Yawn i cannot be bothered but then again you will of course do yet another one of your famous edit post tricks as you do constantly....care to show where i have quoted or as you say misquoted you?
Funny how after having a quick look at your profile there are just in the 1st 3 pages of your activitity a totaly constant rtt edited this post log.
Righto, rev up those bulldozers and start rolling them through the bougie 'burbs of Sydney to make way for flats and apartment towers then. Start at Mosman and head north until you hit Mona Vale. Crush the bungalows, mangle the McMansions and laugh at the lamentations of the NIMBYs.
I have no problems with new ones but I don't see it being viable either. My humble opinion is that if you work in Sydney then don't live in Wollongong, central coast, southern highlands, blue mountains, gosford or newcastle. Find a job in the local area and stay there.
There is merit though in getting the Maldon - Dombarton line opened though, and in this case I would be suggesting electrification of it for passenger trains, many used to drive from the Wgong area to work in Campbelltown so that could entice commuters there as well. Would also be beneficial for freight services also.
I am on the liverpool transport taskforce and our focus has been for better local bus services. There is nothing we can do about the train service and so we don't waste our time on such.
a6et, I was probably one of your pax, commuting in the opposite direction from Sydney to North Wollongong as a uni student a long time ago. I recall bolting from my lectures to catch the 5.37pm U boat back to Sydney. That train was a lot of fun. I recall one occasion where lightning blacked out the signals north of coalcliff. The tunnel was closed. Had to wait 3 hours for a rail bus. Whatever time was lost in the NP, was made up on the speed from Waterfall to Sutherland. Those U boats could fly!Being at PTK 78 - 82 the electrification was yet to arrive down there. The U's though were pretty much the same as the Suburban W sets which could move nicely. There was 3 depots on top of each other on the Illawarra. PTK, Wollongong & Thiroul.
What is a pendolino going to do?
How will a single deck pendolino cope with the capacity.
The aspect of the old line was that it was very steep for loaded trains on the up, the single line tunnels were all but killers even when the trains kept moving through them. The current alignment was to ease the grade for up trains, similar to the Main south in order to haul heavier trains with steam. The 1:40 grades in both directions especially Como for down trains off the gauntlet track bridge with no momentum, and then Loftus bank which was a momentum grade and the ruling grade/load for steam. A SG loco could only take 360tons up those grades. 48cl took 410tonnes. ThosWhat is a pendolino going to do?
- Cut 15 min off the transit time on the current alignment
- Increase top end speed from 130 kph to 200 kph
- Extract the full benefit from (and reduce the cost of) future re-alignments
- Not get the PAX lungs full of sootHow will a single deck pendolino cope with the capacity.
The same way we do now with the OSCARS: 2+3 seating, tight seat pitch and 1 dunny per 400 PAX.
... What ever they achieved in 1880 is not anywhere near the same as what is needed in 2018. It may have been 7km's shorter but most likely it would not have been any faster or else they wouldn't have went to the current alignment.
The 1890 and 1920 alignments were based on pick and shovel construction and low powered steam operation economics of the time. The first alignment was short because of the high cost of earth works. The second alignment was an investment to reduce the required power to weight ratio of the under powered, high cost locomotives of the era.
DJF, I'm sure south coast passengers will be extremely happy with a tight seat pitch and somehow squeezing 400 passengers into 4 car single deck carriage.
200km/h is never going to happen on the Sydney network as most Sydney electric trains can only do 115km/h with some capable of 130km/h in service. The XPT doesn't do 160km/h anywhere in Sydney and so how are you going to run a 200km/h train just to get south coast passengers to Sydney 15 minutes faster.
I have just spent some time down the south coast this last week and a new alignment just isn't going to happen. Trains just can not make the steep climbs that cars can. I was driving up bulli pass and noticed how there is now a huge steel mesh fence to stop falling rocks.
A bridge out in the tasman is a ridiculous idea
and so unless the Illawarra line is duplicated to at least Sutherland
DJF the OSCAR has 11 rows in a 20 metre carriage and so how are you getting 26 rows in a single deck 20 metre carriage? At best you are likely to only get 55-70 per carriage and not 105-125 that you have stated.
The hunter railcar would be similar to what you propose and it only handles 69-77 people per carriage in a 2+3 layout and a 25 metre carriage.