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  northeast19 Beginner

regardless of which Government started it, The Rann years in my opinion (a young south Aussie) saw the beginning of our state actually growing and expanding and becoming something more where people fall asleep because there's nothing to do and nothing happening. There will always be debt but at least we have things to see with that debt.

I will admit they did offer us a ten year plan (2009) that included electric trains on all lines by 2021.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
regardless of which Government started it, The Rann years in my opinion (a young south Aussie) saw the beginning of our state actually growing and expanding and becoming something more where people fall asleep because there's nothing to do and nothing happening. There will always be debt but at least we have things to see with that debt.

I will admit they did offer us a ten year plan (2009) that included electric trains on all lines by 2021.
northeast19
Seem to recall it was actually 2007 that the electric train plan came into being.

I didn't say everything about Rann/Weatherill was bad but the fundamental problem with South Australia was the huge debt left by Bannon when the SBSA went under; many billions sucked down a black hole for no other reason than Tim Marcus-Clarke was left to his own devices to wreck the thing in misguided belief that it was good for South Australia. In fairness to the Liberals there was no money left to spend on anything for many years after that disaster.

Anyway...our debt situation actually isn't as bad as other states - especially QLD, VIC and the NT. As I've posted in other threads public spending in the NT in particular is completely out of control and projected to hit $30 billion by 2030 if nothing is done to reign it in. VIC and QLD are already projected to hit $100 billion each very soon but at least both of those states have large populations and large tax bases from which to extract money.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Track laying on the Flinders extension was a couple  of metres short of joining the existing track when I went past about 1:00pm..

Ballasting is yet to be done, and the overhead, though the masts are all in place.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The government has finally admitted that Adelaide-Salisbury will be closed for another few months, the current official schedule until last service December 25.

I've heard a rumour that it's not all about the electrification project, but I reckon it's a load of rubbish as there's no way the government would lie about this. It really is all about turbocharging the project, increase the hours available to the engine room of the project and the crews will be running hot in no time.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The government has finally admitted that Adelaide-Salisbury will be closed for another few months, the current official schedule until last service December 25.

I've heard a rumour that it's not all about the electrification project, but I reckon it's a load of rubbish as there's no way the government would lie about this. It really is all about turbocharging the project, increase the hours available to the engine room of the project and the crews will be running hot in no time.
justapassenger
What are you saying, that there'll be clock-face services every ten minutes or something (like the Frankston line?).
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Nope. I'm only talking about the closure, not operations afterwards.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
I caught the Belair line train to Blackwood and return this evening for a joyride. I noticed that the shelter has recently been removed from the disused Hawthorn Railway Station on the broad gauge track side. That same shelter was there ten days or so ago when i last caught the train up that way.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
https://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/Announcements2/Service-updates/More-services-for-the-Adelaide-passenger-rail-network?fbclid=IwAR3HJi0G-j_hpE61ClKA_6J4He7GSLrLIYtSXjgoVGzYCwqKVow5Y0cThC8
Flinders line draft timetable has been released. I would prefer it if services ran every 15 minutes each way all day every day from 6 AM to Midnight.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

My understanding is that staff who work at the Flinders and Tonsley precincts are having a direct consultation in addition to the open public consultation, and that the weighting is 50% Flinders, 25% Tonsley, 25% open.

Looks like a reasonably good timetable. Most importantly, it's predictable and doesn't start too late or stop too early each day.

The cross-platform transfer at Woodlands Park is catered for fairly well, at the expense of lengthening the connection time for passengers changing between trains in the same direction.

My guess is that this will go into service with no changes other than adding stops on the inner section to the late night Seaford trains in each direction that run after the last Flinders train.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Not strictly an Adelaide Metro topic, but it looks like slightly used bandwagons are going cheaply all around the place today.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I commend Adelaide Metro on their conservation policy. Glaciers world-wide are reported as vanishing. however Adelaide Metro are doing their best at restoring them by relocating them to the Adelaide rail notwork.
That time table has not improved since loco hauled trains when the 5:10 Willunga Express got to Oaklands in 14 minutes with stops at Goodwood and Edwardstown.

I thought EMUs were renowned for fast acceleration; from my observations the 4000s crawl away from each station stop, the Red Hens had more get up and go.

Come on Adelaide Metro, show us a bit of leg.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I commend Adelaide Metro on their conservation policy. Glaciers world-wide are reported as vanishing. however Adelaide Metro are doing their best at restoring them by relocating them to the Adelaide rail notwork.
That time table has not improved since loco hauled trains when the 5:10 Willunga Express got to Oaklands in 14 minutes with stops at Goodwood and Edwardstown.

I thought EMUs were renowned for fast acceleration; from my observations the 4000s crawl away from each station stop, the Red Hens had more get up and go.

Come on Adelaide Metro, show us a bit of leg.
steam4ian
I noticed that the other day, waiting to cross Dorlaine Ave LX the train departing Edwardstown took and eternity to gain speed does anyone know if there’s a speed restriction for that LX? The train basically just coasted across it, probably not much, more than walking speed.
  ausbulldog Station Master

Location: Mt Barker SA
The reason Emu's or for that matter 3000's on the Belair and Seaford lines crawl away from stations, has to do with ATP. Adelaide Metro upgraded the AWS system to ATP a number of years ago. If the driver approaches/arrives at a station and the signal at the end of the platform is at stop, the ATP system records this. Even though the signal has cleared, the ATP system still thinks the signal is at stop, and the driver has to roll from the station at low speed until the ATP antenna on the railcar receives the signal that the signal has cleared. If the driver exceeds low speed ATP will apply a penalty brake application. With the old AWS system the driver would come into the station on a caution then when the signal cleared could leave the station under speed according to the signal aspect. It would be great if ATP had eyes.

Yes the EMU's (4000) have greater acceleration than the 3000's.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The reason Emu's or for that matter 3000's on the Belair and Seaford lines crawl away from stations, has to do with ATP. Adelaide Metro upgraded the AWS system to ATP a number of years ago. If the driver approaches/arrives at a station and the signal at the end of the platform is at stop, the ATP system records this. Even though the signal has cleared, the ATP system still thinks the signal is at stop, and the driver has to roll from the station at low speed until the ATP antenna on the railcar receives the signal that the signal has cleared. If the driver exceeds low speed ATP will apply a penalty brake application. With the old AWS system the driver would come into the station on a caution then when the signal cleared could leave the station under speed according to the signal aspect. It would be great if ATP had eyes.

Yes the EMU's (4000) have greater acceleration than the 3000's.
ausbulldog
The lack of infill loops or additional balises on the ETCS Level 1 installation has been discussed on this forum a number of times.

The Rann/Weatherill government paid a Rolls Royce price for the signalling component of the Noarlunga/Seaford line rebuild ($103M before overruns) but got 1990s Commodore quality work for it.

I noticed that the other day, waiting to cross Dorlaine Ave LX the train departing Edwardstown took and eternity to gain speed does anyone know if there’s a speed restriction for that LX? The train basically just coasted across it, probably not much, more than walking speed.
Aaron
There's a draconian speed restriction on the curve that starts just south of the De Laine Ave level crossing.

I have two guesses as to the cause - cant deficiency (the amount of superelevation is restricted by the Angus Ave level crossing) or a restricted kinematic envelope thanks to OHLE masts being placed too close to the track (as is also the problem going past the RAH).
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The reason Emu's or for that matter 3000's on the Belair and Seaford lines crawl away from stations, has to do with ATP. Adelaide Metro upgraded the AWS system to ATP a number of years ago. If the driver approaches/arrives at a station and the signal at the end of the platform is at stop, the ATP system records this. Even though the signal has cleared, the ATP system still thinks the signal is at stop, and the driver has to roll from the station at low speed until the ATP antenna on the railcar receives the signal that the signal has cleared. If the driver exceeds low speed ATP will apply a penalty brake application. With the old AWS system the driver would come into the station on a caution then when the signal cleared could leave the station under speed according to the signal aspect. It would be great if ATP had eyes.

Yes the EMU's (4000) have greater acceleration than the 3000's.
Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.

As Justapax stated the government of the day got dudded with the unnecessary resignalling of the Seaford line; it already had equipment suited to electrification but they replaced it with axle counters all at great expense and embarrassing delay.

With the APT does the 40kph rule past a yellow signal still apply?
Can the system be changed to give a flashing yellow as a pre-warning?
What would stop an additional lamp/lamps being fixed below the main head to warn of a junction indication at the next mast?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The reason Emu's or for that matter 3000's on the Belair and Seaford lines crawl away from stations, has to do with ATP. Adelaide Metro upgraded the AWS system to ATP a number of years ago. If the driver approaches/arrives at a station and the signal at the end of the platform is at stop, the ATP system records this. Even though the signal has cleared, the ATP system still thinks the signal is at stop, and the driver has to roll from the station at low speed until the ATP antenna on the railcar receives the signal that the signal has cleared. If the driver exceeds low speed ATP will apply a penalty brake application. With the old AWS system the driver would come into the station on a caution then when the signal cleared could leave the station under speed according to the signal aspect. It would be great if ATP had eyes.

Yes the EMU's (4000) have greater acceleration than the 3000's.
Sounds like an excuse, not a reason.
steam4ian
I would call that the symptom, not an excuse or a reason.

The direct reason is incompetent contract tendering by DTEI/DPTI/DFIT and the root cause being poor supervision of that department by government ministers with poorly functioning bullisht detectors.

The decision to award Bombardier the contract for the EMUs without an invitation to tender (I wonder who received the brown envelopes - Captain Hook or Super Luigi?) is an example of exactly the same problem. So many defects and deficiencies that could have been avoided by issuing specifications and seeing what each manufacturer could offer.

Speaking of poor performance, does anyone know what has broken down in the hills and is in need of help? A CSR class light engine went belting across the Victoria St level crossing heading south about 45min ago.
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
Speaking of poor performance, does anyone know what has broken down in the hills and is in need of help? A CSR class light engine went belting across the Victoria St level crossing heading south about 45min ago.
justapassenger
Supposedly just heading to Tailem Bend for banking duties on 5MP9.

Richard.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

On the topic of roads in Adelaide, rumour has it that the government is considering finishing the surfacing of the Darlington Upgrade after the 2021 World Rally Championship calendar was announced without Australia on the list.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
The Ad Met website has evening bus diversions from today until Friday from Main South Rd citybound between Marion and Sturt Roads for unspecified "major works". There is nothing on the project website about road closures.

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