Cowra War museum to auction off both War and Rail memorabilia, April 2017

 
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
The Museum held an auction earlier in 2016 of other memorabilia but has now announced the Rail and War collection is to go under the hammer.
I believe this will be carried out by Auctioneers Burns  of Bathurst in April.
A partial catalog is already available and more will be listed before the auction is held.

For anybody intending to attend I would suggest that they begin saving the their Dollars now as I am sure some items will draw big prices.

One item I would prefer not to see sold is the remnants of the Hut that was located in the Japanese Prisoner of War Camp at Cowra as it should be either kept at Cowra or in the Canberra War Museum.

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  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Geez, there will be a lot of money changing hands during that auction.

I'd be curious to see how much the miniature electric staff instrument sells for, they don't come up for sale very often, and when they do, they are always priced very high. Even in poor condition, they seem to sell for good prices.

Some of those station signs like the "GLENREAGH Change here for Dorrigo line" will be worth a mint as well, I'd love to have that hanging in my garage, however I'm sure so would a lot of other people, and I dare say their bank balance is a lot healthier than mine.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
From attending Auctions in the past, there are a few ways items sell low and that is if its too selective an Auction and few attend or there are multiples of any items and they are generally available which in both cases I doubt will happen.

When I looked at the catalog shown in another forum, all I could see in the thumbnails was $$$$$$$$$$ signs and MANY of them !!!

http://burnsandco.com.au/clearing-sales/clearing-sale-cowra-cowra-rail-war-and-rural-museum-clearing-sale-saturday-1st-and-sunday-2nd-april-2017
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

From attending Auctions in the past, there are a few ways items sell low and that is if its too selective an Auction and few attend or there are multiples of any items and they are generally available which in both cases I doubt will happen.

When I looked at the catalog shown in another forum, all I could see in the thumbnails was $$$$$$$$$$ signs and MANY of them !!!

http://burnsandco.com.au/clearing-sales/clearing-sale-cowra-cowra-rail-war-and-rural-museum-clearing-sale-saturday-1st-and-sunday-2nd-april-2017
gordon_s1942
I noticed in the photos a large scale model of a Budd rail car. If it is a model of a NSWGR Budd car I wonder how it ended up in this collection as I thought it originally belonged to the NSW Rail collection of large scale models? Were any of these large scale models disposed of?
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
I did see that model when I visited there several years ago but all I remember was it was in amongst so many other items in the almost overwhelming variety of items on  display.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
steve_w_1990I'd be curious to see how much the miniature electric staff instrument sells for, they don't come up for sale very often, and when they do, they are always priced very high. Even in poor condition, they seem to sell for good prices.
Two went for $3000 - I took home lot 1159, a tall NSW MES instrument, with a replica staff included that was in pretty good nick. The large electric staff instrument went for $1750, another NSW MES instrument went for $1200 but it was in very average condition, and the CR small MES instrument went for $3000 as well - but it was also in good condition. I bid on that one as well but gave up at $3000, so if the successful bidder is on RP - sorry for driving up the price! Laughing

I noticed in the photos a large scale model of a Budd rail car. If it is a model of a NSWGR Budd car I wonder how it ended up in this collection as I thought it originally belonged to the NSW Rail collection of large scale models? Were any of these large scale models disposed of?
nswtrains
I bid on this too, it ended up going for $4200, there was also a 1/8 scale MotoRail wagon ($2000) and Guards Van there too that went for $750.

The bargain of the decade went to the bloke who snapped up the ENTIRE model layout collection there for $1400. And no, I didn't misplace a '0'. $1000 for the big layout, and $200 each for the two smaller ones. There was probably $3000 in rollingstock sitting there even if you junked the layout!

Some of the prices items were attracting were rediculous - $18,000 for a metal enamel sign! $225 for a box of toy HO-scale trains that you'd get for $50 at a garage sale, $1000+ for a semaphore signal finger when acouple of full-sized UQ Signal posts - with lights and arms included - went for $675. The Centurion Tank went for $69,000, and a nice-looking LJ Torana went for a little under $50K.

It was very well organised, the local Rotary club was doing the tucker there, bacon/sausage sangers for breakky, a couple of coffee vans there too. Forklifts and fridge trolleys available for the heavy items. All in all it was a nice, albeit expensive, weekend in the country and I'm sure a lot of people are happy with their purchases. Sad to see such an expansive collection broken up though.

If you want to see what each lot went for, you can check out the searchable online catalog HERE.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

The bargain of the decade went to the bloke who snapped up the ENTIRE model layout collection there for $1400. And no, I didn't misplace a '0'. $1000 for the big layout, and $200 each for the two smaller ones. There was probably $3000 in rollingstock sitting there even if you junked the layout!
KRviator

If it's the LGB G gauge stuff I saw in the photos then yeah, that's a steal.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
In a way you can understand that fairly low price for that model layout ($1400) because dismantling it wouldnt be easy and very breakable. The value would be in the track and the rolling stock.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
In a way you can understand that fairly low price for that model layout ($1400) because dismantling it wouldn't be easy and very breakable. The value would be in the track and the rolling stock.
gordon_s1942
Agreed, though a bit of paper stuck either side of the glass viewing windows said it was "easily disassembled" but for the life of me I couldn't see any marks on it where it would be joined together, and at something like 9x4m you'd not only need a way to transport it, but somewhere to reassemble it. If ol' mate has both of those, he must be laughing all the way to the bank - if he can get it out of the shed in the next 6 days, per the terms of the auction!

The G-scale items were separate lots, the 8xS truck lookalikes went for $1600. It was the 3 x HO scale layouts that went for $1400 combined.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
Two went for $3000 - I took home lot 1159, a tall NSW MES instrument, with a replica staff included that was in pretty good nick. The large electric staff instrument went for $1750, another NSW MES instrument went for $1200 but it was in very average condition, and the CR small MES instrument went for $3000 as well - but it was also in good condition. I bid on that one as well but gave up at $3000, so if the successful bidder is on RP - sorry for driving up the price! Laughing
KRviator
Nice score! I was at Perth Station not so long ago doing platform duties and was talking to one of the Customer Service Attendants there and he said to me "if you would have told me 15 years ago you wanted a staff instrument, I would have given you one, we were cutting them in half with a gas axe and throwing them away"
  yesbenno Station Staff

Location: Bathurst - The Golden West
Over there today picking up a couple of items and chatting to the guys who previously worked there, he suggested the HO layout was the previous NSWGR that lived at Chullora and was set up at the Easter Show by the top 10 apprentices each year.

Apparently after a fire at Chullora where two of the six sections were burnt it ended up at Blayney (complete with transport boxes that are still with it now at Cowra) from which the museum owner picked it up for $500 and had it rebuilt on site.

The owner wandered past later and said he'd spent $5,000 getting it back up and running by paying a local (who had started recording his progress on facebook).

BTW, KR we did bid on the staff machines early on but ran out of budget; apologies for the first $500 or so of the price!

Benno.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Over there today picking up a couple of items and chatting to the guys who previously worked there, he suggested the HO layout was the previous NSWGR that lived at Chullora and was set up at the Easter Show by the top 10 apprentices each year.

Apparently after a fire at Chullora where two of the six sections were burnt it ended up at Blayney (complete with transport boxes that are still with it now at Cowra) from which the museum owner picked it up for $500 and had it rebuilt on site.

The owner wandered past later and said he'd spent $5,000 getting it back up and running by paying a local (who had started recording his progress on facebook).

BTW, KR we did bid on the staff machines early on but ran out of budget; apologies for the first $500 or so of the price!

Benno.
yesbenno
there is an article in this months historical digest
  LocoMofo Station Staff

Hi guys, just to fill in a few pieces of the puzzle... the staff exchange that went for $1750 is now residing in Perth, along with the 4718 loco cab piece and a few other bits and pieces.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
One thing that has completely disappeared are the Staffs either large or minature.
This is an  understandable because of those with the key fitting to work ground frames etc but I would have thought that once the ES was removed from use in any way, those locations that used the 'Drawer Lock/Tray' method would have been replaced during the changeover.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

All things considered, the short hood of 4718 went for a reasonablely good price

It's all relative though when considered in context with buyers premiums, the financial costs of attendance and transportation

A great deal of value would be wiped off when effectively relocating it as far as possible whilst remaining in the country. A purchase highly motivated by personal value - sound jealous?!

Probably equally applies to some of the more ridiculous prices achieved over the weekend

"Show me another", "It's only money" and "You're a better judge than me" indeed!
  WAGR_trains Assistant Commissioner

What surprised me was the amount of money being spent on replicas????. There were so many replicas in the auction - going for higher prices than genuine items, I could not believe it. The  small amount of good genuine items were removed from sale and not offered in the auction - rail related material such as builders plates.

Some bargains were had, some were not. I'm not sure why so many people got excited about this auction considering the items that were sold are common place collectables. I cant believe people we paying up to $800 for replica plates made from aluminium? or people didn't know that some items were not the real deal.

I know one collector who paid over $850 for a item that was advertised as real - only to find when it arrived it was indeed a replica.

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