Z Car update

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Depending on which way the N car replacement goes over the next 4 years or so will have a big bearing on the N Class future...assuming the re-election of the present state government.

If the Andrews government goes with the cheaper option, we may see new pax cars to replace the N cars or if the government wants to accelerate the regional services timings and replace the loco hauled sets entirely, it may well go with DMU's...similar to VLocity's perhaps.

If they go with a DMU replacement of loco hauled we will likely see a big investment in LX protection...bells and booms at many crossings for the higher operating speeds and a concrete sleeper, heavier rail and signalling upgrade to see an increase in service frequency due to increased patronage which will come with the introduction of new rolling stock.

The elimination of loco hauled and the many rough starts/stops due to many drivers who don't know stretch braking, my gripe in particular on the UP Swan Hill won't be missed by me currently sitting in the ACN.

DMU's definitely ride much smoother overall than loco hauled.

In the future...assuming Victoria gets more freight back on the rails...N Class loco's may get a second lease of life in that arena.

Mike.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Depending on which way the N car replacement goes over the next 4 years or so will have a big bearing on the N Class future...assuming the re-election of the present state government.

If the Andrews government goes with the cheaper option, we may see new pax cars to replace the N cars or if the government wants to accelerate the regional services timings and replace the loco hauled sets entirely, it may well go with DMU's...similar to VLocity's perhaps.

If they go with a DMU replacement of loco hauled we will likely see a big investment in LX protection...bells and booms at many crossings for the higher operating speeds and a concrete sleeper, heavier rail and signalling upgrade to see an increase in service frequency due to increased patronage which will come with the introduction of new rolling stock.

The elimination of loco hauled and the many rough starts/stops due to many drivers who don't know stretch braking, my gripe in particular on the UP Swan Hill won't be missed by me currently sitting in the ACN.

DMU's definitely ride much smoother overall than loco hauled.

In the future...assuming Victoria gets more freight back on the rails...N Class loco's may get a second lease of life in that arena.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"


Because of the lx protection issues beyond the Inter urban area and  mass of a heavier loco leading the train the best option in future for V Line longer distance passenger services to Warrnambool, Swan Hill, ASlbury & Bairnsdale is a new generation push/pull type 5 car train with a loco on each end capable of 160kmh on Class 1 track within Inter urban area, and 130kmh on Class 2 track beyond with slective improved lx protection .
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Depending on which way the N car replacement goes over the next 4 years or so will have a big bearing on the N Class future...assuming the re-election of the present state government.

If the Andrews government goes with the cheaper option, we may see new pax cars to replace the N cars or if the government wants to accelerate the regional services timings and replace the loco hauled sets entirely, it may well go with DMU's...similar to VLocity's perhaps.

If they go with a DMU replacement of loco hauled we will likely see a big investment in LX protection...bells and booms at many crossings for the higher operating speeds and a concrete sleeper, heavier rail and signalling upgrade to see an increase in service frequency due to increased patronage which will come with the introduction of new rolling stock.

The elimination of loco hauled and the many rough starts/stops due to many drivers who don't know stretch braking, my gripe in particular on the UP Swan Hill won't be missed by me currently sitting in the ACN.

DMU's definitely ride much smoother overall than loco hauled.

In the future...assuming Victoria gets more freight back on the rails...N Class loco's may get a second lease of life in that arena.

Mike.


Because of the lx protection issues beyond the Inter urban area and  mass of a heavier loco leading the train the best option in future for V Line longer distance passenger services to Warrnambool, Swan Hill, ASlbury & Bairnsdale is a new generation push/pull type 5 car train with a loco on each end capable of 160kmh on Class 1 track within Inter urban area, and 130kmh on Class 2 track beyond with slective improved lx protection .
kuldalai
I would agree with this idea. Woodford a while back suggested two Vossloh type 68's could do this. I suggest the slightly lighter 3100hp versions could be used here for a push pull 6 car set. One loco alone can still pull or push the train if the other fails. Plus both locos can supply HEP. So plenty of back up to stop all these silly cancelations. BUT as Woodford so accurately calculated for us (thanks Woodford) the two locos could enable a very efficient performance on all the non V Locity lines. Hill climbing will not be a problem either when you have upwards of 6000hp moving the train. Eg. Climbing to Kilmore gap and Heathcote Junction etc..
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

As a further comment to what I said earlier, and based on the assumption that a type 68 loco (or its equivalent) is used; then V Line can proceed as follows:

  1. Build some new long haul carriages with superior suspension to the N sets, capable of of 140 kph running so it easily copes at 130kph.
  2. For a 5-6 car set use two type 68's in push pull mode, as per my previous post. That will cover all contingencies and deliver a high quality reliable performance at up to 130kph where the track permits. Eg. SCS to Albury and on all RFR and RRL class 1 track.
  3. For 3-4 cars sets only one loco will be required, as the smaller unit still pulls 3100hp, which is 700hp more than the 2400 for the N class. So maintaining the current time table for trains to places like Bairnsdale would be no problem. As it is on flat country. Same for Warrnambool. In fact using 130kph to Geelong would speed up the timetable here significantly.
  4. For Bendigo - Swan Hill two units could be used for the climb to Bendigo, with one detaching there and a single unit go on to Swan Hill. Again time could be saved travelling to and from Bendigo.
  5. A decent track upgrade for Shepparton to class 2, and a 5 car set with push pull, would generate a big time saving on that line as well.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I noticed BZN275 with fresh paint and what seemed to be fresh bogies at Southern Cross late last week. I wonder how many are left to follow......
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

I noticed BZN275 with fresh paint and what seemed to be fresh bogies at Southern Cross late last week. I wonder how many are left to follow......
SamTheMan79
Hopefully we are nearly there!

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