Gippsland Line Upgrade

 
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
They're just rail / track circuit cleaning trains. Both ways on both lines and loops between Traralgon and Longwarry. No idea why they're 6 car and not 3.
jakar
6 cars = double the number of wheels = twice the clean ???

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

You sound like you should be selling VLos, YM.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
They're just rail / track circuit cleaning trains. Both ways on both lines and loops between Traralgon and Longwarry. No idea why they're 6 car and not 3.
6 cars = double the number of wheels = twice the clean ???
YM-Mundrabilla
With flat wheels or grinding wheels  Razz

I'm off to put my hose bag on.

BigShunter.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
No idea why they're 6 car and not 3.
jakar
More wheels over the rail in lieu of a heavier diesel would be my guess. Not sure why they didn't "borrow" a full VPAX from PN and drag it around between a pair of Ps or a P & Y. I guess because no-one would be mainline qualified on either of those locos down in the Valley?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
No idea why they're 6 car and not 3.
More wheels over the rail in lieu of a heavier diesel would be my guess. Not sure why they didn't "borrow" a full VPAX from PN and drag it around between a pair of Ps or a P & Y. I guess because no-one would be mainline qualified on either of those locos down in the Valley?
Jack Le Lievre
Between an occo where track is lifted making it hard to get through, no one from PN probably having current quals down Gippsland, the fact that there may not be a VPAX wagon about and the Vlocity's were in Traralgon already anyway....
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
No idea why they're 6 car and not 3.
More wheels over the rail in lieu of a heavier diesel would be my guess. Not sure why they didn't "borrow" a full VPAX from PN and drag it around between a pair of Ps or a P & Y. I guess because no-one would be mainline qualified on either of those locos down in the Valley?
Jack Le Lievre
The general consensus from most people in the know is a 3 car should be sufficient for the task, but no doubt the boffins who decide on such matters have a reason for it. There's still people down in the valley qualified on those loco's, but when there is an abundance of Vlocities sitting around not doing much it makes more sense to utilize them then to bring in external equipment.
  vlocity27 Junior Train Controller

Location: Pakenham
Not a bad job getting paid to drive empty Vlocities between Traralgon - Longwarry all day.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

The old Stratford bridge must not be demolished IMHO.

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I think the best outcome is to have it properly photographed for the record, and let it go.
gippslander

My view has and always will be to keep it as a 'viewing platform'. It doesn't really make sense to keep it in full as part of the rail trail for the reasons discussed.

But to keep the earlier sections of it that you could walk along and take in the view, and depending on how much was kept, throw a fishing line off, would be definitely worth further debate in my opinion.

I've never understood why people are so eager to destroy old things. Probably always lived in a 'contemporary' houses while locking their grandparents and parents up in 'nursing' homes while they move on with 'progress' until it's their turn... *sigh
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

Sky rail was about ticking a box for the govt re level crossing removal....
davesvline

It was stated early on the sky rail was designed with future expansion in mind.

The issue is that it would involve getting rid of all that nice sunlight they sold skyrail on, and piss off the neighbours even more. So not an election winner this season.

The media didn't call out Allan when she said "it was a matter for a future government".

The quadrupled track will get the go ahead once varying options are tabled, discussed and had feasibility studies thrown at them. But because of the current situation and political climate, and then time to design and build, we are unlikely to see it this side of 2025.

$0.02
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The old Stratford bridge must not be demolished IMHO.
I've never understood why people are so eager to destroy old things. Probably always lived in a 'contemporary' houses while locking their grandparents and parents up in 'nursing' homes while they move on with 'progress' until it's their turn... *sigh
cabidass
I agree Cabidass but I think these days we have such a risk averse culture that the lawyers tell the powers that be that it is better to rip things down than to leave it there for some idiot to fall off of and then sue because no one told them it was dangerous to fall off a bridge.

BG
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

I actually disagree.
There was a big Public Liability scare from the late 90s to the mid naughties. But in recent times I've seen so many organisation and companies taking so many risks that it beggars belief.

Even councils don't fix footpaths that breach regulation limits straight away. They just mark it for replacement sometime in the next 12 months, and then say "well that's what insurance is for"...

You can go 228 metres down a narrow wooden shaft in the Central Deborah gold mine in Bendigo and no one bats and eyelid, and no one freaks out.

But here in Gippsland we're still living in 1994...

It's sad really. So much missed opportunity at the hands of idiots who have never lived anywhere else and grew up on the SEC purse.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
But here in Gippsland we're still living in 1994...
cabidass

Razz  Really, you got the numbers, mixed up, 1984 are these numbers.

BigShunter.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

It doesn't matter what you post on these forums, someone's always trying to.. rail ya.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

I forgot to mention too. On Wednesday there was a team running a narrow auger into the roadscape in varying spots along Lloyd and George St's at the crossing there in Moe. Fingers crossed it's soil testing for level crossing removal.

There must be an election coming or something...
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I forgot to mention too. On Wednesday there was a team running a narrow auger into the roadscape in varying spots along Lloyd and George St's at the crossing there in Moe. Fingers crossed it's soil testing for level crossing removal.

There must be an election coming or something...
cabidass
Sorry level crossing removal not on the cards.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

Yeah I'm not convinced. Maybe I'm dreaming.

But let's break down the facts.
1) It appears soil testing has been taking place around the Lloyd St Level Crossing.
2) It's an election year
3) The government built it's platform on level crossing removals (in Metropolitan Melbourne)
4) The government has been throwing money our way since the mine fire and Hazelwood closure.
5) Moe is in the (liberal held) seat of Narracan, but at last election was down 5%, to 55% of the vote
6) Morwell is a marginal seat.
7) Warragul received their underpass and upgrades in recent years
8) Traf, Moe, Morwell, and T'gon stations have two separate sets of upgrades, the first of which is already underway (the 2nd lot is duplication and second platforms coming soon) - This government loves rail. The people love rail once again.
9) Both sides of parliament and all tiers of government now have decentralization polices.  
10) The Lloyd St level crossing has been on the radar as an issue for decades.
11)  The government got an extra couple of billion from their Port of Melb sale with which it has to sway votes, and of which funding was dedicated to level crossing removals.
12) (And this one is a new one of which I just found out) Of the 1872 level crossings identified and prioritized in the 2008 ALCAM list, Lloyd St is listed as #174, with mostly Metro ones before it...

https://www.danielbowen.com/2017/09/27/level-crossing-removals-status/

I'm so excited a bit of wee came out. JK.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

You can buy adult nappies, sounds like you will be needing them.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Love your work cadibass
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

@cabidass could have a point; Moe soil testing has not been mentioned in the multitudinous RRR press releases.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
@cabidass could have a point; Moe soil testing has not been mentioned in the multitudinous RRR press releases.
potatoinmymouth

Won't the soil testing just be for track duplication through the crossing?

Ross
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Won't the soil testing just be for track duplication through the crossing?
Rossco T

More likely than not; I was simply commenting on its absence from publicity.

I can’t imagine the investment required there would produce a sufficient ballot box return.
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

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*puts multitudinous in mental Thesaurus for future use


Well normally I would agree that soil testing would be for the duplication. But it's the location of the drilling that offers me some hope. It happened through the tarmac, away from the rail, only around the crossing.

One doesn't soil test for your house in your neighbour's yard, and only on the circumference of his garage...
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
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Well normally I would agree that soil testing would be for the duplication. But it's the location of the drilling that offers me some hope. It happened through the tarmac, away from the rail, only around the crossing.

One doesn't soil test for your house in your neighbour's yard, and only on the circumference of his garage...
cabidass
If level crossings were to be removed In the Latrobe Valley, other one's on the hit list should be.

Bank Street Traralgon  

Tramway Road Maryvale/Morwell

Lardners Track Drouin East (North Line)
  cabidass Chief Train Controller

Bank st #240 (it's currently getting traffic lights).
Tramway Rd #190, but is a lot safer than the Moe one IMO given it runs directly across, as opposed to Moe of which two roads run parallel.
Lardners Track #253

(all in the 2008 priority list).
  nozza99 Station Master

Location: Warrnambool, Vic
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Well normally I would agree that soil testing would be for the duplication. But it's the location of the drilling that offers me some hope. It happened through the tarmac, away from the rail, only around the crossing.

One doesn't soil test for your house in your neighbour's yard, and only on the circumference of his garage...
If level crossings were to be removed In the Latrobe Valley, other one's on the hit list should be.

Bank Street Traralgon  

Tramway Road Maryvale/Morwell

Lardners Track Drouin East (North Line)
Nightfire

Waterloo Road Trafalgar would surely be up there...

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