Work Starts To Get VLocity Trains For The North East Line

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 06 Aug 2018 10:40
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

I don't think this post is appropriate; did you feel you had to get in the last word? It's not as if Lindsay is in a position to reply to this
Before making such comments Lockspike its wise to check the facts first. Woodford/Lindsay was still actively posting at the time of my post and afterwards but chose not to respond for reasons only known to himself. So no Lockpsike, I was not trying to get in the last word. Any other insensitive comments you'd like to make?
jakar
I apologise jakar

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  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

I don't think this post is appropriate; did you feel you had to get in the last word? It's not as if Lindsay is in a position to reply to this
Before making such comments Lockspike its wise to check the facts first. Woodford/Lindsay was still actively posting at the time of my post and afterwards but chose not to respond for reasons only known to himself. So no Lockpsike, I was not trying to get in the last word. Any other insensitive comments you'd like to make?
jakar
jakar,
I apologise
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Im unsure which is the master thread for this but how are the SG bogies going regarding their sign off for use?  When might we expect to see them under a VLo and possibly out and about?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Im unsure which is the master thread for this but how are the SG bogies going regarding their signify for use?  When might we expect to see them under a VLo and possibly out and about?
james.au

James, have any dates been spoken of?

@Michelle12 rode the current service from Melbourne to Albury return recently and did comment on the trackwork being a problem on parts of the journey with speed restrictions.

Reading back over the thread the track upgrades were to coincide with the arrival of rolling stock.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Jacinta Allan said years ago that:

'Planning for the planning stage was under way.'

(Most of us will know what that means!)
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

A V’locity will probably do ok to Seymour, after that should survive to Albury for at least one trip if kept on the west track (old BG), but a trip on the east track will give Bombardier something to think about. And that’s assuming they are not following a canola train, if so any successful stop will be an achievement!
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Agree with those comments and make the point again we do not want those velocities on the Albury service. We need better trains than this proposal.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Im unsure which is the master thread for this but how are the SG bogies going regarding their sign off for use?  When might we expect to see them under a VLo and possibly out and about?

James, have any dates been spoken of?
bevans

Thats more or less what I was asking.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Agree with those comments and make the point again we do not want those velocities on the Albury service. We need better trains than this proposal.
freightgate
You might want better trains on longer distance services than V/Locities but after 5  years of promising a new generation country train, that is what Government has come up with  .

Now realistically the VL is a very reliable and proven train type which can run on existing country tracks wuth adequate lx protection at around 15 kmh higher than existing loco hauled speeds .  So  130kmh on Class 2 track,  115kmh on Class 3 track and  95 kmh on Class-4 track .

It makes a lot of sense from a maintenance and spares situation to have an all VL fleet   BUT we need two types :

1.  Inter City sets with greater provision for luggage space,  wider seats, and  catering facilities  and  Inter urban as now strictly for the Commuter runs.

2.  Then a Warrnambool  VL set can attach to a Commuter set which gets dropped off / attached at Waurn Ponds;  Bendigo for Swan Hill,  Seymour for Shepparton and  Traralgon for  Bairnsdale .
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Agree with those comments and make the point again we do not want those velocities on the Albury service. We need better trains than this proposal.
You might want better trains on longer distance services than V/Locities but after 5  years of promising a new generation country train, that is what Government has come up with  .

Now realistically the VL is a very reliable and proven train type which can run on existing country tracks wuth adequate lx protection at around 15 kmh higher than existing loco hauled speeds .  So  130kmh on Class 2 track,  115kmh on Class 3 track and  95 kmh on Class-4 track .

It makes a lot of sense from a maintenance and spares situation to have an all VL fleet   BUT we need two types :

1.  Inter City sets with greater provision for luggage space,  wider seats, and  catering facilities  and  Inter urban as now strictly for the Commuter runs.

2.  Then a Warrnambool  VL set can attach to a Commuter set which gets dropped off / attached at Waurn Ponds;  Bendigo for Swan Hill,  Seymour for Shepparton and  Traralgon for  Bairnsdale .
kuldalai
Totally agree - there needs to be more commonality than less.  Lets not create more break of gauge.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Agree with those comments and make the point again we do not want those velocities on the Albury service. We need better trains than this proposal.
freightgate

I'm afraid you'll be getting used to 'those velocities on the Albury service' as that's whats coming along, for sure, definitely and without hesitation.

However they may have a different interior of which I know nothing about at this time.

Again, what 'better trains' do you suggest Question

Mike.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Agree with those comments and make the point again we do not want those velocities on the Albury service. We need better trains than this proposal.
freightgate
Building a completely new platform for 10 trains at the most is wasteful. It is either rebuild the classic fleet and locos or build long distance stock based on the velocity. The Government chose the latter.


Michael
  NimbleJack Station Master


I'm afraid you'll be getting used to 'those velocities on the Albury service' as that's whats coming along, for sure, definitely and without hesitation.

However they may have a different interior of which I know nothing about at this time.

Again, what 'better trains' do you suggest Question

Mike.
The Vinelander

At this stage: three cars, pokey little buffet module, improved seating, no first class. They should be out and about by the end of next year.
  NimbleJack Station Master

1.  Inter City sets with greater provision for luggage space,  wider seats, and  catering facilities  and  Inter urban as now strictly for the Commuter runs.

2.  Then a Warrnambool  VL set can attach to a Commuter set which gets dropped off / attached at Waurn Ponds;  Bendigo for Swan Hill,  Seymour for Shepparton and  Traralgon for  Bairnsdale .
kuldalai

Not going to happen on broad gauge. People are surviving the four-hour trip to Bairnsdale aboard standard VLocitys just fine. No one complains about the lack of wifi, fluffy foot-rests or taxpayer-subsidised toxic coffee.

Warrnambool and Swan Hill will be the last long-distance lines to lose their classic service. Running times will be well under four hours for both once the lines are fixed and VLocitys assume the mantle - potentially under three hours in the case of Warrnambool. There will be nothing special about the trains that go there.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon

I'm afraid you'll be getting used to 'those velocities on the Albury service' as that's whats coming along, for sure, definitely and without hesitation.

However they may have a different interior of which I know nothing about at this time.

Again, what 'better trains' do you suggest Question

Mike.
At this stage: three cars, pokey little buffet module, improved seating, no first class. They should be out and about by the end of next year.
NimbleJack

How depressing.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

I'm afraid you'll be getting used to 'those velocities on the Albury service' as that's whats coming along, for sure, definitely and without hesitation.

However they may have a different interior of which I know nothing about at this time.

Again, what 'better trains' do you suggest Question

Mike.
At this stage: three cars, pokey little buffet module, improved seating, no first class. They should be out and about by the end of next year.
How depressing.
8077

Pax travelling on airlines routinely put up with much worse accommodations than standard V'Locity's with tiny toilets, cramped seating, very little pitch between seats which are hard as nails with cushions smaller than cheap kitchen chairs...and up to 4 hours at a time.

Mike.
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Why should those of us who use trains?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@8077 What do you propose to replace the Velocity? There is really no point in introducing a new platform for sich a small number of trains.

Michael
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, VIC
@8077 What do you propose to replace the Velocity? There is really no point in introducing a new platform for sich a small number of trains.

Michael
mejhammers1
What have I missed here? Why do you keep mentioning a new platform?

The term 'platform' usually has a different meaning in the railway world than what you're referring to. Unless I'm mistaken and V/Locity trains are somehow the only ones that will fit at our platforms come 2021/22.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

What have I missed here? Why do you keep mentioning a new platform?

The term 'platform' usually has a different meaning in the railway world than what you're referring to. Unless I'm mistaken and V/Locity trains are somehow the only ones that will fit at our platforms come 2021/22.
Contrillion

Can also be used quite legitimately to mean a series of related rollingstock models, as Mike is using it here. Eg the Hitachi A-train is a platform on which several dozen different classes in Japan and Britain have been created.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Why should those of us who use trains?
8077
So what trains are you referring to, certainly not a V'lo, not the ones I have used, that's for sure.

Mike travels from Ballan and return every day and has done since Adam was a lad, BG to Castlemaine and more than likely numerous others, don't think either of the two are suffering any major discomfort.

BigShunter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Why should those of us who use trains?
So what trains are you referring to, certainly not a V'lo, not the ones I have used, that's for sure.

Mike travels from Ballan and return every day and has done since Adam was a lad, BG to Castlemaine and more than likely numerous others, don't think either of the two are suffering any major discomfort.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Yep, as I have posted previously I get the 07.41 Down Swanners hauled by an N Class and the 17.08 Up Southern Cross hauled by a VL twice a week each on average. Give me the Velo anytime for speed, comfort and not having your fillings shaken out by the tired old stock. Working on the laptop is almost impossible on the Loco haul as it shakes, rattles and rolls it's slow journey North.

Last week one of my morning services was replaced by a Velo and whilst i felt sorry for the poor buggers getting bustituted from The Go to Swan Hill I did a little dance (on the inside of course) when that VL hoved into view at Footscray.

The VL makes up so much time on the timetable in these circs that it has to slow to a crawl in spots or wait time at stations for the timetable to catch up to the train. The same timetable that the N class very rarely manages to keep to.

Signed One of Us Who Uses Trains.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

BG is right. An N-set shakes itself silly on the Bendigo line when coming down Chewton Bank and elsewhere.  It'll be interesting to compare a Vlo and N-set on the Albury line though.

Swan Hill will be the last holdout for loco hauled trains. Isn't Warrnambool going to Vlo soon as well?

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