V-Set replacement contract announced

 
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Latest update on the new intercity trains is the link to the PDF file for the April 2018 newsletter. It includes exterior and interior (top deck) concept images of the design (preliminary) of the new trains. The trains look fine and will blend in with existing rolling stock such as the Waratahs and Oscars however I think the non-reversible seating is a big mistake - especially for long distance trains such as these.

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/fleet-delivery-program

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  Xavier Station Master

Location: Newcastle, AU
I wish the intercity trains did not look so similar to the Waratahs (especially the B-set with that livery). I prefer a little bit of diversity in the fleet...all NSW trains all look so alike nowadays.

I know its only a concept but I cannot imagine the final design to be far different from that.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I wish the intercity trains did not look so similar to the Waratahs (especially the B-set with that livery). I prefer a little bit of diversity in the fleet...all NSW trains all look so alike nowadays.

I know its only a concept but I cannot imagine the final design to be far different from that.
Xavier
Almost every generation of trains were similar

- Red Rattlers

- Silver DD sets

- Now 21st century sets

A Few odd balls along the way, ie Tulloch trailers, U-boats, Tangara's
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Yuk.

What is that bump on the top for? Can't the new trains have recessed headlamps?

Non adjustable seating... may as well bring back the electric chair. A complete disregard for paying passengers.

Maybe the driver should sit backwards too?


Rework on the 10 tunnels and track beyond Springwood. A complete disregard for tax payer $$$.

$ Yuk $
  TomBTR Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
The rework of the ten tunnels could be one of the better decisions made related to the new trains. Experience from around the world is that larger loading gauges are better.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

The rework of the ten tunnels could be one of the better decisions made related to the new trains. Experience from around the world is that larger loading gauges are better.
TomBTR
Are we sure that this 10-tunnel work will even happen? There has long been talk behind closed doors that no electric trains will run west of Mount Victoria.

Local State Member has made FOI request about this from coalition government.

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/5400051/release-secret-blue-mountains-rail-line-documents-labor-mp-trish-doyle/

I wonder what greater Lithgow area residents will make of this....
  LesS Train Controller

Location: Behind the Camera
Do not expect any information from the government until after the election.

The tunnels are a real problem. One can only guess at what that is.

When DD trains began running in 1978 there had been no tunnel widening. They were wide enough. Throughout 1977/78 the tracks through the tunnels were lowered by 60cm at a cost of $12m. The rails were also laid in mass concrete. This was to allow the DD's to operate.

The cost of widening the tunnels by chipping away a few cms of the brickwork is simple. This was done to the tunnels on Cowan Bank. Widening the track centres is another matter. The cost would be prohibitive.

It is difficult to understand why the overhead wad repaired 3 years ago following the disastrous fires.
  PeeJay2 Beginner

When DD trains began running in 1978 there had been no tunnel widening. They were wide enough. Throughout 1977/78 the tracks through the tunnels were lowered by 60cm at a cost of $12m. The rails were also laid in mass concrete. This was to allow the DD's to operate.
LesS


I was always under the impression the concrete floor was because of washaways, and the time required to rebuild the track afterwood. I think it happened two times in quick succession in the late 70's.

I can understand lowering the floor a bit might be required for decent quality overhead, from memory it only looks to be 40cm as it is. Did they just have a single contact wire in there before? Must have been tight.
  LesS Train Controller

Location: Behind the Camera
The rails were lowered by 60cm. This is confirmed by several official references. The lowering was to allow the running of DD trains and to provide safe clearance for the movement of shipping containers.


On a recent visit I observed that there is plenty of space to the tunnel walls to allow clearance for the new trains. The track centres; and therefore the space between passing trains, needs to be checked. A profile checking train is needed to do this. It is probable that the clearance space is insufficient for the safe passage of 2 trains. We will have to wait to find out.
  dezzy94 Station Staff

Location: Sydney
maybe a different idea might be to run single track through the tunnel area then there wouldnt be needed the widing of the tunnels still would need some trackwork like to move one of the tracks more centrally away from one side of the tunnels wall so its enuff room to pass though since one there really isnt that much traffic really in the area so even for freight it shouldnt cause much issues ,,, just an idea might be more costly that way tho dunno lol
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
maybe a different idea might be to run single track through the tunnel area then there wouldnt be needed the widing of the tunnels still would need some trackwork like to move one of the tracks more centrally away from one side of the tunnels wall so its enuff room to pass though since one there really isnt that much traffic really in the area so even for freight it shouldnt cause much issues ,,, just an idea might be more costly that way tho dunno lol
dezzy94
Yep agree, but which costs more?
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner
  TrainLover222 Junior Train Controller

Location: ...And then all stations to Central
More details and photos of the mockup

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/secret-prototype-reveals-what-s-in-store-for-intercity-rail-passengers-20180627-p4zo1m.html
jcouch
That looks like more than a mockup to me. Based on the pictures it's fully equipped and fitted out, having a carriage number, lights, wheels/bogies, safety stickers, seats, power points and even fire extinguishers. Having seen the Sydney Metro mockup carriage, this one looks to be a functioning rail car capable of operating under its own power. Perhaps it will become a testbed, like the prototype 4-car Waratah train was?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

More details and photos of the mockup

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/secret-prototype-reveals-what-s-in-store-for-intercity-rail-passengers-20180627-p4zo1m.html
That looks like more than a mockup to me. Based on the pictures it's fully equipped and fitted out, having a carriage number, lights, wheels/bogies, safety stickers, seats, power points and even fire extinguishers. Having seen the Sydney Metro mockup carriage, this one looks to be a functioning rail car capable of operating under its own power. Perhaps it will become a testbed, like the prototype 4-car Waratah train was?

TrainLover222
Its likely just a real proper mockup, not one just for a PR stunt.  Most real mock up's have everything as accurate as they can, especially in the cab so they can do basic tests inside the warehouse/plant and so they can sort out drivers issues quicker.
  Matthew Train Controller

That looks like more than a mockup to me. Based on the pictures it's fully equipped and fitted out, having a carriage number, lights, wheels/bogies,
TrainLover222

It has ONE wheel visible in the photos. Where other wheel goes is blue box section steel.

It also has no cooling slots for the converters or intakes for airconditioning.


safety stickers, seats, power points and even fire extinguishers. Having seen the Sydney Metro mockup carriage, this one looks to be a functioning railcar capable of operating under its own power. Perhaps it will become a testbed, like the prototype 4-car Waratah train was?

To me, it looks the same as the Metro car mock-up just larger. This one isn't meant to be taken around by truck and paraded to the public.

One of the objectives of this mockup IS to try out all the safety stickers, interior fit-out, etc, etc, so everyone can see how it all comes together. They wouldn't have let the media take/publish photos until it was pretty near ready.

It may have a steel frame close to the final design - as they would have also been testing how to fit the actual structure together too, but it won't be anywhere structurally sound enough to actually sit on rails and move.

There will be a 2nd electro-mechanical mock-up, probably back in Korea where they will have all the electrical,electro-mechanical and pneumatic components laid out on the floor, all connected up and working to run integration tests on the electronics kit.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Is  possible that at some stage, a future state government will refit the new offshore built toy trains (so called inter urban) with forward facing seats? Apart from extra cost and political will, what could be an obstacle to this?

Gladys and Andrew will leave a terrible legacy if this defect or regard for taxpayer input isn't addressed NOW!
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Is  possible that at some stage, a future state government will refit the new offshore built toy trains (so called inter urban) with forward facing seats? Apart from extra cost and political will, what could be an obstacle to this?

Gladys and Andrew will leave a terrible legacy if this defect or regard for taxpayer input isn't addressed NOW!
ANR
Well, they did that with the XPT
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

So lessons have not been learned.

Taxpayers will foot the bill because their representatives cannot admit fundamental mistakes that will end up costing even more to correct.

Gladys and Andrew would have left the building before it will cost votes.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
I don't see what the big deal is about fixed seating, it happens in many places overseas.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

I don't recall how many commuters surveyed, (if they were surveyed), agreed that it is okay to sit backwards for a 1-2.5 hour journey.

Someone should do an FOI on it.

Not even the G set Tangaras had fixed seating apart from the outer benches at each end.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The rework of the ten tunnels could be one of the better decisions made related to the new trains. Experience from around the world is that larger loading gauges are better.
TomBTR
It might be possible to rework the ten tunnels, and stations with side platforms, by introducing some kind of "gauntlett track" arrangement, like that at Gosford P1 and P2.

The number of trains using these places simultaneously is now rather small.

Side platforms and tunnels include:
* Lapstone,
* Glenbrook tunnel
* Mt Victoria
* 10 Tunnels
* Zig Zag
* original Lithgow platforms (Eskbank??)

* 4 Boronia tunnels
* Hawkesbury River Tunnel (original)
* Woy Woy tunnel
* Gosford P1 and P2
* Cardiff tunnel

The current standard for track centres of 12 feet (3.66m) was introduced in 1910, the same time that the 10 tunnels were built, so it is not easy for outsiders to say which standard the 10 tunnels were built to. Tangara cars are "medium width" or 3.00m wide, so fit 3.66m track centres. Original width of track centres for say Woy Woy double track tunnel of 1890 is unclear.

So narrow centres past Springwood may not in practice be a problem. The "devil is in the details."
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
Customer feedback session showing off the different features.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMRs_RWUSQ
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Project updates on the New Intercity Fleet.

This page specifically lists updates on the Springwood to lithgow rail corridor. It seems the contract for the work has recently been awarded to Continuum Alliance (Transport for NSW + CPB Contractors and Lendlease) and work is already commencing at various points along the corridor this weekend

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/current-projects/new-intercity-fleet-program-springwood-to-lithgow-rail-corridor

And based on one of the FAQ documents I read the new intercity trains will be capable of 160km/h
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Some photos of the New Intercity Fleet trains. I'd say what you see here is very close to final, if not final, at least from the outside. It has an overall similar look to a Waratah. Interestingly the double head lamps up top and front is almost a bit of a nod to the first gen intercity emus / U Boats.

http://www.classiccoachworks.com.au/2018/07/28/new-intercity-fleet/

Enlarged photo of front of train
http://www.classiccoachworks.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/IMG_5021-1.jpg

Another photo of front of the train from the Daily Telegraph, at this point, the orange livery at the front of the cab wasn't applied yet.
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/1c6c60be31cfbfcaff1ae347c512244b?width=1024


Enlarged side photo of train
http://www.classiccoachworks.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/IMG_5022.jpg

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