Wagga to Albury commuter train proposed

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 10 Aug 2017 09:43
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

It could be anything but I think his main point is that the line south of Macarthur to Canberra needs re alignment and from Goulburn to Canberra a rebuilt track to allow faster operation then 60km/h.

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
For me, if the travel time penalty was no more than 30min longer, I certainly would go by rail but its still $20/day plus bus costs and $120+ / week maybe seen as expensive for many even if its cheaper than driving. In City you have congestion and parking costs and PT frequency, you don't have this in rural areas.

From NSW govt side, they would be placing two 2 car DMU's in each city, running 1 return service in AM and another in PM. Lets say depart 6am and 7:30am and 4:30pm and 6pm. The drivers would need to work a split shift to make it practical. I highly doubt a midday service is needed especially with XPT coming through.

Overall its probably easier to run a Wagga to Albury in AM and reverse in PM by extending the V/line, but it won't be set up well for commuters between these two cities.
RTT_Rules

Some quick fuel calcs.  

130km each way per day is 260km, at say 10L per 100km that is 26L.  At $1.50/L that is $39 per day, or $195 per week.  Over a 46 week work week (lets take off 4 wks annual leave, 1wk public holidays and 1 wk sick), Thats $8,970.  Add on the ATO deduction rate for motor vehicle use per km (which is 66c/km) and thats $171 per day for general use (or $39,468 per year) (NB this feels high, its possibly lower).  So thats a daily cost of $210 for the trip to work (but could be lower).

Now, I'm going to suggest there really aren't that many who are doing this trip on a regular basis given those costs ($48,438).  But if there were enough to fill say a sprinter, then perhaps something that size would make sense?

Now, another point, given the significant cost above, that indicates that there is a barrier to travel between ABX and WGA that may limit employment opportunities.  Ie, people have to fork out huge sums to work in the other town, either through paying to drive, or paying to move house.  Perhaps this suggestion by the Council does make sense in that it opens up new employment opportunities?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I don't know about that fuel figure of yours. Maybe that is a v8 fuel figure but I only average that number in city driving. In country driving on a highway where a constant 100km/h can be maintained I would get about 8l per 100km's in my commodore. A small 4 cylinder would be even more economical on such driving.

I would also say that $1.50 is the price of fuel for country towns. Last time I filled up at my local 7 eleven it was 103.9 cents a litre.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
For me, if the travel time penalty was no more than 30min longer, I certainly would go by rail but its still $20/day plus bus costs and $120+ / week maybe seen as expensive for many even if its cheaper than driving. In City you have congestion and parking costs and PT frequency, you don't have this in rural areas.

From NSW govt side, they would be placing two 2 car DMU's in each city, running 1 return service in AM and another in PM. Lets say depart 6am and 7:30am and 4:30pm and 6pm. The drivers would need to work a split shift to make it practical. I highly doubt a midday service is needed especially with XPT coming through.

Overall its probably easier to run a Wagga to Albury in AM and reverse in PM by extending the V/line, but it won't be set up well for commuters between these two cities.

Some quick fuel calcs.  

130km each way per day is 260km, at say 10L per 100km that is 26L.  At $1.50/L that is $39 per day, or $195 per week.  Over a 46 week work week (lets take off 4 wks annual leave, 1wk public holidays and 1 wk sick), Thats $8,970.  Add on the ATO deduction rate for motor vehicle use per km (which is 66c/km) and thats $171 per day for general use (or $39,468 per year) (NB this feels high, its possibly lower).  So thats a daily cost of $210 for the trip to work (but could be lower).

Now, I'm going to suggest there really aren't that many who are doing this trip on a regular basis given those costs ($48,438).  But if there were enough to fill say a sprinter, then perhaps something that size would make sense?

Now, another point, given the significant cost above, that indicates that there is a barrier to travel between ABX and WGA that may limit employment opportunities.  Ie, people have to fork out huge sums to work in the other town, either through paying to drive, or paying to move house.  Perhaps this suggestion by the Council does make sense in that it opens up new employment opportunities?
james.au
10L/100km is getting an older large car these days. My Aurion does 9L/100km at 140km/h average speed for the 90km Dubai to Abu Dhabi each day. My wife's Toyota Zelas which using the Camry engine and box gets 7L/100km doing the same into other side of Abu Dhabi 125km each way.

Back in early mid 2000's I was commuting Gladstone to Rockhampton (another place there is a the occasional call for local train), 110km, but I had a 91 Hilux Diesel surf, the drive was ok, mostly following a busy railway corridor. But I still stayed O/N in Rocky 3 nights a week. Average speeds of 90km/hr vs 140km/hr compared to UAE is alot of time and fuel. In Sydney its just time and far less fuel. In UAE its time and fuel, but not the cost, although not as cheap as it used to be.

Overall I suspect you are right and few are doing the commute now.

Connecting the two cities efficiently would expand the employment options and flexibility but it won't create jobs apart from a few train drivers.

In the end, I'm not sure this is the right thing to do and I doubt it would get used much, certainly less than a bus but sometimes I think you need to try to appease the voters and prove it once and for all. Unlikely most of rest of Australia, this track is actually pretty quick so it has this on its side.