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      drunkill Junior Train Controller

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Well, this is a gamechanger.

    Announcement video: https://www.facebook.com/DanielAndrewsMP/videos/268286560488175/

    Strategic Assessment: https://bigbuild.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/325572/Suburban-Rail-Loop-Strategic-Assessment.pdf


    ~12 new underground stations as well as interchanges with existing stations across all major existing train lines.

    Cheltenham, Clayton, Monash, Glen Waverly, Burwood, Box Hill, Doncaster, Bundoora, Heidleberg, Reservoir, Fawkner, Broadmeadows, Airport, Sunshine, Werribee.




    A 'real map' possible route alignment by Tayser from the skyscrapercity forums with added optional stations in green:
    https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1JqtsS3n4Hurzi69zPIWU-Niq35IoaFTz&ll=-37.86127040322404%2C145.0106653834473&z=11

    https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=151751622&postcount=89
    Just did a quick measure via gmaps - using the most direct lines/routes between the nominated stations I get to 95km.

    The western side of the city is very awks and can see why the map even the gov produced is a bit wtf - L2 mentioned above if the Sunshine-Werribee section is the quad-tracks plus third side of the west Werribee triangle along the RRL alignment, the total length blows out to 112km (but admittedly, apart from 4-5km around sunshine, it's on the surface, not underground).

    ....

    The first phase (Cheltenham-Box Hill) measures 24km.
    The second phase (Box Hill-Airport) measures 35km.
    The third phase direct (Airport-Sunshine-Werribee) measures 38km
    The third phase alternative (Airport-Sunshine-Regional Rail Link-Werribee) measures 53km.

    The stations in purple - what the government unveiled.

    The stations in Green - my suggestions (East Keilor and Heatherton).
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 07:29

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      Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

    RP is going to implode with this one.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 07:41
      Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

    We will see at least 172 new prime ministers before this ever gets built.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 08:04
      melbtrip Chief Commissioner

    Location: Annoying Orange
    Sounds to me it an April fool joke, it bit too late for be an April fools joke.Wink
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 08:05

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      jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Near Caulfield Station
    This is a game changer, linking up the arms of the octopus seems to be the main aim.

    My personal opinion is that if this ever comes to fruition, then it will be of massive benefit to Melbourne. A middle suburban link between all the rail lines that takes in a majority of the major trip generators of education & employment precincts will take the strain off the rest of the network - people won't have to go into Richmond or the city to change. You would assume the new line is designed for HCMT's running at a high frequency which would be the only way to make this work.

    No matter what people think, this is forward thinking. Obviously it's been cooking up in the minds of transport planners for a while - things like this don't get thought up overnight.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 08:40
      skitz Chief Commissioner

    This is a game changer, linking up the arms of the octopus seems to be the main aim.

    My personal opinion is that if this ever comes to fruition, then it will be of massive benefit to Melbourne. A middle suburban link between all the rail lines that takes in a majority of the major trip generators of education & employment precincts will take the strain off the rest of the network - people won't have to go into Richmond or the city to change. You would assume the new line is designed for HCMT's running at a high frequency which would be the only way to make this work.

    No matter what people think, this is forward thinking. Obviously it's been cooking up in the minds of transport planners for a while - things like this don't get thought up overnight.
    jdekorte
    I agree.  10 points for vision.  The drivers for development on this ring would be immense.

    Wait for the detail to come out.  One imagines Sandringham would be a good start, that kind of thinking, etc. etc. etc.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 08:57
      chomper Junior Train Controller

    Looks like someone finally listened to old mate:

    https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11397312.htm

    This isn't a game changer; should it be built, it has the potential to destroy the game.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:05
      Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

    @skitz

    I don’t think there will be drivers on this one. Given the size, expected patronage and it’s high frequency; I would expect fully automated metro line. As we are seeing in Sydney, London and Paris.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:28
      Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

    Location: On a Thing with Internet
    Metro 1.5.
    One is to wonder what the ratio of Above and underground Operations there shall be.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:32
      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    We will see at least 172 new prime ministers before this ever gets built.
    Madjikthise
    So this thing should be operational in what, 2 or 3 years? Wink
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:35
      james.au Minister for Railways

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Well, this is a gamechanger.

    Announcement video: https://www.facebook.com/DanielAndrewsMP/videos/268286560488175/


    12 new underground stations (new station locations in capitals) as well as interchanges with existing stations.

    Cheltenham, Clayton, MONASH, Glen Waverly, BURWOOD, Box Hill, DONCASTER, Bundoora, HEIDLEBERG, Reservoir, Fawkner, Broadmeadows, MELBOURNE AIRPORT, Sunshine, Werribee.

    drunkill
    And with this, the preferred dog leg of an alignment for the airpot line makes sense...  Its part of a broader plan.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:36
      penguin2233 Locomotive Driver

    Location: Craigieburn, Melbourne VIC
    If they are making a station at Broadmeadows that means i would have to then catch another train over to Craigieburn. If this ever gets built i would think the maintenance cost for the underground will be through the roof. Think about the vandals at Broadmeadows.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:40
      potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

    It's vision, it's grace, and it will keep RP occupied for the next 35 years. What's not to love?

    More opinion from me after the documents are released at 10am.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:44
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    This is a game changer, linking up the arms of the octopus seems to be the main aim.

    My personal opinion is that if this ever comes to fruition, then it will be of massive benefit to Melbourne. A middle suburban link between all the rail lines that takes in a majority of the major trip generators of education & employment precincts will take the strain off the rest of the network - people won't have to go into Richmond or the city to change. You would assume the new line is designed for HCMT's running at a high frequency which would be the only way to make this work.

    No matter what people think, this is forward thinking. Obviously it's been cooking up in the minds of transport planners for a while - things like this don't get thought up overnight.
    jdekorte

    This is exactly what Melbourne needs and needs quickly.  2050 is FAR TOO LONG to wait for this project to be completed.  This will keep us busy for a while.

    Does this now mean Metro Tunnel 2 is not going ahead?

    What about a rail connection Avalon?

    I like the idea of the connect to Melbourne Airport.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 09:46
      penguin2233 Locomotive Driver

    Location: Craigieburn, Melbourne VIC
    https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/premiers-bold-plan-for-victorias-biggest-ever-rail-project/news-story/e090af5becdfcb2d9ca9f97edbfaa77c

    Some were sceptical.
    “Dan … the pigs flying past the window are screaming ‘Tell ‘em they’re dreaming’. This will never happen,” one wrote.
    Another said it was a “great idea” but “kind of seems like a pipe dream”.

    Pipe dream or not, this needs to be built.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:02
      woodford Chief Commissioner

    For what its worth I think this is an excellent idea, not only that i think for Melbourne's future prosperity its manditory. Driving 50 kilometers to work is no joke, it costs around 20 to 30 dollars each way and then theres the stress of all the traffic and 100 to 150 dollars a week on going to work is simply to expensive. We need to forget about major housing estates in areas like beyond Mernda, Pakenham, Hastings etc as it will be to expensive to build the transport infrastructure required and driving will be to time consuming and expensive. The future will rely on denser housing in the main inner suburbs and far better public transport as this plan will provide.

    I am somewhat amazed to find it appears people are apparently surprised by the success of things like the Mernda extension. it in my opinion being bl--dy obvious from the start usage would be through the roof.

    woodford
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      chomper Junior Train Controller


    This is exactly what Melbourne needs and needs quickly.  2050 is FAR TOO LONG to wait for this project to be completed.  This will keep us busy for a while.

    Does this now mean Metro Tunnel 2 is not going ahead?

    What about a rail connection Avalon?

    I like the idea of the connect to Melbourne Airport.
    bevans

    If this does get built, it will relieve a fair amount of the pressures on the Mernda/Hurstbridge lines that Metro 2 would have alleviated.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:08
      justarider Deputy Commissioner

    Location: Free at last, free at last
    An interesting graphic by the work experience kid. Give it B-

    A few plus and minus to keep the chatterverse going for years. Some bits might actually happen.

    PLUS
    MARL uses 2 options. The Albion loop and the Broady circle.
    Rowville will get a station, it's right next to Traragon.
    Puts the Shoppingtown promise back in play, just after the LNP thought they had written it off
    Bundoora land price just went up, they have moved to Heidelberg.

    MINUS
    Heidelberg moved to Budoora, and then west in the fantasy land
    Kills any talk of the Albury line going Wallan/Airport
    Kills any talk of the Bendigo line via Airport. Sorry Benton G, stuck behind the Sunbury sparks forever.
    RRA will go ballistic (oops might be a plus)

    cheers
    John
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:14
      LeroyW Junior Train Controller

    Location: Awaiting MM2
    I love the vision and the intent - I will never oppose major investment in PT as it shows where the Government's priorities are.

    It seems a ridiculously huge undertaking however and that has me worried. It will be a tough sell to voters because of the size.  Perhaps Dan is banking on winning the next election so he gets a run at starting it off and committing some dollars, because it's exactly the kind of thing that will get stalled every time the government changes (this is why we can't have nice things in Australia).

    Personally, I think it will mean no MM2 for a long time, because the funding and labour force required for two big projects at once just won't be there. As a Mernda -> City commuter this makes me sad as a I really wanted that short cut tunnel! Razz
    But if it means I can catch a train to the airport in a realistic time (into the city and out again is ridiculously long) then that takes away some of the pain Laughing.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:25
      potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

    Sorry Benton G, stuck behind the Sunbury sparks forever.
    justarider


    Something about this makes me immensely sad. Sad
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:28
      stooge spark Chief Train Controller

    Location: My House
    Any notes for any stations between the ones already proposed?
    I'm thinking of stations around Clarinda, Burwood East, Bulleen, Sunshine West, Derrimut, Connection at Tarneit and Werribee Plaza

    Might be a little too foamy, but this whole project screams of foam so whatever.
    I should note that the new Burwood station is nowhere near the current Burwood, so that'll have to be renamed too, I reckon Glen Iris North would do fine.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:34

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      chomper Junior Train Controller

    With a state-of-the-art TBM, 30-35m per day is achievable. Allowing for breakdowns, maintenance and the like, four TBM's could carve up a pair of tunnels in 10 years (not counting station boxes).
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:39
      potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

    Well, the Liberal angle on this is as pathetic as it is predictable.

    Skyrail.

    They are yelling about Skyrail.

    A project of this size and this ambition and all they can do is try and get people to fear it.

    That is a tragic reflection on their unpreparedness for government.

    Either commit to it - and give Victoria an extraordinary bipartisan future - or give us an alternative vision.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:54
      Carnot Minister for Railways

    More details: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-28/melbourne-suburban-train-loop-promised-by-labor/10172184

    - $50 billion
    - Work might start in 2022 (I'm guessing this would be the airport link bit and/or Clayton to Monash Uni)
    - $300 million on planning (Ouch! that's a lot of bureaucrats)

    Initial Thoughts:
    - Good to see a radial rail line being planned.  It can mean that places currently not serviced by rail (i.e Doncaster), can be connected to CBD anyway (ie. via interchange at Box Hill).
    - Sunbury to Sunshine will remain a bottleneck for Bendigo V/line commuters.

    If it takes until 2050 to complete, most of us on RP will be dead by then.
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 10:56

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      blowfish Junior Train Controller

    It will probably signal the light rail conversion of the Alamein line.

    Would this use the RRL alignment from Sunshine to Werribee?

    How much of this could be done at grade or above grade (Sky rail)?
    Posted: 28 Aug 2018 11:00

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