The North Korea situation

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
So if Malcolm is thinking of joining in with the killing, do you we get to choose by postal vote first?

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
So if Malcolm is thinking of joining in with the killing, do you we get to choose by postal vote first?
bingley hall
Why do I remember some aussie PM talking about Weapons Of Mass Destruction held by another country???
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Why do they even need Australia to join in, if Kim puts a foot wrong with the US, he may receive a Soviet Missile as a gift Very Happy
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
A quick question, does anyone on here reckon this whole thing between the U.S and NK has gone too far now, I.E some sort of war will be inevitable, or do you think there are still prospects of getting NK to the negotiating table, the way things have played out over the last few days, it would seem like war is almost certain!

Kind Regards
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A quick question, does anyone on here reckon this whole thing between the U.S and NK has gone too far now, I.E some sort of war will be inevitable, or do you think there are still prospects of getting NK to the negotiating table,
"lsrailfan"
Neither. We have had this sort of argy-bargy many times. It's called brinkmanship, and the customary scenario is that both sides eventually shut up because they come to realize that they're talking through their hats. Both of them know that nobody will win a nuclear war. In common parlance, they're all piss and wind like the barber's cat.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I think we will know if this one goes too far because it will escalate very quickly after that, in just a handful of hours.

As Valvegear has pointed out, this is fairly routine from the North Korean end as they've tested the water once every few years for nearly 30 years now. The big news this time around is that Trump has surrendered the role of the adult in the room to the Chinese, who might play that slightly differently to how the role was played by Bush1/Clinton/Bush2/Obama and their diplomats.

To a certain degree, we have Bush2 to blame for this. Where Clinton had actually had some success in getting concessions on the DPRK's nuclear program, Bush2 went completely the other way and showed the DPRK (and Iran) that to get rid of their WMDs would be to invite a US invasion.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I think we will know if this one goes too far because it will escalate very quickly after that, in just a handful of hours.

As Valvegear has pointed out, this is fairly routine from the North Korean end as they've tested the water once every few years for nearly 30 years now. The big news this time around is that Trump has surrendered the role of the adult in the room to the Chinese, who might play that slightly differently to how the role was played by Bush1/Clinton/Bush2/Obama and their diplomats.

To a certain degree, we have Bush2 to blame for this. Where Clinton had actually had some success in getting concessions on the DPRK's nuclear program, Bush2 went completely the other way and showed the DPRK (and Iran) that to get rid of their WMDs would be to invite a US invasion.
justapassenger
It will I think lie in the hands of the generals, will they allow Boy Kim to lead them to destruction, they would all know they have no chance, their ground based military would be wiped out, anything that flew or floated would be blown out of the ski/water and even if they survived the USA/SK attack they wouldn't survive a people's uprising.

Even if they tried to preempt and started it with an invasion of SK, the initial missiles might do some damage but there would be a slaughter of the troops headed for Seoul.

What would China do? They don't want to go head to head with USA, that will not end well and they know it. I suspect they will ask the USA to stop shooting and invade NK to control the situation, take control of the country and prevent a mass exit to China.  

Trump is doing what Trump does best, chest beat and Kim has finally found a sparing partner and I'm actually not that annoyed as to be honest I am sick of NK and the world sucking up to them. Just cut them off, its been 30 years, you don't give a crap about the conditions the people live in so just build a bigger wall and cut all ties and shoot down anything military wise that tries to leave the country.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

What would China do? They don't want to go head to head with USA, that will not end well and they know it. I suspect they will ask the USA to stop shooting and invade NK to control the situation, take control of the country and prevent a mass exit to China.  
RTT_Rules
I heard a news report yesterday that China has said the following:-
1. Told the USA that if they (the USA) strike first, then China will back NK to the hilt.
2. Told NK If they (NK) strike first ......... then your on your own little Kym
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

What would China do? They don't want to go head to head with USA, that will not end well and they know it. I suspect they will ask the USA to stop shooting and invade NK to control the situation, take control of the country and prevent a mass exit to China.   I heard a news report yesterday that China has said the following:-
1. Told the USA that if they (the USA) strike first, then China will back NK to the hilt.
2. Told NK If they (NK) strike first ......... then your on your own little Kym
Pressman
Fair call,

Last time China and USA got involved in Korea, they left the mess we see today and I think at least 2m dead. This will be small fry compared to what would happen today.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Seems there is now a waiting game going on, Kim Jong-Un has been briefed on an attack proposal for Guam, but is opting to sit tight, and see what "the foolish Yankees" will do - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40931775

Kind Regards
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All ,

technically Australia , and other UN participants , are still at war with the DPRK as the 1953 Agreement is an Armistice only , and as the DPKR has not surrendered , and neither has a Peace Treaty been agreed to, so like it or not , a State of War Armistice is the current situation.

Best wishes and regards, Radioman.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Seems there is now a waiting game going on, Kim Jong-Un has been briefed on an attack proposal for Guam, but is opting to sit tight, and see what "the foolish Yankees" will do
israilfan
Translation, " I don't mind blustering and threatening, but I'm scared spitless at what will happen if I fire a missile at the Americans on Guam (or anywhere else)."
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Seems there is now a waiting game going on, Kim Jong-Un has been briefed on an attack proposal for Guam, but is opting to sit tight, and see what "the foolish Yankees" will do
Translation, " I don't mind blustering and threatening, but I'm scared spitless at what will happen if I fire a missile at the Americans on Guam (or anywhere else)."
Valvegear
More or less
  TrainLover222 Junior Train Controller

Location: ...And then all stations to Central
The only problem here is, that you have 2 unpredictable leaders at War, both Donald Trump and Kim Jon Un are both as mad as eachother, so it could lead to a conflict sooner than one thinks!

Kind Regards
lsrailfan
A bit bad to say that, isn't it? No matter your opinion, President Trump does not control the media and the establishment and runs a democracy. Kim Jong Un doesn't....
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Seems there is now a waiting game going on, Kim Jong-Un has been briefed on an attack proposal for Guam, but is opting to sit tight, and see what "the foolish Yankees" will do
Translation, " I don't mind blustering and threatening, but I'm scared spitless at what will happen if I fire a missile at the Americans on Guam (or anywhere else)."
Valvegear
And then the following day we had the US retreating from the brink as well, via a statement from Steve Bannon stating there is no military solution on the table for the US.

Well done to whoever it was that brought both sides together for the mutual backing down. I'd say it was probably China, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it was orchestrated by the Republic of Korea with the sweetener of confirming that they have quietly walked away from the policy of reunification.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Another North Korean missile flew over Northern Japan today, It broke into three pieces , and then landed in the sea.

Kind Regards
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Another North Korean missile flew over Northern Japan today, It broke into three pieces , and then landed in the sea.

Kind Regards
lsrailfan

This is not looking good and the Japanese must be pi5sed
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Of course all the usual suspects will wag their fingers at North Korea, and do nothing, when a Military option seems the only way to go , sad to say
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Was the launch a successful test? Was it aimed at a particular place/country. And missed/malfunctioned? High risk no dought. Armed conflict is I think now inevitable.
Boy racer has X nukes presently how many in 5-10 years?
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
North Korea is trying to upset japan and provoke them into a situation with the usa?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Was the launch a successful test? Was it aimed at a particular place/country. And missed/malfunctioned? High risk no dought. Armed conflict is I think now inevitable.
Boy racer has X nukes presently how many in 5-10 years?
michaelgm
The majority of tests appear to end in disaster. For that reason an armed conflict with North Korea would be crazy. Even if the Yanks nuked Kim, he has enough conventional firepower aimed at Seoul to decimate the city and kill thousands. Just not worth it. The only way this guy is going to be defeated is for say his army generals to realise what an end game would be and over throw him.

Having said that, I don't think any of the other players would want to support a basket case North Korea if it collapsed. Certainly not the Chinese. I think the only game to play is a wait and see game. Even if Trump ordered a massive strike, I am not sure his military would comply as I believe they are more sane than their present master.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Another North Korean missile flew over Northern Japan today, It broke into three pieces , and then landed in the sea.

Kind Regards

This is not looking good and the Japanese must be pi5sed
x31
Not really....
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
An Earthquake measuring 5.6 magnitude has been detected in North Korea, this is possibly another test of a Nuclear Warhead

Kind Regards
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
According to reports, North Korea has conducted a Hydrogen Bomb Test, if that is so, that really is a dangerous escalation, I fear we may be getting near the brink of no return here!!

Kind Regards
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
DPRK will claim hydrogen bomb, reality is it'll just be found to be a boosted fission bomb.

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