Ethanol plant planned for Gheringhap

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
With the coming announcement of the new plant which if the council passes the planning permits will be built on the SG/BG line closest Gherninghap this could well lead to new traffic both inbound and outbound in relation to the plant.

With other ethanol plants in Australia is rail used for access and what is carried in please?

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Manildra rails in a significant quantity of grain to Bomaderry (550,000t).  Refer to page 121 of this doc for the flows.  I don't know what happens to the outflows, I think everything else goes via road.

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/business-industry/partners-suppliers/documents/land-use/rta_sth_eastern_nsw_road_freight_sc_study_2010.pdf



Have you got a link to details of this new plant?



As an aside, In my view, if an operator could be found, a Crawfords like train could possibly make a go of an intermodal terminal in the Bomaderry area, shuttling to Botany.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hi James,

This is breaking news.  I recall a post on here some months ago regarding an intermodal terminal for the Geelong region but clearly this has not been announced as yet nor has this development but should hit the news in the coming days.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is it by this Korean company?

http://dongmungreentec.com.au/?page_id=1117
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is it by this Korean company?

http://dongmungreentec.com.au/?page_id=1117
james.au

Yes that is it.  @GheringhapLoop can you advise the exact location please?

Seems they are also building a plan in NSW.
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
Is it by this Korean company?

http://dongmungreentec.com.au/?page_id=1117

Yes that is it.  @GheringhapLoop can you advise the exact location please?

Seems they are also building a plan in NSW.
bevans


The land bought for this plant, I am told, is next to the three former DR residences and along the S/G Loop to Buchters Rd, between the track and the Midland Hwy.

GoG.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Thanks for the info GOG much appreciated.

Do you have any ideas of the timeframe and if rail will
Be buses in both directions ?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Can easily edit the last post what I mean is if rail will be used for inout and also finished product ?
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
I doubt this will get up.

All the land around this area is zoned either "Farming Zone" or "Low Density Residential Zone". I would say the company proposing this will have somewhat of a fight on their hands as the land will have to be re-zoned to at least "Industrial 2 Zone" for a "plant" to be built on any of that land.

I cannot find any reference to the project at all online. It's not even in any of the local council's minutes.

Would love to know your source @bevans
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Here is the website posted above.

http://dongmungreentec.com.au/?page_id=44

The company has purchased the land as indicated by Gheringhap Loop.
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
I doubt this will get up.

All the land around this area is zoned either "Farming Zone" or "Low Density Residential Zone". I would say the company proposing this will have somewhat of a fight on their hands as the land will have to be re-zoned to at least "Industrial 2 Zone" for a "plant" to be built on any of that land.

I cannot find any reference to the project at all online. It's not even in any of the local council's minutes.

Would love to know your source @bevans
SamTheMan79
Sorry, you are wrong, for a number of years now Golden Plains have been working with the Gheringhap resident ( I am one) to rezone this area to industrial.
Try this link,

http://dongmungreentec.com.au/?page_id=1117

They have already bought the land.

Regards GoG.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
A more interesting thing right now from their website is that they have approval to build a plant in Deniliquin.  I can't find right now how many tonnes it would take, though the ethanol would be taken to Korea.  Not sure how it would get to Melbourne though.  Can ethanol be railed safely enough??
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Ethanol is railed in very large quantities in the US, with unit trains moving from the midwest to East Coast and West Coast refineries. In Australia ethanol was railed in unit trains between Sarina and Mackay until March 2005.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is there an equivalent of an intermodal container for liquids that is sufficiently distributed in the shipping network to allow cheap movement by rail to port?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Is there an equivalent of an intermodal container for liquids that is sufficiently distributed in the shipping network to allow cheap movement by rail to port?
james.au
There are a lot of twenty foot tank containers currently in use, good for about 25 000 litres capacity.

These are used as fuel tanks on east west intermodal trains and many others are in general use in rail, many of which are indicated as usable for foodstuffs, which ethanol can be considered.

Whether this is economical for shipping the ethanol would depend on where it is going and how much is produced.

M636C
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
According to the info on the web, it is going to be exported to Korea.  They are saying that the Korean Govt has removed a 20% tariff from ethanol under the Korea/Australia FTA which now makes it economical.  This is yet to be proven though of course.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Good pickup James.  If this is being exported from Denni and also Gheringhap then how will this happen?  Through what port?

Could Geelong handle this task as both gauges are available?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Based on what happens elsewhere, export ethanol will be transported in bulk like most other petroleum products and will need to be exported via a port equipped to load bulk petroleum products.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Ethanol is railed in very large quantities in the US, with unit trains moving from the midwest to East Coast and West Coast refineries. In Australia ethanol was railed in unit trains between Sarina and Mackay until March 2005.
Sulla1

@Sulla1 why did this cease?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Based on what happens elsewhere, export ethanol will be transported in bulk like most other petroleum products and will need to be exported via a port equipped to load bulk petroleum products.
Sulla1

If this is the case then I am not sure there is a port in Victoria which has this capability?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Based on what happens elsewhere, export ethanol will be transported in bulk like most other petroleum products and will need to be exported via a port equipped to load bulk petroleum products.

If this is the case then I am not sure there is a port in Victoria which has this capability?
bevans
I do not know about now but Portland harbor USED to be able to receive bulk fuel from ships.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Hmmmm, just some random ravings, you have been warned...................

Let's say the plant uses 10,000 tons of grain a week (thats 500,000 tons a year) and the process is 60% effective so 1 tonne of grain produces 600Kg of Ethanol. Thats somewhat under 800 litres per tonne of grain and thats 800 x 10,000 tons, ie 8 million litres of Ethanol per week, say 100 80,000 litre tank cars. Thats WAY beyond road transport.

Overseas experience shows this will surely push up the price of grain, so farmers are likely to be happy.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

One thing it may be worth pointing out here is Ethanol is hydroscopic , ie it will absorb water easily, so it has to be handled carefully, with an absolute minimum  time in contact with the atmosphere.

woodford
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

JimYarin - QR was very short of motive power in 2005 and as a result ended several non-core freight operations at the beginning of that year to free up resouces for the runaway coal boom. Bundaberg-Brisbane freight, coal trains to the Parkhurst (Rockhampton) lime works and the use of electric locos south of Gladstone, as well as the ethanol traffic all finished up within a few months of each other.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Hmmmm, just some random ravings, you have been warned...................

Let's say the plant uses 10,000 tons of grain a week (thats 500,000 tons a year) and the process is 60% effective so 1 tonne of grain produces 600Kg of Ethanol. Thats somewhat under 800 litres per tonne of grain and thats 800 x 10,000 tons, ie 8 million litres of Ethanol per week, say 100 80,000 litre tank cars. Thats WAY beyond road transport.

Overseas experience shows this will surely push up the price of grain, so farmers are likely to be happy.

woodford
woodford
Thanks Woodford.
Informative as always.

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