time too since Camberwell has a 100% high floor fleet consisting entirely of A and B classes whilst D1s are wasted going at walking pace on the 72 since the timetable still seems to be designed around W classes, not to mention platform stops are next to nonexistent on the 72, or at least the Camberwell end). W classes should be green and cream and look spotless, not maroon with a dark roof with months worth of carbon deposits sprayed all over them like an unmodified Hitachi centre motor.
* The suburban bus network is a complete shambles with services running at any rate between 5 and 120+ minutes on any given day that may or may not include Saturday or Sunday and in any given direction but direct or even taking different directions but keeping the same route number (e.g. 737 going via Norton/Jesmond Rds instead of direct via Dorset Rd). Trains don't have Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays off or only run during AM and PM peak or run hourly with a 6:03PM finish, so why do suburban route buses? Even 9PM is ridiculous when trains and trams are running until 11PM-1AM.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I'm aware of the schematics of trains with varying door arrangements, but I'm confident that platform screen doors can be designed to accomodate those variations, anyone whose followed the link I gave will see why. Yes, Melbourne Central does need an upgrade, and I hope platform dynamic doors are part of it.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
What will the tunnel dimensions be, same as Sydney?

It would also be a good idea to incorperate platform screen doors at all the new underground stations, but the artists inpressions don't show these.
Myrtone
Supposedly all stations will be designed for nine-car operation (which really negates the need to accommodate for future double-deck operation); I haven't seen any reference to platform screens and I'm not sure that with a mixture of rolling-stock and different dimensions/door placement that it will work.
  Flygon Train Controller

Location: Australia
That's something that bugs me, incidentally. Why Nine cars? Why not plan for Twelve in future? It'd be easier to split sets into Six cars for the loop trains, at the very least.

I can see why it would be an oversized option in the short term, but what's the harm in accounting for Twelve car sets for the future? Especially with underground stations.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The state Liberal party were always in favour of it. They went to the 2010 election saying they'd build it. The only reason they backflipped is Tony Abbott said he'll only fund things the federal government has funded before (i.e. he will only ever give yesterday's answers regardless of tomorrow's questions).

There was actually a period where the Victorian Libs kept getting a smack for suggesting Abbott wasn't totally stuck in the past: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-01/opposition-leader-abbott-has-27softened27-positoin-on-urban-r/4858574
toholio
ALP were also at one stage in favor of the E-W tunnel.

In NSW had the then new ALP Premier KK being in favour of the Epping to Parramatta rail link, she could have taken almost the entire $2B cost of building it from the feds when offered by Gillard. The public and numerous reports how suggested the NWRL was the better route.

So swings and round abouts depending various usually political factors, reality is the MMRL has alot of public support, it will happen, they will borrow the money even though it will never ever pay its way like most commuter rail. The cost is big, but the construction time frame is also long so perhaps not that much actually needs to be borrowed and the rest can be squeezed out of the budget.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

It is a new generation suburban train that will be used exclusively on the  Sunbury/Melton , Metro Tunnel, Dandenong, Pakenham, Cranbourne corridors .  

Nine car sets have been mooted, but  6 car sets initially are likely  .  So one can expect that the new underground stations will be built for 6 cars at opening but the main structure  and tunnels allowing for  eventual operation of 9 car consists.

With a dedicated train fleet platform screen doors are a possibility, it becomes a question of  safety, cost and does it speed loading  vs the lower cost of just marking the platforms where the doors will pull up .
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
That's something that bugs me, incidentally. Why Nine cars? Why not plan for Twelve in future? It'd be easier to split sets into Six cars for the loop trains, at the very least.
Flygon
Why not 18 cars!?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I'm not sure that 9 cars will be necessary if they incorporate modern signalling on the route. Longer or double-deck rolling-stock is not the answer; what's required are more frequent trains at the times they are needed. Headways should be 3 minutes at peak times - even with a conventional 6-car set up that should be enough to move tens of thousands of passengers an hour in either direction.

It would be good if eventually the line connects to the airport so you could have through-running to Dandenong. A fast rail connection to the other side of Melbourne would hopefully eliminate the need for a Gippsland airport as proposed under Napthine.
  toholio Station Master

Saw this pop up today: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/federal-government-opens-door-to-funding-melbourne-metro-rail-tunnel-20150614-ghnm61.html

The commonwealth has opened the door to funding the Melbourne Metro Rail in an apparent thawing after months of hostility.

Federal Infrastructure Minister Warren Truss said he expected his government would be approached to fund one of the state government's key infrastructure projects, an $11 billion rail tunnel connecting north and south suburban lines through a second CBD subway.

"We will probably receive approaches in relation to that project," he said. "If we receive those approaches then we will have them assessed by Infrastructure Australia and make a decision."
Benjamin Preiss for The Age
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Is the a chance the two CBD underground stations could be built with the "Spanish Soultion" platform arrangement ?

Greatly Improving passenger flow.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Is the a chance the two CBD underground stations could be built with the "Spanish Soultion" platform arrangement ?

Greatly Improving passenger flow.
Nightfire

What is the 'Spanish Soultion' and what does soultion mean Question
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
According to Wikipedia the Spanish Solution is platforms on both sides of the track. This is generally used for adding capacity or controlling traffic flow.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Spanish Solution, if i'm not mistaken is the practise of having a platform on both sides of the train, one side for boarding, one side for alighting. Would be suitable for stations likely to get very high patronage, but also adds to the cost of construction, as more space is required, as well as more lifts, more escalators etc.
  Chidda Bang Locomotive Driver

Location: Banned
:idea:They might use 9car comengs on new tunnel before next gen trains come awesome

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