The last 747 passenger jets left the building ( a few months back)

 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Whilst the types of plane I have been a passenger aboard is quite limited*, I found the A380 to be by far the best experience (Malaysia, economy class).

* B727, B737, B767, A320, A330, A380

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
727 was done with computers?
777 I think was first fully done on Autocad?
RTT_Rules
Was your above statement "727 was done with computers?" a typo?
Remember the 727-100 first flew in February 1963 as per wike as per the following URL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Whilst the types of plane I have been a passenger aboard is quite limited*, I found the A380 to be by far the best experience (Malaysia, economy class).

* B727, B737, B767, A320, A330, A380
Graham4405
I like anything that still has 2 seats in a block like B717, B767, A330 and A340 but these aircraft are becoming fewer as time passes. Almost all of my recent flying has been on B777 and A340 aircraft where I have found the A340 to give a 'pokey' appearance internally and the B777 to be more noisy.

I have yet to fly the A380 and am unlikely to do so it seems as everything going to my destinations these is  B777 plus the odd A350.
  M636C Minister for Railways

727 was done with computers?
777 I think was first fully done on Autocad?
Was your above statement "727 was done with computers?" a typo?
Remember the 727-100 first flew in February 1963 as per wike as per the following URL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727
petan
I've always assumed that the 727 and 737 were just scaled derivatives of the 707.

The fuselage structure was basically the same.
The wings were different, of course. But the 727 came from the 720, a 707 intended for shorter distance routes.
The 720 had the 707 wing but inboard of the engines the sweepback was increased by adding an additional section at the forward edge, called a "glove".

In the 727, the modified shape was incorporated in the wing structure and the engines were moved to the rear.

The 737 was further scaled down but retained the wing mounted engines.

Present 737s may have longer fuselages than the earliest 707s, of course. The present wing is a newer design.

But this shows the transition from four engines to two pretty clearly.

Peter
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Whilst the types of plane I have been a passenger aboard is quite limited*, I found the A380 to be by far the best experience (Malaysia, economy class).

* B727, B737, B767, A320, A330, A380
I like anything that still has 2 seats in a block like B717, B767, A330 and A340 but these aircraft are becoming fewer as time passes. Almost all of my recent flying has been on B777 and A340 aircraft where I have found the A340 to give a 'pokey' appearance internally and the B777 to be more noisy.

I have yet to fly the A380 and am unlikely to do so it seems as everything going to my destinations these is  B777 plus the odd A350.
YM-Mundrabilla
Although if you're in a 3 place bench and two of the seats are empty, it makes a good makeshift bed (if the armrests fold up).

I agree that Economy class in a B777 is ridiculously noisy.  A330 and A340 are SLOW compared with B747 and the newer Airbuses and Boeings.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Whilst the types of plane I have been a passenger aboard is quite limited*, I found the A380 to be by far the best experience (Malaysia, economy class).

* B727, B737, B767, A320, A330, A380
I like anything that still has 2 seats in a block like B717, B767, A330 and A340 but these aircraft are becoming fewer as time passes. Almost all of my recent flying has been on B777 and A340 aircraft where I have found the A340 to give a 'pokey' appearance internally and the B777 to be more noisy.

I have yet to fly the A380 and am unlikely to do so it seems as everything going to my destinations these is  B777 plus the odd A350.
Although if you're in a 3 place bench and two of the seats are empty, it makes a good makeshift bed (if the armrests fold up).

I agree that Economy class in a B777 is ridiculously noisy.  A330 and A340 are SLOW compared with B747 and the newer Airbuses and Boeings.
Carnot
As I'm over 1.9m tall, I go to some trouble to get exit row seats, even if a supplement (payable in FF points) is required.

In 2013 I flew Sydney to LA in the overwing exit row, aisle seat in a 380, with an empty seat next to me.
It was the smoothest and quietest flight I can recall although the view was non-existent.

In 2004 I flew Auckland to Buenos Aires in an A340, again in an overwing exit row. In that case, the crew seat opposite could be folded down to support my feet which gave a bed like aspect, not bad for straight economy. The same row in an A330 has the same feature, but the crew seat won't be empty for so long as in a trans Pacific flight.

I've found B767s not to be too bad. American had fitted theirs with winglets and were still using them in 2013 on long distance internal USA flights.

Peter
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
727 was done with computers?
777 I think was first fully done on Autocad?
Was your above statement "727 was done with computers?" a typo?
Remember the 727-100 first flew in February 1963 as per wike as per the following URL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727
petan
yes, thanks

Not done with computer. I believe man went into space on the back of slide rules and Computers was actually a job, not a machine.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
From my growing experience in the smeg- end being a leggy 1.92m tall.

A380, yes the most leg and bum room, for now, how long who knows once the planes age and they try and increase revenue to keep them in the air.

A340, two flights with Royal Jordanian, as these are hand me downs from a 4 star airline on long haul used on a 3hr run, the flight was comfy. Leaving Dubai it did however have a hi pitched squeal where everyone clapped when it finally stopped.

A330, mmm, experience is with Malaysian on 8th flights through the night and older models on EK on 4.5hr. Lets just say at I hate the night flights, zero chance at sleeping as too tight. On Dubai - HK with my then 4year old. Plane was 1/2 full and I still couldn't sleep well. the next leg to Aus we upgraded to BC and I was like so worth the money. My wife and other boy 2 days later had same ad felt same. Day flights are ok. A330 from Perth to Brisbane on QF was fine and comfortable.

B787, one flights Doha to Dubai, 1hr, with Qatar no F-n way will I ever book that plane with that airline again. We just did A320 Dubai-Doha-Venina and then return from Geneva and I thought especially out bound flights was great, heaps of leg room. The B787, new at the time, was a huge let down. Certainly not suitable for longhaul and my friend or slightly shorter height recently traveled Doha to J'burg (8-10hr) and immediately got off the plane at Sth Africa and said he was going to try and change flights coming back. I have since done a bit of search and some airlines have destroyed the reputation of the plane with tight seating and the box at your feet taking up what little room you have left.

B737/A320 - work horse. But I caught one in India that was previously owned by a defunct discount airline. I had to kneel at the seat. 28inch pitch just does not work for humans above 6 foot tall. Hostess let me sit in exit aisle during flight but not for landing as with small child.

B777 - As with A380, we typically go for back row or near back so boys close to toilet and you can stand at rear galley and chat with cabin crew and others to stretch my legs. Yes, its noisy. On older EK planes the leg room I think is extra tight and I did a 10h flight to Perth 2 years back I was crawling to get out and stopped the lady in front from putting seat back. I once traveled on a Thai Airlines version 9 across, that was nice. I'm expecting alot from 777-X

B767 - there is a industry rumor that a customer has ordered a few new ones. Currently Boeing has no passenger models on its books and hasn't done for a number of years. Also Boeing is looking at a replacement which goes against the 3 model Yellowstone project that Boeing announced some years back. Likely to be smaller to fill the gap between 737 and 787 and more suited to short haul/domestic as Boeing has finally realised Airbus is alone with its very popular A330 and now A330NEO.

B717, does the job. Looks cool.

A350 is something I look at from my planes, usually Qatari Airlines which we can no longer use. Maybe one day but not in a rush.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Broadly speaking air is a crude and uncivilised means of travel in zoo class.
On our longhaul flights if we cannot afford business class (BC) with one of the cheaper BC carriers from Oz to Europe (like Swiss, Austrian, SAS or Thai) we don't go. QANTAS is usually around 50%+ more expensive and the dodgy brothers a couple of hundred dollars cheaper than Swiss or Austrian etc.
With business class to Vienna or Zurich one can usually get free add ons to other European cities and avoid both Dubai and the dreaded Heathrow as well.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Interested in the remarks so far on ultra long range travel with B777, B787 and A380, especially when sitting in economy class seats, not the better seats up towards the front. In November 2017, (which is when I last checked this) the world’s longest route by distance was Qatar Airways’ 921 Auckland to Doha service at 7,848nm, operated by Boeing 777-2DZ(LR) /B77L.

Also in the ultra-long flight list is Emirates 449 Auckland to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, operated by A380 in November 2017.  

The flight distance from Hamad Int'l Airport (Doha) OTHH / DOH in Qatar to Dubai International Airport (DXB) in Dubai, United Arab Emirates is 238 miles (383 kilometers, 207 nautical miles). Thus, not a great difference between Qatar Airways’ 921 and Emirates 449 when considering the distance both travel from Auckland non-stop.

Both these two services often passes over either Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane or similar depending on the weather. I have taken the west bound flights from Auckland to the Middle East as longer (time not distance perhaps) or more difficult as apparently the usual prevailing winds mean it needs more fuel than the flights to Auckland from those two places. I am not a weather navigation expert.

I know the Qantas Sydney Dallas Texas QF7 / QF8  needed to be timetabled to refuel in Brisbane on the return trip against the prevailing winds when operated by B747-400 but the A380 now on the run goes Texas to Sydney straight through. I discovered the B747-8 has longer range (7992 nm) than the B747-400ER (7671 nm) which is the long range version of the B747-400 and Qantas has a few of the ER version. The A380 is shown as 8100nm on that website and the B787-9 is 8,313 nm. NM =nautical miles

http://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compare/747-8I/747-400ER/

EDIT; clarified what I meant with westbound being longer than eastbound between the same two places. Obviously similar distance either way but longer in time due to the prevailing winds etc, thus maybe more fuel to carry or less payload if already at max fuel capacity,
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Be interesting to see how the Perth - Heathrow 787 service goes in March.
It seems that some people love the 787 whilst others hate it.
18+ hours cooped up is too long for me so I will continue with the one stoppers in Bangkok/Singapore etc (if I ever go to Europe again).
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If you're in a hurry, I suppose you put up with 18 hours in a chicken coop at 37,000 feet, but it's not for me.
The first time I flew to the USA, it was Melbourne, Sydney, Nadi, Honolulu, San Francisco. Get off the sircraft at the stops, have a stroll, maybe a snack or drink, and it was fairly relaxed.
Coming back from Heathrow on two trips more recently, the 12 hours non-stop to Singapore was plenty for me. I stayed two nights in Singapore and then tackled the 7 hours to home. ( I think it may have something to do with age!)
  M636C Minister for Railways

If you're in a hurry, I suppose you put up with 18 hours in a chicken coop at 37,000 feet, but it's not for me.
The first time I flew to the USA, it was Melbourne, Sydney, Nadi, Honolulu, San Francisco. Get off the sircraft at the stops, have a stroll, maybe a snack or drink, and it was fairly relaxed.
Coming back from Heathrow on two trips more recently, the 12 hours non-stop to Singapore was plenty for me. I stayed two nights in Singapore and then tackled the 7 hours to home. ( I think it may have something to do with age!)
Valvegear
When flying to and from London via Bangkok, there was a hotel at the old International airport connected by a bridge to the terminal building. You could get off a QF 747 at about 2300, collect baggage, go through customs and immigration and walk to reception pushing your bags on the trolley provided.

Next day you could board a similar flight around 0001 and continue to London, with eight or so less flight hours than your fellow passengers. I think the hotel would hold your baggage at reception on request, so you didn't need to move it about until checking it in.

Apart from the convenience, the bridge from the terminal to the hotel crossed the main rail line north from Bangkok, and you could fill the daylight portion of your 24 hours watching or riding trains.

Later an elevated roadway spoiled the view, and the airport was replaced by a larger and more distant operation.

Peter
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Interested in the remarks so far on ultra long range travel with B777, B787 and A380, especially when sitting in economy class seats, not the better seats up towards the front. In November 2017, (which is when I last checked this) the world’s longest route by distance was Qatar Airways’ 921 Auckland to Doha service at 7,848nm, operated by Boeing 777-2DZ(LR) /B77L.

Also in the ultra-long flight list is Emirates 449 Auckland to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, operated by A380 in November 2017.  

The flight distance from Hamad Int'l Airport (Doha) OTHH / DOH in Qatar to Dubai International Airport (DXB) in Dubai, United Arab Emirates is 238 miles (383 kilometers, 207 nautical miles). Thus, not a great difference between Qatar Airways’ 921 and Emirates 449 when considering the distance both travel from Auckland non-stop.

Both these two services often passes over either Melbourne, Sydney or Brisbane or similar depending on the weather. I have taken the west bound flights from Auckland to the Middle East as longer (time not distance perhaps) or more difficult as apparently the usual prevailing winds mean it needs more fuel than the flights to Auckland from those two places. I am not a weather navigation expert.

I know the Qantas Sydney Dallas Texas QF7 / QF8  needed to be timetabled to refuel in Brisbane on the return trip against the prevailing winds when operated by B747-400 but the A380 now on the run goes Texas to Sydney straight through. I discovered the B747-8 has longer range (7992 nm) than the B747-400ER (7671 nm) which is the long range version of the B747-400 and Qantas has a few of the ER version. The A380 is shown as 8100nm on that website and the B787-9 is 8,313 nm. NM =nautical miles

http://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compare/747-8I/747-400ER/

EDIT; clarified what I meant with westbound being longer than eastbound between the same two places. Obviously similar distance either way but longer in time due to the prevailing winds etc, thus maybe more fuel to carry or less payload if already at max fuel capacity,
petan
The Qatar flight would be taking a bit longer and more distance at present, as they are currently banned from overflying the UAE and Saudi Arabia, thus have to divert a bit. Yesterdays flight from AKL-DOH took 16:50 - not for my old body either.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yes EC on long haul is basically a crime against humanity and not just the tiny leg room. Certain cultures refuse to wash or use deodorant. One flight in India the Steward lifted his arm and it was OMG.

When going home to Oz from Dubai, we have in past deliberately gone via Asia to enable the kids and I to walk around. Return was easy as we have rels in KL and Singapore or being a tourist in HK for a few nights. 8hr during mostly day is not hard to take.

I've paid for a few BC upgrades, MAS auctions BC, I bid one notch off minimum and was successful 4 out 4. $250/ seat for half a leg of Syd - Dubai makes the trip far easier to take. You certainly arrive at other end more human and can drive safely, especially for night flights. The desire to travel half way around the world non-stop is not mine.

Qantas is indicating that its ultra long 787 flights will have more leg and maybe bum room, this is great, but can they compete against the body crammers. Unfortunately at the end of the day we have no body but ourselves to plan for the EC squeeze.

However what pissses me off most is that the huge gap between EC and BC in fares and obviously standards. When you are tall and travelling with family the options are limited. You cannot go emergency exit row, cannot afford BC... Premium EC is thankfully becoming more common.

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In other news, EK has saved the A380 (for now). 20 planes ordered, 16 options. However EK has not fallen for the A380PLUS gimmick and for now not force its customer base into 11 across seating. Airbus is claiming this will encourage more airlines to order A380's, I think most do not share such confidence. The might get a few, but still need to replace the 30-40 planes on the order books that won't be taken up.  This order will however keep the A380 in production for another 3-4 years.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
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In other news, EK has saved the A380 (for now). 20 planes ordered, 16 options. However EK has not fallen for the A380PLUS gimmick and for now not force its customer base into 11 across seating. Airbus is claiming this will encourage more airlines to order A380's, I think most do not share such confidence. The might get a few, but still need to replace the 30-40 planes on the order books that won't be taken up.  This order will however keep the A380 in production for another 3-4 years.
RTT_Rules
Just wait for Singapore to try and work out how to make it a flying bus.

Airbus are desperately trying to get chinese airlines to buy them, but it seems unlikely.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Another non B747 long range Australian linked flight has started. United has added a third long-haul route from Sydney with the start of nonstop flights to Houston with Boeing 787-9s. The inaugural flight UA101, operated by Boeing 787-9 N35953, touched down at Sydney Airport a little after 0630 on Saturday 20 January 2018, following its 17-hour journey from Houston. Eastbound 15h 26m and westbound 17h 6m

United 101 Houston, IAH, Texas, to Sydney, 17h 6m total flight time, Distance Planned: 7,611 nm (Direct: 7,479 nm)

Route; (22 January 2018) BNDTO5 CRGER DCT JCT J2 FST/N0491F340 DCT KEYLO DCT HMO DCT 26N120W/M085F340 DCT 22N130W DCT 20N132W/M084F360 DCT 15N137W DCT 10N142W DCT 05N146W DCT BISOX DCT 08S157W/M085F380 DCT 10S160W DCT 17S170W/M084F400 DCT GURDI DCT 28S170E DCT TEKEP B450 LHI UH258 RIKNI N774 MARLN/M057F160

United 100, Sydney to Houston IAH, Texas, 15h 26m total flight time, Distance Planned: 7,537 nm (Direct: 7,479 nm)  
Route 22 January 2018 DCT DIPSO G595 GUTIV DCT DUDEP DCT NATLI DCT 27S163E DCT 21S170E/M084F370 DCT 15S180E DCT GOBIN/M084F390 DCT 05S168W DCT 00N160W DCT 07N150W DCT 14N140W DCT 19N130W DCT 23N120W DCT LTO/N0474F390 DCT REXAS DCT DEL DCT DLF DCT SAT  

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL100

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL101

Cheers
Peter Cokley
http://www.petan.net
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
United Parcel Service (UPS) just ordered more Boeing’s 747-8

Edit;    
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ups-orders-14-boeing-747-8f-jumbo-jets-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
  M636C Minister for Railways

United Parcel Service (UPS) just ordered more Boeing’s 747-8

Edit;    
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ups-orders-14-boeing-747-8f-jumbo-jets-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
petan
Hasn't the USAF ordered two 747-8s for use as "Air Force One".

I imagine not much will be heard of these until they appear, assuming it is true....

Peter
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
United Parcel Service (UPS) just ordered more Boeing’s 747-8

Edit;    
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ups-orders-14-boeing-747-8f-jumbo-jets-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
Hasn't the USAF ordered two 747-8s for use as "Air Force One".

I imagine not much will be heard of these until they appear, assuming it is true....

Peter
M636C
Yes but they already exist.
Stowed in the desert somewhere.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

It seems that some people love the 787 whilst others hate it.
YM-Mundrabilla
the love-hate relationship is due to the fit out chosen by some airlines.

I caught Qatar 787 for 1h 3 years back, never again! Friend of mine of slightly shorter height did Qatar to J'burg recently. Hated it, won't be back.

If Qatar is back into Dubai, I will never book a Qatar 787 and a few other airlines I found on seat guru with same seating in EC.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
United Parcel Service (UPS) just ordered more Boeing’s 747-8

Edit;    
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ups-orders-14-boeing-747-8f-jumbo-jets-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
Hasn't the USAF ordered two 747-8s for use as "Air Force One".

I imagine not much will be heard of these until they appear, assuming it is true....

Peter
Yes but they already exist.
Stowed in the desert somewhere.
YM-Mundrabilla
Two planes built for a Russian Airline that went broke before delivery as been offered and I believe accepted by the Air Force for AF1 and 2 replacements.

The go/no go was
- Have the planes ever left US soil? - No, Tick
- Have the planes ever been accessed by a Non- Boeing representative? No - Tick
- Have the planes ever been used by others?, No - Tick
- Have the planes ever been out of Boeing's hands and security? No - Tick

As the planes were not built using the buddy system, the two air frames must be partially stripped and re-built and at same time converted to AF1/2 standards under the Buddy system using hand picked heavily security checked employees under full 24/7 video surveillance during each part of the assembly and manufacture of key components. (I went on a Boeing 747 factory Tour a few years back, they gave us a run down of the AF1 and other presidential security requirements.)
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
United Parcel Service (UPS) just ordered more Boeing’s 747-8

Edit;    
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ups-orders-14-boeing-747-8f-jumbo-jets-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
petan
747-8F, just to be picky
  M636C Minister for Railways

United Parcel Service (UPS) just ordered more Boeing’s 747-8

Edit;    
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ups-orders-14-boeing-747-8f-jumbo-jets-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
Hasn't the USAF ordered two 747-8s for use as "Air Force One".

I imagine not much will be heard of these until they appear, assuming it is true....

Peter
Yes but they already exist.
Stowed in the desert somewhere.
Two planes built for a Russian Airline that went broke before delivery as been offered and I believe accepted by the Air Force for AF1 and 2 replacements.

The go/no go was
- Have the planes ever left US soil? - No, Tick
- Have the planes ever been accessed by a Non- Boeing representative? No - Tick
- Have the planes ever been used by others?, No - Tick
- Have the planes ever been out of Boeing's hands and security? No - Tick

As the planes were not built using the buddy system, the two air frames must be partially stripped and re-built and at same time converted to AF1/2 standards under the Buddy system using hand picked heavily security checked employees under full 24/7 video surveillance during each part of the assembly and manufacture of key components. (I went on a Boeing 747 factory Tour a few years back, they gave us a run down of the AF1 and other presidential security requirements.)
RTT_Rules
I seem to recall this process was being applied to four EH101s for Marine One duty that had presumably been assembled in the USA, I can't remember the contractor, maybe Northrop Grumman. There was a flying prototype converted from a European built aircraft. This was violently opposed by Sikorsky who felt their aircraft should have been adopted.

Eventually the costs were so high that they had to get the project re-authorised by Congress and Sikorsky were able to lobby to have the project cancelled.

The result is that the Marines are still flying the President around in H-3 Sea Kings that probably carried John Kennedy to and from his 707s. I worry a little every time I see Trump fly in one (and I don't even like him much).

Nobody will try to get Boeing thrown out because nobody has an alternative. Clearly even an A380 completely built in the USA wouldn't be acceptable since Airbus is a European company. But it is going to cost a lot...

Peter
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

United Parcel Service (UPS) just ordered more Boeing’s 747-8

Edit;    
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ups-orders-14-boeing-747-8f-jumbo-jets-2018-2?r=US&IR=T
Hasn't the USAF ordered two 747-8s for use as "Air Force One".

I imagine not much will be heard of these until they appear, assuming it is true....

Peter
Yes but they already exist.
Stowed in the desert somewhere.
Two planes built for a Russian Airline that went broke before delivery as been offered and I believe accepted by the Air Force for AF1 and 2 replacements.

The go/no go was
- Have the planes ever left US soil? - No, Tick
- Have the planes ever been accessed by a Non- Boeing representative? No - Tick
- Have the planes ever been used by others?, No - Tick
- Have the planes ever been out of Boeing's hands and security? No - Tick

As the planes were not built using the buddy system, the two air frames must be partially stripped and re-built and at same time converted to AF1/2 standards under the Buddy system using hand picked heavily security checked employees under full 24/7 video surveillance during each part of the assembly and manufacture of key components. (I went on a Boeing 747 factory Tour a few years back, they gave us a run down of the AF1 and other presidential security requirements.)
I seem to recall this process was being applied to four EH101s for Marine One duty that had presumably been assembled in the USA, I can't remember the contractor, maybe Northrop Grumman. There was a flying prototype converted from a European built aircraft. This was violently opposed by Sikorsky who felt their aircraft should have been adopted.

Eventually the costs were so high that they had to get the project re-authorised by Congress and Sikorsky were able to lobby to have the project cancelled.

The result is that the Marines are still flying the President around in H-3 Sea Kings that probably carried John Kennedy to and from his 707s. I worry a little every time I see Trump fly in one (and I don't even like him much).

Nobody will try to get Boeing thrown out because nobody has an alternative. Clearly even an A380 completely built in the USA wouldn't be acceptable since Airbus is a European company. But it is going to cost a lot...

Peter
M636C
The President's current VH-3 Sea King was built in 1976 to replace JFK's chopper.  It'll soon be replaced with a Sikorsky VH-92.  And as have you've mentioned, it's been a drawn out comedy...  How does $4.7 billion for 23 helicopters at $205 million each sound?  

I hate to think how much a new Air Force One will cost.  Lots of snouts in the trough again I imagine.

It'll need an expensive fridge too:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/26/donald-trump-refrigerator-air-force-one

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