Ad Met goings on -

 
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-29/coronavirus-plan-for-adelaide-trains-buses-and-trams/12301252
The dreaded third seat is finally being ripped out and hopefully for good in the 3000 class railcars.
Gayspie
That will not take long as if you notice the third seat is cantilevered off the original two seats and has a angled strut under it so virtually undo a couple of bolts and you then get two by two seating in the car with a wide aisle which is what it was supposed to be in the first place when they upgraded them but people complained about not enough seats in them. It will also make it easier for wheel chairs to be moved to the opposite end of the cars in the event of an accident etc to get them off the train. Wait for the complaints now about " I could not get a seat".

Here is a photo to prove it.

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

There's no "original two seats" as those were originally installed as rows of three during the interior refurbishment.


For those who haven't noticed yet, the Adelaide Metro website changed over to the updated layout early this morning.

The MetroMate app is being discontinued in July and there is a page directing people to a number of third-party mobile apps. Of course if they'd got their website right there wouldn't be a need for an app, as people would be happy to just put a shortcut button on their home screen.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

New bus network plan has been launched: https://dpti.sa.gov.au/new_public_transport_network

I haven't read through everything in detail, but it looks mostly positive in terms of simplifying the network after it has been allowed to go too long with just tinkering and little big picture planning.

Now that converting selected city services to feed the Flinders Line (the 330 and X330 from Aberfoyle Park, replacing the current G20/G21/320 and G22X respectively) has been decided upon, it would be good to see a better bus interchange option to replace the current FMC interchange which is nowhere near Flinders Station.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Now that converting selected city services to feed the Flinders Line (the 330 and X330 from Aberfoyle Park, replacing the current G20/G21/320 and G22X respectively) has been decided upon, it would be good to see a better bus interchange option to replace the current FMC interchange which is nowhere near Flinders Station.
justapassenger
You could turn left into the Service Road past the staff car park and Flinders Private then around the very tight and somewhat confusing roundabout to the University Hall Access Road then into University Drive - left would take you back out to Sturt Road, right to the Registry and the FMC.   This would put the interchange the car park away.

Or construct a one way road from South Road between the car park and the station with the interchange there, then right around the rebuilt roundabout to the Service Road then back to Flinders Drive and FMC.

Or shift the whole interchange to the Oaklands station: from the stop on the Diagonal Road bridge right to Prunus Street, right Morphett Road then back into Diagonal Road and the stop there.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

There's certainly plenty of options.

Taking over part of the staff car park next to the station could be one, subject to replacing it with additional capacity elsewhere such as a multi-storey in Laffer Triangle or free use of the train from Tonsley to Flinders with a FMC staff ID. They could temporarily stick with the current interchange and parking situation while such an alternative is constructed.

There is a bit of space under the rail bridge at the Flinders end, which could allow for a lane to be built for buses to exit Flinders Drive there, stop at a double sided platform right next to the the station, then proceed north (off to the right of the Main South Road southbound lanes) to re-enter the public road system with a B light at the Sturt Road intersection. This would allow buses to serve dedicated stops without going properly into the FMC precinct.



If no proper interchange is built, the inbound X330 (G22X replacement) in the morning could be improved by having it going past Flinders Drive and doing a double right at Sturt Road to stop right next to the station on the southbound side of the road. The afternoon X330 could start there instead of the old FMC interchange. I might make a submission on this topic.

Going to Oaklands instead wouldn't be a win. The idea of getting off at Flinders is that Aberfoyle Park people could get on a train that moves them towards the city earlier, instead of turning away from the city on Sturt Road and spending ages stuck in traffic that's not moving around Marion.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Driving over the Gawler line @ Regency Road today I noticed that all the masts are in position and there's only a little bit of work left to do before they sling the catenary over the line.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Coles at Arndale has converted into a Romeo's Foodland - and it's very odd because it looks like Coles sole the entire shop lock, stock and barrel to Romeo's including all the fittings and even some of the signage.

Must admit it was never a very good Coles.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

RRG have purchased stores like that in the past.

Old Reynella looked like a neglected old Coles for a few years after it became a Romeos Foodland.

Daw Park was a fairly new Bi-Lo at the time it was sold to Romeos (built just before Coles Myer starting closing down the Bi-Lo chain) and was only closed for one day before it reopened as a Romeos Foodland with new managers but mostly the same staff still wearing Bi-Lo uniforms.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Preferred design of the Torrens Road overpass has been released.

https://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/infrastructure/public_transport_projects/torrens_road_level_crossing_upgrade

It looks pretty bare bones, nothing in the way of forward planning things like grade separated access to the station or a grade separated Torrens-to-Churchill exit going under the overpass to eliminate that right turn from the at-grade junction.

I hope DPTI got a cheap deal on the promo video. Keep an eye out for locomotives on the back of every freight train, a cyclist who can corner without any form of steering, and the exciting revelation that you'll be able to drive south-west on Torrens Road.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
When DPTI think the opposite of northwest is southwest we know we are in trouble.

Southwest travel on Torrens Road, this is a much bigger project/Torrens Road rebuild than I realised.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The bus plan seems to have caused disquiet among the ranks: Indaily

With the G20 dropped I would go from an hourly service at 400 metres to a half hourly service at 800 metres if my back allows it.

I wonder just what the 800 metres means in Government speak: radial distance or distance along streets which could be considerably more?

If the proposed services terminating at the Aberfoyle Hub interchange continued 3 stops to stop 52 Taylor's Road West where there is plenty of room for buses to layover those west of the Hub would be better served.    Turning is pretty easy with a roundabout a few metres further on.   This would leave a handful of stops in the western end of Manning Road, though I suspect stop 51 won't be missed, there being no nearby houses.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Bus reform plans have been dropped.

That's a pity, because the broad concept of giving the network a real structure was quite good, and could have been successful if the boy wonder had done a better job of selling it and conceded a little ground on preserving local connections.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
This awesome new bus network was sadly dropped all thanks to the vocal minority of little old ladies carrying on like pork chops on A Current Affair.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Bus reform plans have been dropped.

That's a pity, because the broad concept of giving the network a real structure was quite good, and could have been successful if the boy wonder had done a better job of selling it and conceded a little ground on preserving local connections.
justapassenger
Some bus stops are located way too close to each other in my opinion -
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Some bus stops are located way too close to each other in my opinion -
don_dunstan
That is just a symptom of the service frequency being too poor. If it's been long enough since the previous bus that the crowds have built up and the bus has to stop at every stop along the route, there should have been one or two buses in between to take some of the load.

For all we know, this plan might have dealt with that a little on the core routes by increasing frequency - but we'll never know which routes were to get upgraded because we never saw the details. For all we know it was just going to be a net cut in services (all the routes to be removed) with no or little corresponding increase on other routes.

Now it's probably true that there are some routes that are too close together, which could be merged to provide a better frequency on one route, but that's something that can still be done on a case by case basis. I wouldn't expect to see this any time soon though (and certainly not until there's a new transport minister) as it would cost too much political capital after this fiasco.

The renumbering plan was pretty sound - though I would have gone for all the city routes with two digits having a C prefix for normal services and an X for peak expresses. Hopefully this part of it will be kept in mind for the future when it might become politically acceptable to have another go at a better bus reform plan that doesn't make so many cuts.

Taking ownership for cancelling the plan was one of the smartest moves that Steven Marshall has made as premier, not least because it made the first half of a 1-2 with the next day seeing him cancel the opening of the Victorian border. He could probably go a long way to winning the next election by opening a public consultation on firing Stephan Knoll.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
This awesome new bus network was sadly dropped all thanks to the vocal minority of little old ladies carrying on like pork chops on A Current Affair.
Gayspie
A somewhat harsh judgement.

The plan had several shortcomings: 2 that I noticed were a lack of a bus running the length of Cross Road meaning cross town travellers would need to go via the city, and the withdrawal of the service on Cashel Street St Marys which would have meant users of that service would have to walk to either Goodwood Road/Fiveash Drive or South Road, an extra 800 metres (plus) and the not small task of crossing those roads during peak; hardly conducive to using public transport.

A complicating factor in Adelaide would seem to be the aversion to changing vehicles; why I don't know.   I have no problem with it provided there is a reasonably frequent service on both the incoming and connecting services, and some shelter.

Toronto Canada had a grid based service connecting to a handful of radial routes mostly railways, rather than a largely radial service: to get from one place to another means catching up to 2 vehicles, one east west and the other north south.    Changing buses in Toronto during winter definitely requires heated shelters and the services are frequent.

Listening to Knoll being interviewed by Ali Clarke on ABC Adelaide I rather gained the impression from the way he handled the interview that this was purely a cost cutting exercise dressed up a little by more "go zones".     When pressed he stuck to the lines "its all in the website" and "its an improvement".    Not one of his best interviews.
  northeast19 Beginner

In the past when they have changed bus routes  - they haven't opened it up to public opinion. I think they should have just announced a new look bus network for 2021 and let people figure it out.

If new services weren't good enough or weren't connecting enough people then make changes. I live near Modbury and there are so many services that cross each other or follow each other, that the new services made a lot of sense. Main North road has several services running down it and often they run right behind each other. having one service from Mawson Lakes to the city made so much sense and should actually go ahead.

I think if they make small changes to services over the coming years people won't be as shocked. what they proposed was a shock to the system.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The queue for the Blend 43 was moving pretty slowly today, my inbound Seaford train waited outside the RAH for nearly two minutes this afternoon.
  Cato56 Station Master

Hahaha as if the SA public service would be treated to the relative delights of Blend 43. They're working on International Roast my friend and the results show.
  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Does anyone know what the bus renumbering was going to be? 1962 style or something else I googled the smeg out of it but could find nothing
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Hahaha as if the SA public service would be treated to the relative delights of Blend 43. They're working on International Roast my friend and the results show.
Cato56
Blend 43 is bad enough but International Roast is like powdered cat turd.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don’t drink coffee at all, so I have only known Luwak coffee to be made from powdered cat turd. Is international roast Indonesian?

On the subject of cat turd, last week or thereabouts Aldi were selling kitty litter made from tofu - which totally blew me away, because I never realised that tofu served a useful purpose before that.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I don’t drink coffee at all, so I have only known Luwak coffee to be made from powdered cat turd. Is international roast Indonesian?

On the subject of cat turd, last week or thereabouts Aldi were selling kitty litter made from tofu - which totally blew me away, because I never realised that tofu served a useful purpose before that.
Aaron
I quite like tofu and tempura-dipped veggies as long as its done right. I never set foot in an Aldi - ever. So I don't know what they sell... but it does sound like somewhat of a novelty being made from bean curd. Don't they normally make kitty litter from some sort of clay? Our cat poops outside somewhere so it isn't something I ever need.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Does anyone know what the bus renumbering was going to be? 1962 style or something else I googled the smeg out of it but could find nothing
doyle

Derived from the proposed network map downloaded from AdMet, June 2020:

Go Zones Through Routed in CBD
1 - 5               O-Bahn
10-23              Other Routes


Other Go Zones
40,41              Outer North
51                  Outer North East
70-73             Outer South
80                  Hills


Connector Services
81,82             Hills


Connector and Local Services
98                 North Adelaide
3xx                East West & North South
4xx                Outer North
5xx                Outer North East
7xx                Outer South
8xx                Hills


Special
5xx O-Bahn Peak
Nxx Night
Txx
Xxx


Note:
Go Zone     10-15 min frequency
Connector  30 min frequency
Local         60 min frequency
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  doyle Assistant Commissioner

Thank you 62430

That would of clean up the the 3 digit and letter plus number mess

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