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    Topic moved from News by bevans on 13 Jan 2016 16:51
      falconea Station Master

    The viaduct structure is finished.

    The last span in the Up viaduct has been placed by the straddle crane - might have been this morning, but was probably over the last few days. Today the straddle crane was at Hughesdale and picked up the ruler and carried it back to Murrumbeena.

    That will be the last time it moves over the viaduct; both it and the gantry cranes will now be dismantled.
    historian
    It was completed overnight Wednesday/Thursday.

    The ruler is supposed to be disassembled at Hughesdale. The big part that sticks out on top is already gone and the rest of it is sitting on the viaduct outside my front door. Smile

    (I just checked!)

    Audrey
    Posted: 30 Mar 2018 07:19

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      lkernan Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Melbourne
    Went past Centre Road Clayton today and it appears the crossing is now gone.
    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 13:12
      ARodH Chief Train Controller

    Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
    Went past Centre Road Clayton today and it appears the crossing is now gone.
    lkernan
    Drove past tonight & observed that all the ground level overhead's gone & spotted a section of the ruler on a truck heading towards Dandenong or Eastlink.
    Posted: 05 Apr 2018 22:57
      drunkill Junior Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    The canopy is going up at Carnegie, two sections in place as of lunchtime today.

    Posted: 12 Apr 2018 22:44
      skitz Chief Commissioner

    Related to skyrail and the lack of additional capacity by additional tracks, has there been any discussion that this decision has all but killed off heavy rail to Rowville?

    Sighting that the lack of capacity on the Dandenong corridor was an excuse in the past to not build heavy rail.
    Posted: 13 Apr 2018 07:29

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      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    Related to skyrail and the lack of additional capacity by additional tracks, has there been any discussion that this decision has all but killed off heavy rail to Roseville?

    Sighting that the lack of capacity on the Dandenong corridor was an excuse in the past to not build heavy rail.
    skitz
    Roseville? That's already got heavy rail, on Sydney's North shore line. I suspect you mean Rowville.
    Posted: 13 Apr 2018 09:44
      skitz Chief Commissioner

    Related to skyrail and the lack of additional capacity by additional tracks, has there been any discussion that this decision has all but killed off heavy rail to Roseville?

    Sighting that the lack of capacity on the Dandenong corridor was an excuse in the past to not build heavy rail.
    Roseville? That's already got heavy rail, on Sydney's North shore line. I suspect you mean Rowville.
    duttonbay
    All fixed, thanks
    Posted: 13 Apr 2018 14:35
      falconea Station Master

    Quick Murrumbeena update: The carrier is gone (but the wheel assemblies are still visible in the staging area), the gantry cranes are both gone and the towers used to disassemble the gantry cranes are also gone!

    It took forever to get all of these installed so it's good to see that they were able to go away so quickly.

    Work on the station is progressing - looks like most of the framework is now up for the platform shelter and much of the station shell is now up.

    At Hughesdale the platform is now installed between the viaducts on which they will build the station.
    Posted: 13 Apr 2018 15:16
      historian Deputy Commissioner

    Inspected the new section yesterday. Pretty much identical to the first section, but I did see the Minister and the media scrum at Clayton. My observation was that it seemed noiser, though perhaps that's because it was the first day. Clayton station seemed less finished than Noble Park when it opened.

    On the way back I drove past the Caulfield - Oakleigh section. The side first panels of the overall roof at Carnegie have been erected. At Murrumbeena the structure of the overall roof is complete. At Hughesdale they are still constructing the platform. I didn't see any overhead structures up yet.
    Posted: 17 Apr 2018 22:58
      historian Deputy Commissioner

    The anti Skyrail rhetoric is still around. This is a very concentrated spray in domain.com.au - clearly the author thinks that the Skyrail is the defining characteristic of Murrumbeena. Usually articles like this are puff pieces designed to promote the suburb; I've never seen any that mention anything negative before, let alone the concentrated negative tone dominating this piece.

    https://www.domain.com.au/news/murrumbeena-sky-rail-changes-its-look-and-feel-despite-its-familyfriendly-open-nature-20180417-h0yu2l

    I wonder where the author lives? And it's interesting that this article appeared a couple of days after the Clayton skyrail opening to essential universal acclaim. The Age's report on the opening had to really scrounge to find an even mildly negative comment. It's also interesting that the photo chosen to accompany the article does *not* show the Skyrail, despite the article being essentially about how ugly it is. They chose to use a old photo of the level crossing.
    Posted: 18 Apr 2018 08:05

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      davesvline Chief Commissioner

    Location: 1983-1998
    Good point re Murrumbeena and the article Historian.

    Its when you read comments like that, its almost a pity the opposite wasn't done by digging it up and ruining all the local business in the process. That really annoys me when clearly the shopping strip thrives at the station vicinity mostly due to the fact there's a station there (and a lot are on most lines).
    I think they're just looking at how the place copes with change now, however what was their plan, inaction?

    Just goes to show, you cant and wont please everyone, but they could have highlighted more gratitude for making the effort to improve the situation.

    Regards
    Posted: 18 Apr 2018 10:31

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      davesvline Chief Commissioner

    Location: 1983-1998
    Perhaps a follow up article in 6 months would be a more accurate reflection when the finish offs are done, and the area amenity tidied somewhat and people have become more used to the change??

    Then well have a more accurate idea.

    Regards
    Posted: 18 Apr 2018 10:38
      slowcoach Junior Train Controller
    Posted: 27 Apr 2018 17:22
      ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne, Victoria
    Hey guys,

    Just had a look at the Dandenong group specifically from Oakleigh - Caulfield on Nearmaps. Obviously I'm no expert, but it appears to me that the south-side of the line would be better suited for proptery acquisition, when track amplification to Dandenong becomes necessary (arguably it already is)... I know the state government ran a voluntary acquisition program to individuals that wanted to sell. Is there some way we can find out which properties they acquired?

    Regards,
    ELP
    Posted: 16 May 2018 11:57
      AJW Chief Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne
    Property acquisitions for skyrail had a "non-disclosure" agreement in the settlement.  I think they did it to keep it out of the media.

    On the Oakleigh to Caulfield work:
    The skyrail has new overhead and signals installed.
    All old overhead was removed by Wednesday, most track removed yesterday and they have been removing the old ballast and sleepers.  In some areas they have dug deeply - I guess to improve foundations and drainage.
    Oakleigh station has heaps of concrete sleeper stockpiled and the platform track is full of the long lengths of new rails.
    The teams are working around the clock.
    Posted: 01 Jun 2018 10:30
      thekingoffoxes Chief Train Controller

    Checked out the works at Oakleigh last Friday.

    Not sure if they are moving where the third track connects or if the whole section needed to be replaced..
    Looks like the down end has been rationalised as well.



    https://youtu.be/hjA23Q-wU7c
    Posted: 05 Jun 2018 20:20

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      kitchgp Chief Commissioner

    A VicSig update shows Oakleigh as having the Down line through Platform 3 and the Up line through Platform 2. There are trailing crossovers either side. Nothing else.
    Posted: 05 Jun 2018 20:39

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      duttonbay Minister for Railways

    A VicSig update shows Oakleigh as having the Down line through Platform 3 and the Up line through Platform 2. There are trailing crossovers either side. Nothing else.
    kitchgp
    Yes, it will become a through station with just the two platform faces. There will be access to platform 2 (the up line on the island) will be directly from Haughton Road, rather than (or as well as?) the subway.

    Nice video [color=#333333][size=4][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI, "Segoe UI", Segoe, "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]thekingoffoxes[/font][/size][/color] - I enjoyed it.
    Posted: 05 Jun 2018 21:02
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    I question why there Is still 3 pedestrian level crossings reaming between Hughesdale and Westall ?

    Pedestrian crossings should of been quick and easy to remove during the total shutdown of the section of line (using a precast concrete culvert underpass)
    Posted: 05 Jun 2018 21:56
      railblogger Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
    I question why there Is still 3 pedestrian level crossings reaming between Hughesdale and Westall ?

    Pedestrian crossings should of been quick and easy to remove during the total shutdown of the section of line (using a precast concrete culvert underpass)
    Nightfire
    Probably didn't want to spend the money.

    But yes they should have been removed, however I think an overpass would have been cheaper.
    Posted: 05 Jun 2018 23:47
      Myrtone Chief Commissioner

    Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
    Before train frequencies are to be increased, those at grade pedestrian crossings need to go too.
    Posted: 06 Jun 2018 05:32
      John.Z Assistant Commissioner

    Before train frequencies are to be increased, those at grade pedestrian crossings need to go too.
    Myrtone
    You keep bringing this up, but it's false.

    Road Level Crossings restrict trains because if the gates were down all the time, no cars would be able to get through. This concern does not apply to pedestrian level crossings, so are not a hindrance to increasing frequency.

    OTOH, before driverless operation can take place, those pedestrian level crossings will need to be removed.
    Posted: 06 Jun 2018 12:00
      Myrtone Chief Commissioner

    Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
    Road Level Crossings restrict trains because if the gates were down all the time, no cars would be able to get through. This concern does not apply to pedestrian level crossings, so are not a hindrance to increasing frequency.
    John.Z
    If the pedestrian gates were closed all the time, people would not be able to walk across.
    Posted: 06 Jun 2018 13:48
      potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

    Road Level Crossings restrict trains because if the gates were down all the time, no cars would be able to get through. This concern does not apply to pedestrian level crossings, so are not a hindrance to increasing frequency.
    If the pedestrian gates were closed all the time, people would not be able to walk across.
    Myrtone
    Mind you, even when the pedestrian gates are open, cars cannot get through.
    Posted: 06 Jun 2018 15:54
      Nightfire Minister for Railways

    Location: Gippsland
    Road Level Crossings restrict trains because if the gates were down all the time, no cars would be able to get through. This concern does not apply to pedestrian level crossings, so are not a hindrance to increasing frequency.
    If the pedestrian gates were closed all the time, people would not be able to walk across.
    Myrtone
    Do you think the Government or Metro would care !

    If people can't get across, they would just have to take another path.

    Though some people may take It on themselves to take silly risks to get a cross the tracks.

    Getting rid of the pedestrian crossings would be the best possible solution.
    Posted: 06 Jun 2018 19:23

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