Hurstbridge Line Upgrade Stage 2

 
  Lockie91 Train Controller

*** MEDIA RELEASE ***


Commuters on the Hurstbridge line will have more trains, more seats and fewer delays with a re-elected Andrews Labor Government to continue its massive upgrade of the Hurstbridge line.
The Andrews Labor Government said it would deliver locals in Melbourne’s north-east more peak hour train services and less time stuck at boom gates, and we have.
The first stage of the Hurstbridge Line Upgrade has been delivered – six months early and on budget. This includes the new Rosanna Station, duplicated track between Heidelberg and Rosanna and the removal of the dangerous level crossings at Alphington and Rosanna.
There’s more to do and only Labor will deliver the next stage of the Hurstbridge Line Upgrade to give local commuters more train services and a more comfortable commute.
The $530 million project will include a brand new train station at Greensborough and the duplication of three kilometres of track between Greensborough and Montmorency, and 1.5 kilometres of track between Diamond Creek and Wattle Glen to allow more train services during the morning peak.
This will allow trains to run every six and a half minutes at Greensborough, every 10 minutes at Eltham and Montmorency, and every 20 minutes at Hurstbridge, Diamond Creek and Wattle Glen – as well as two extra Hurstbridge express services.
Locals on the Labor Government’s new Mernda line will also get five extra train services during the morning peak, with a major upgrade of the Clifton Hill junction where the Mernda and Hurstbridge lines connect.
Labor will also protect the Eltham Trestle Bridge – the last remaining timber bridge on Melbourne’s electric train network – which has local heritage protection and is an important part of the area’s character.

The Liberals will leave this bridge to rot and demolish the nearby childcare centre and football club with their under-cooked and under-costed promise to upgrade the Hurstbridge line.

Only Labor will protect this important piece of Melbourne’s history with planning work to be carried out for a long-term solution as part of the project.
Stage two of the Hurstbridge Line Upgrade will create more than 950 jobs, with construction to start in 2020 and finish by 2022.

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  Lockie91 Train Controller

So... $530 Million.

Eltham trestle Bridge still hasn’t been solved, with the government duplicating around it. With a promise to continue to investigate.

Does anyone know what an upgraded Clifton Hill JNC looks like?

$530 million is a lot for 4.5km of duplicated track and one new station. Are we looking at complete separation at Clifton Hill? Possibly a new station as well?

Insight greatly appreciated.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Lockie91

Does anyone know what an upgraded Clifton Hill JNC looks like?
No but for this (soon to be ex) Victoria Park Station user that is the most interesting thing about this release.

Up South Morang services in the morning peak currently wait time between Rushall Station and the junction for what can be an eternity. Quite often you get to Vic Park and the PIDS says 3 minutes till the next train. 3 minutes must be tripped by the train passing some point near Rushall because often 5 minutes and 2 express services later the display still reads 3 minutes!

BG
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

This is good news. Yes originally the scope was between Greensborough to Eltham. Now it's changed with 2 seperate sections to avoid the trestle bridge. But eventually that section would also need to be upgraded in the future.

Also I like to see Labor get some upgrades on the Cranbourne line underway. Or maybe co-ordinate the Melton Electrification alongside with their Airport Rail commitment. Or consider joining the Upfield line to the Craigeburn line. These small intiatives on top of their huge flashy projects.

Also none of the parties have committed to Metro Tunnel 2. I wonder if that's just a dream or something. Who knows? Maybe the Metro 2 tunnel doesn't exist in the political minds.

I hope that the infrastructure they build isn't just vote grabbing seat exercise before an election but actually for the improvement for the whole network. I would hate to see wasted infrastructure built just to score votes. So much billions of dollars are going into these projects.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

Again with the "dangerous level crossings" line. Also what's wrong with the current Greensborough station?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The news report is stating trains every 6.5 minutes but the line where I am is already at capacity and the trains are already full as you get between Heidelberg and Clifton Hill.

There is also mention of the upgrade at Clifton Hill Junction which would mean what?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Excellent that the Bridge Aint going Very Happy
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

The news report is stating trains every 6.5 minutes but the line where I am is already at capacity and the trains are already full as you get between Heidelberg and Clifton Hill.

There is also mention of the upgrade at Clifton Hill Junction which would mean what?
bevans
"Its plan also includes money to "untangle" the junction of the Hurstbridge and Mernda lines at Clifton Hill to further improve train frequency."

If only that was the second Metro Tunnel... Seriously though, probably would mean they would build a flyover, something like that. That's what I reckon it would be.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

If only that was the second Metro Tunnel... Seriously though, probably would mean they would build a flyover, something like that. That's what I reckon it would be.
James974

It’s the obvious, cheap and straightforward solution. I’m not complaining.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
If the section from Montmorency to Eltham is to remain single track for the time being, then presumably the existing bridge at Eltham will continue in use?  I heard a news report on ABC radio to the effect that, eventually, two new single track bridges would be built, one on each  side of the existing bridge which would then be decommissioned.  If the old bridge is to become a community asset, e.g. bike path or walking track, then ths design (if true) could be a bad one because of access problems.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

If the section from Montmorency to Eltham is to remain single track for the time being, then presumably the existing bridge at Eltham will continue in use?  I heard a news report on ABC radio to the effect that, eventually, two new single track bridges would be built, one on each  side of the existing bridge which would then be decommissioned.  If the old bridge is to become a community asset, e.g. bike path or walking track, then ths design (if true) could be a bad one because of access problems.
Lad_Porter
There isn't any mention of what will happen except a commitment to "protect it" if the government is re-elected.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
This isn't the first time the Hurstbridge line has been upgraded. It was upgraded in the past, when it was re-signaled and swing gates and the Rosanna wigwag were replaced by flashing lights and boom barriers, bells being added to the crossings that previously had wooden gates. I wonder why the previous upgrade wasn't used as an opportunity to duplicate any track or grade separate any level crossings.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
This isn't the first time the Hurstbridge line has been upgraded. It was upgraded in the past, when it was re-signaled and swing gates and the Rosanna wigwag were replaced by flashing lights and boom barriers, bells being added to the crossings that previously had wooden gates. I wonder why the previous upgrade wasn't used as an opportunity to duplicate any track or grade separate any level crossings.
Myrtone
Simple answer, lack of funds available at the time.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Well, they certainly had enough to build freeways that would have each cost as much as grade separation of multiple level crossings.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Well, they certainly had enough to build freeways that would have each cost as much as grade separation of multiple level crossings.
Myrtone
The transport planers at the time probably see railways at the time as old outdated technology, where their beloved freeway building sachem was the future and was going to solve everything.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
If only that was the second Metro Tunnel... Seriously though, probably would mean they would build a flyover, something like that. That's what I reckon it would be.

It’s the obvious, cheap and straightforward solution. I’m not complaining.
potatoinmymouth
Will be interesting to see what they are proposing, I cannot remember off hand what the clearance is under the Heidelberg Road Bridge on the Down side of Clifton Hill Station but it would be unlikely to have enough room for a double stacked rail line, plus there is not a lot of distance between the junction of the 2 lines and the station so the grades would be pretty steep. I wonder if they can take the South Morang Up line under ground instead there being so close to the river.

Then knock P1 over completely and rebuild the station with an island, Down services to P3, Up SM to P2 and Up Hurstbridge to P1, there's plenty of room for that although there are some heritage considerations, I think the current P2 building is listed, not sure about P2 but it has some features that are considered rare.


I also wonder (and before you all pile on, I am thinking out loud here, I haven't written the thesis yet) whether it would be better to make an expanded Victoria Park station the interchange point between South Morang and Hurstbridge services for some trains and have them run express through CH - taking the morning peak for example most people using CH are either locals trying to get to the city or people jumping off on express Hurstbridge line service to change to a South Morang to get to Vic Park, Collingwood, North Richmond or West Richmond. That way SM trains would not have to queue up to wait for Hurstbridge express services to clear CH before they enter the station.


BG
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Just another cop out to the Nimby brigade.

Double track all the way is the only rational decision, EXCEPT.

Preserve the Eltham trestle is a must do.
That also includes preserving the attrative vista,  by setting back any new work ( ie 2 new bridge tracks) as far off as possible
That sort of means 20 meters to the south.
Shouldn't matter it's just all carpark, but nimbys love cars too, even in Eltham.

BUT, the real killer (pun intended) is all those trees that will fall under the chainsaw. In Eltham that is absolute heresy.

In an election year, no polly is going to go anywhere near mentioning trees.

cheers
John
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
The transport planers at the time probably see railways at the time as old outdated technology, where their beloved freeway building sachem was the future and was going to solve everything.
Nightfire
Which itself is ridiculous of them. Heavy rail was still better suited than anything else to high capacity fixed route land transport. There were surely no plans to close even most of the railways at that time, and there were some grade separations elsewhere during this period.
Also, I believe there may have been people at the time (highly visual thinkers) who could clearly see that freeway building wasn't going to solve nearly as much as thought but didn't do well enough at school to become transport planners.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Also, I believe there may have been people at the time (highly visual thinkers) who could clearly see that freeway building wasn't going to solve nearly as much as thought but didn't do well enough at school to become transport planners.
Myrtone
Is that the preface to your upcoming Autobiography? Laughing

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Just been through Clifton Hill on the Down this morning, there is nowhere near enough clearance to run the Up South Morang line over the Down Hurstbridge due to both the road bridge and the distance from the junction to the station.

This is what I assume they mean by Untangling Clifton Hill, it is this single crossover that causes all the delays, Dn South Morang is fine, it is just a deviation from the Dn Hurstbridge after the station and Up Hurstbridge is also OK as the Up SM doesn't join it till after the junction (they run parallel for a short distance).

The East side station building and platform are a modern-ish rebuild and ripe for demolition and rebuilding as an island, the old canopy could be re-used as it is a stand alone structure by the looks of it.

I will watch developments here with interest as even though I won't be using Vic Park regularly after next month this has been my hood for the best part of 30 years.

BG
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Why is Clifton hill the problem now with only two tracks south of that location trains have nowhere to do really.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Why is Clifton hill the problem now with only two tracks south of that location trains have nowhere to do really.
freightgate
Just too many trains passing through the junction.   Its fine if everything is like clockwork but when its not it can get hairy.   I'm not sure how many other stations in the country employ a system like park road in brisbane, where trains toward the cbd share two platforms.  Allows simultaneous arrivals on the island platform so the junction for trains heading south can be optimised better.
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner


Double track all the way is the only rational decision, EXCEPT.
justarider
Where are you ending the double track.  Double track all the way to hurstbridge is a waste, its pretty much a country branch beyond greensborough.  Duplication to eltham i can understand, ideally with a 3rd terminating platform.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Why is Clifton hill the problem now with only two tracks south of that location trains have nowhere to do really.
freightgate

Yes there are still only 2 tracks between Clifton Hill and Melbourne via Jolimont.  The centre track was removed (for some reason as it was used) when they did the second bridge over the Merri Creek which when completed they promised more trains for Hurstbridge which IIRC never happened.

The frequency of trains on the line after peak is really bad when you consider the schools and businesses across the line and Heidelberg being a major interchange.

The answer?

Pity there is no line now between Royal Park and the Rushall Triangle which in place would have allowed some trains to be routed via North Melbourne freeing up more slots for trains via Clifton Hill.

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