Work Starts To Get VLocity Trains For The North East Line

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 06 Aug 2018 10:40
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
Why should those of us who use trains?
So what trains are you referring to, certainly not a V'lo, not the ones I have used, that's for sure.

Mike travels from Ballan and return every day and has done since Adam was a lad, BG to Castlemaine and more than likely numerous others, don't think either of the two are suffering any major discomfort.

BigShunter.

Ballan to Melbourne and vv is hardly a long jourmey (although at times with delays it might feel like it).  59 minutes on some services as timetabled.

Albury is according to https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/90b9a59e-f637-4c36-973c-02e404ba4266/Albury-Wodonga-Melbourne-(via-Wangaratta,-Bena-(1) 4 hours now 4 times as long.  I think people on longer journey's need a better seating plan, better on board services and more comfort.

The slated Vline timetable changes have an additional service to Warnnambool which I have heard will be a VLO.
bevans
Oh do keep up !

Warnnambool gets another service, which will be all VLO, when the last of the LX are fully protected.
Then the trains can truly stretch their legs and shave 30 minutes off the TT, and not suffer the inevitable N class breakdowns.
https://regionalrailrevival.vic.gov.au/warrnambool
The project is about 12 months to go.

The "slated vline change" is just making the Saturday an express. "additional" is a Geelong service following to pick up the SAS.

Albury is in similar situation. Waiting for ARTC to fix the goat track.
Then VLO can get up to speed, saving at least 30 minutes, and coincidentally so also can the XPT

VLO seats are already similar to the N first class in dimension, and believe it not better ergonomically designed.
The SG version of VLO will also include a buffet car, as has been mentioned repeatedly in this thread, yet many seem to just ignore.

Until pax numbers can pay for better, what luxury do you think the low priced service deserves?

cheers
John

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
BG is right. An N-set shakes itself silly on the Bendigo line when coming down Chewton Bank and elsewhere.  It'll be interesting to compare a Vlo and N-set on the Albury line though.

Swan Hill will be the last holdout for loco hauled trains. Isn't Warrnambool going to Vlo soon as well?
Shakes or hunts?  There is a history of vehicles hunting while difting at high on the chewton bank.

Its a wheel/rail profile and aguge issue on top of a compatitively short wheel base and ywa stiffness.  Read - it can be sorted out of the attention was paid to it
skitz

It's shaking....like up and down movements...enough as BG says to rattle the fillings out of your teeth which can be compared to the worst bus journeys in ride comfort. Also near Ravenswood is bad...and north of Harcourt near the cemetery. Shocking shaking...definitely not hunting, or more correctly...yawing which are side to side movements AFAIK.

Mike.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
BG is right. An N-set shakes itself silly on the Bendigo line when coming down Chewton Bank and elsewhere.  It'll be interesting to compare a Vlo and N-set on the Albury line though.

Swan Hill will be the last holdout for loco hauled trains. Isn't Warrnambool going to Vlo soon as well?
Shakes or hunts?  There is a history of vehicles hunting while difting at high on the chewton bank.

Its a wheel/rail profile and aguge issue on top of a compatitively short wheel base and ywa stiffness.  Read - it can be sorted out of the attention was paid to it

It's shaking....like up and down movements...enough as BG says to rattle the fillings out of your teeth which can be compared to the worst bus journeys in ride comfort. Also near Ravenswood is bad...and north of Harcourt near the cemetery. Shocking shaking...definitely not hunting, or more correctly...yawing which are side to side movements AFAIK.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Then there's the coupler slack, draught packages on N classes which are well beyond their use by dates, broken air cons, toilets etc, etc etc. The sooner one set of N class carriages is plinthed at North Williamstown and the rest head on down to Sims the better. As for the locos, they can be sold off to the highest (if any) bidder.

The future is DMU / EMU or similar and the sooner the better.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

One can have both vertical and lateral hunting , set off by  rollingstock or track or combination of both .  Best report the precise locations and Up or down track if duplicated track section to  VLP Feedback and they can get track maintenance people to look at it .
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
One can have both vertical and lateral hunting , set off by  rollingstock or track or combination of both .  Best report the precise locations and Up or down track if duplicated track section to  VLP Feedback and they can get track maintenance people to look at it .
kuldalai

They are unlikely to do anything about it.

The coupler slack, combined with the exaggerated up and down movement has been there since the RFR re-opened the Bendigo line over 10 years ago, but because the V'Locity's handle the rough riding sections ok there's little point.

It's well known even today that the Geelong and Ballarat lines got the best makeovers back in the RFR upgrades and Gippsland and Bendigo were a distant second. Nothing's changed.

Mike.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
So...let's be understood.

This is the next key stage towards delivering the upgrade to the North East line and one step closer to improved reliability, smoother journeys and reduced causes of major delays for passenger services between Melbourne and Albury"
....says ARTC head honcho...
So...This is the upgrade of the upgrade of the upgrade of the upgrade of the upgrade over the past 12 years...not to mention the ad-hoc upgrades where the track condition was so bad that trains broke apart due to the chronic undulations of the initial upgrade where trains lurched from mudhole to mudhole.


After this 'upgrade' the Andrews government hopes to introduce V'Locity's to the NE.

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Anybody seen the mudholes at the East end of platforms 4 and 5 at Flinders Street and also on the old South Viaduct (whatever it is called these days).
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
Anybody seen the mudholes at the East end of platforms 4 and 5 at Flinders Street and also on the old South Viaduct (whatever it is called these days).
YM-Mundrabilla
I did see an enormous mud holes at the end of Platform 5   at the end of Flinders Street ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

then I realised that it was a portal to another dimension.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

And back to Vinelander’s post. Funny how the narrow gauge works go to...isn’t that the mob who did the re-sleepering 10 or so years ago?
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

And back to Vinelander’s post. Funny how the narrow gauge works go to...isn’t that the mob who did the re-sleepering 10 or so years ago?
hbedriver
Yep, they did it, under instruction (as told to me by some who were there)
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Be careful read the obfuscation and spin carefully re Warrnambool .  The new loop at Boorcan will allow for the introduction of a fifth Weekday return trip to Warrnambool. This will initially be most likely an N set as a mid morning Down and early afternoon Up. The new Boorcan loop will also allow for the 0925  Up to depart either 40 minutes or 80 minutes earlier attracting much better patronage and getting into Geelong mid morning and Melbourne before Noon . Also the 1713 Down will be able to depart around 1545 getting into Warrnambool just after 1900 again attracting more patronage.  

Three N sets can currently run four return trips a day, but can also run the fifth return trip as well .

The spin doctors keep saying -  paving the way for V/locity trains to operate to Warrnambool .

So V/Locity to Warrnambool will be a later stage after Albury gets first V/Locitys .  V/Locity to Warrnambool at 130kmh with all lx protected has the potential of trip time under 3 hours.

Until then we wait for the Warrnambool Rail Revival "snail" to get up some speed, twelve months since tenders called and still no contract let.

A few less re-announcements of previous announcements and a little more action would be appreciated by the long suffering Warrnambool punters.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Anybody seen the mudholes at the East end of platforms 4 and 5 at Flinders Street and also on the old South Viaduct (whatever it is called these days).
YM-Mundrabilla
I knew that they were mudholes as the big one at the east end of platform 4 had 'MUD' graffitied on the sleepers at each end (until even most of that was covered in mud'. It's been there for around six months so far.
Given that the platform mud holes are both under the concourse one wonders where the water (or whatever it is ?) comes from.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Geelong, Victoria
The new loop at Boorcan will allow for the introduction of a fifth Weekday return trip to Warrnambool.
kuldalai
I assume this will eliminate the use of the siding at Camperdown for crosses?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I assume this will eliminate the use of the siding at Camperdown for crosses?
Contrillion
That is the main point of it, yes. Get your set backs while you can folks!
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/new-and-upgraded-trains-and-trams/new-train-and-tram-orders#VlocityNE
Finalised design, 3D Renders at the bottom of the page.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
https://transport.vic.gov.au/our-transport-future/our-projects/new-and-upgraded-trains-and-trams/new-train-and-tram-orders#VlocityNE
Finalised design, 3D Renders at the bottom of the page.
Goose13

Great to see the final interior design of the 18 new cars to become the V/Line SG fleet. The naysayers will now be silenced as the catering module is obvious in the final deign, however the loss of 1st class will be missed.

Mike.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Excellent post Goose, very informative great looking units and just going through the list a Heap of construction all happening locally Razz how good is that !

Will a set of these ever make it to Adelaide Laughing or to that rather large town in the North West of the state Wink MikeLander Express !!

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am glad the new design has what it has.  Buffet services are going to be a much the same as the current loco fleet and will not include seats to consume your food and drink.

The Floor Plan:


I know I am pushing it but why not build 2 more sets than required so they can rotate maintenance and also run some community test services to the west?
  skitz Chief Commissioner

I am glad the new design has what it has.  Buffet services are going to be a much the same as the current loco fleet and will not include seats to consume your food and drink.

The Floor Plan:


I know I am pushing it but why not build 2 more sets than required so they can rotate maintenance and also run some community test services to the west?
bevans
I also wonder about detail such as having a fourth car (unpowered) or is one of these three unpowered?
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
I am glad the new design has what it has.  Buffet services are going to be a much the same as the current loco fleet and will not include seats to consume your food and drink.
The Floor Plan:

I know I am pushing it but why not build 2 more sets than required so they can rotate maintenance and also run some community test services to the west?
bevans
re-read the spec. @bevans
4 Shared tables in the middle car, and fold-down tables for the rest of seats.
WOT ? you expected fine dining car like on the Orient express ?

cheers
John
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
I am glad the new design has what it has.  Buffet services are going to be a much the same as the current loco fleet and will not include seats to consume your food and drink.

I know I am pushing it but why not build 2 more sets than required so they can rotate maintenance and also run some community test services to the west?
I also wonder about detail such as having a fourth car (unpowered) or is one of these three unpowered?
skitz
3 powered cars as per all other Velo.
Add a 4th car and muck around with the design dynamics of the fleet - power:weight:length:braking ?  doubt it.

cheers
John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
re-read the spec. @bevans
4 Shared tables in the middle car, and fold-down tables for the rest of seats.
WOT ? you expected fine dining car like on the Orient express ?

cheers
John
justarider

The layout of the buffet car on the Spirit of Queensland was perfect.  You could grab some food and drink and sit at a table to break up the journey.  You guys are going to complain but I don't think this is too much to ask.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bored at home
re-read the spec. @bevans
4 Shared tables in the middle car, and fold-down tables for the rest of seats.
WOT ? you expected fine dining car like on the Orient express ?

cheers
John

The layout of the buffet car on the Spirit of Queensland was perfect.  You could grab some food and drink and sit at a table to break up the journey.  You guys are going to complain but I don't think this is too much to ask.
bevans
comparing a 24hr overnight tourist train to short 31/2 hr inter-city. That makes sense NOT.
Why not add an observation car too?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
re-read the spec. @bevans
4 Shared tables in the middle car, and fold-down tables for the rest of seats.
WOT ? you expected fine dining car like on the Orient express ?

cheers
John

The layout of the buffet car on the Spirit of Queensland was perfect.  You could grab some food and drink and sit at a table to break up the journey.  You guys are going to complain but I don't think this is too much to ask.
comparing a 24hr overnight tourist train to short 31/2 hr inter-city. That makes sense NOT.
Why not add an observation car too?
justarider

Now you are being silly

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