NSW election thread 2019

 
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

woy woy to cowan is to get a new alignment.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
A poll published today has the coalition ahead by 51-49 on a 2 party preferred basis, but that comes with a margin of error so I believe, I originally thought that Labor would win this state election, but Michael Daley has had a bit of a shocker over the past week, so now I am leaning towards Glady's just sneaking over the line, what I have always said though, is what could be the killer knockout for Glady's, is the Light Rail fiasco in Sydney, which has forced many business's to close, and have a severe loss of income for most (but that is not indirectly her doing, it's the other Mike's)
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
woy woy to cowan is to get a new alignment.
sismtrain
And the details are? Oh; I see, somebody said it but there aren't any details. And what will it cost? Oh, we don't know that either. Well, do we have any idea of where the new alignment will be? Uh huh.
Has anybody considered that the altitudes of Hawkesbury River and Cowan aren't going to change, so trains will still have the same amount of height to surmount?
Just as a matter of academic interest, is there an election looming? Well, what a coincidence!
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

woy woy to cowan is to get a new alignment.
And the details are? Oh; I see, somebody said it but there aren't any details. And what will it cost? Oh, we don't know that either. Well, do we have any idea of where the new alignment will be? Uh huh.
Has anybody considered that the altitudes of Hawkesbury River and Cowan aren't going to change, so trains will still have the same amount of height to surmount?
Just as a matter of academic interest, is there an election looming? Well, what a coincidence!
Valvegear

stage 2 northern sydney freight corridor if you must know. But from what I understand this might be supercharged after the election.

http://www.geodata.it/en/rail/67-rail/australia/219-northern-sydney-freight-corridor-nsfc-stage-2a-australia
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I read simstrain with interest, because he obviously believes that sports stadiums are the most important things for taxpayers to fund.
I happen to disagree very strongly with this idea, and I am on the side of people who want infrastructure in country areas (a) for their quality of life and (b) to induce decentralisation.
Valvegear
Sydney generates 25% of National GDP and 75% of NSW, if they want a new stadium they are entitled to it, whether I or you agree or not.

Lack of infrastructure is not holding back decentralisation.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
It is therefore safe to assume most of the people living in Sydney do so by choice. On retirement, how many actually back up and leave to cash their million dollar orange brick home in a boring street into a house near the water or hills out of the Sydney catchment, not that many.

All of my relatives have (but my mum moved back).  So have my in-laws.  All of my immediate family has.  I have.
djf01
Yah, now get another million people to join you (and I) and we have a justification for Milthorpe getting a track side platform.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
woy woy to cowan is to get a new alignment.
And the details are? Oh; I see, somebody said it but there aren't any details. And what will it cost? Oh, we don't know that either. Well, do we have any idea of where the new alignment will be? Uh huh.
Has anybody considered that the altitudes of Hawkesbury River and Cowan aren't going to change, so trains will still have the same amount of height to surmount?
Just as a matter of academic interest, is there an election looming? Well, what a coincidence!
Valvegear
Valvegear,
reality check time.

1) Woy Woy to Brooklyn is basically flat, just fully of unnecessary bends, that are cheap to straighten

2) Brooklyn to Cowan is one option, but why actually go to Cowan, its longer and higher, climb for the sake of climb and nothing there when you get there. Head further south to Berowa. Don't cross the F3. Less altitude, longer run, more direct

3) As you said lack of details. Do we actually expect a govt to go to a press release with a fully detailed and costed plan for each and every announcement?   and then how often here to we see people complaining about use of consultants? No, they float and idea publicly along with a figure to spend on a study and then see how the public respond and what ideas get mooted.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I think it's unlikely the Opposition will prevail tomorrow, consequently I believe 4 more years of Glady's will see her team well and truly on the nose and probably despatched next time...in 2023 which seems like an eternity away.

One point that really irks me in NSW is the completely lost opportunity of ordering your new country fleet as tilt trains which would aid in greatly accelerating regional train timetables and making regional trains more competitive and potentially even faster than car travel as is the case in Victoria.

The economists and clutch penny's of the NSW Treasury have definitely impacted on that missed opportunity.

Mike.
The Vinelander

If she wins this election she will be stronger in 2023 when the original westconnex will be finished, south east light rail will be operating, cbd metro will be nearly finished, the new allianz will be operating and even more new schools and hospitals will be operating. Oh and lets not forget the new intercity trains, regional trains.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

2) Brooklyn to Cowan is one option, but why actually go to Cowan, its longer and higher, climb for the sake of climb and nothing there when you get there. Head further south to Berowa. Don't cross the F3. Less altitude, longer run, more direct
RTT_Rules

ideally you could come out further south at mt kuring-gah for an even shallower alignment. What is to stop the tunnel starting at hornsby.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Valvegear,

reality check time.
RTT_Rules
Yep; there's an election on.

I don't doubt your comments about the feasibility of Woy Woy to Brooklyn ( although it's not quite flat, hence the Woy Woy tunnel) or the bypassing of Cowan, but 60 years as a voter have left me with a huge dose of cynicism about vague proposals like this.

Edit: Doing some checks found Cowan to be 209 metres ASL, and Berowra 206 metres ASL, so there's very little height advantage. It is 4.2 km between the two, which would allow RTT's avoidance of Cowan that extra distance to get to the top.

Face the facts; it's a thought bubble and the atmosphere here is full of them now.

Yes; the idea is practicable from an engineering viewpoint. So is straightening out the Main South to Junee. So is a tunnel of double stack height from Emu Plains to Lithgow.

All of them are feasible, but none will happen in your lifetime, much less in mine.

Look at how long it took from concept to reality, to have SG trains all the way between Sydney and Melbourne. My father, a Rolling Stock Engineer with Victorian Railways, was talking about the scheme when I was five years old, and it wasn't new then. I was in my early twenties when it happened - 300 km of railway along an existing alignment, which is a doddle compared to the Short North idea.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Why is NSW's major transport infrastructure projects are more contraversial than Victoria's major infrastructure projects?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Why is NSW's major transport infrastructure projects are more contraversial than Victoria's major infrastructure projects?
"True Believers"
Simple - NSW has more of them.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Counting is underway, it could be a long and interesting night!
  Hafenbahn Locomotive Fireman

Counting has started, it could also be a long and boring night.
  MetroFemme Chief Train Controller

Transport minister Andrew Constance has a decent swing against him already.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The numbers are looking good for the LNP retaining Government here, current numbers as I type are LNP 40, ALP28, in doubt still are 19
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Antony Green has officially called the election, LNP have retained Government!!
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Daley has himself to blame here, he really did have a trainwreck of a week in the past week!!
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Daley has conceded to Aunty Glad.

All over.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Congrats to Gladys. She is hard working, and she now is the first elected female premier of NSW. Gladys has the opportunity to finish what she started.

The NATs will need to do something to address the issues in BARWON, Murray, and Orange and everywhere they suffered large swings against them. The SFF could get momentum going the next time to make more gains eastward.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Valvegear,

reality check time.
Yep; there's an election on.

I don't doubt your comments about the feasibility of Woy Woy to Brooklyn ( although it's not quite flat, hence the Woy Woy tunnel) or the bypassing of Cowan, but 60 years as a voter have left me with a huge dose of cynicism about vague proposals like this.

Edit: Doing some checks found Cowan to be 209 metres ASL, and Berowra 206 metres ASL, so there's very little height advantage. It is 4.2 km between the two, which would allow RTT's avoidance of Cowan that extra distance to get to the top.

Face the facts; it's a thought bubble and the atmosphere here is full of them now.

Yes; the idea is practicable from an engineering viewpoint. So is straightening out the Main South to Junee. So is a tunnel of double stack height from Emu Plains to Lithgow.

All of them are feasible, but none will happen in your lifetime, much less in mine.

Look at how long it took from concept to reality, to have SG trains all the way between Sydney and Melbourne. My father, a Rolling Stock Engineer with Victorian Railways, was talking about the scheme when I was five years old, and it wasn't new then. I was in my early twenties when it happened - 300 km of railway along an existing alignment, which is a doddle compared to the Short North idea.
Valvegear
Flat being the main issues for Woy Woy to Brooklyn being the bends along Cockle Creek, they are easy to straighten out. Personally I would then by-pass the tunnel and come out north of Koolingwong for the freight, express and regional. Only all stoppers via Woy Woy continue the current route.

The thing with the LNP govt, is that unlike the previous ALP govt, they pretty much built or did everything they said they would with regarding rail, whether we agree or not.

Do I think they will by-pass the Cowan bank within next 4 years, no. Cowan Bank, is a big ticket item. Leave to 2nd and focus on the Cockle Creek bends and the Mt K to Berowa bends first.

The difference between now and the past and Central Coast line and the Southern Main is numbers. The Central Coast line is now moving 20mpa, roughly same as rest of interurban lines combined. The North Shore line is about double the commuters in peak.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Valvegear,

reality check time.
Yep; there's an election on.

I don't doubt your comments about the feasibility of Woy Woy to Brooklyn ( although it's not quite flat, hence the Woy Woy tunnel) or the bypassing of Cowan, but 60 years as a voter have left me with a huge dose of cynicism about vague proposals like this.

Edit: Doing some checks found Cowan to be 209 metres ASL, and Berowra 206 metres ASL, so there's very little height advantage. It is 4.2 km between the two, which would allow RTT's avoidance of Cowan that extra distance to get to the top.

Face the facts; it's a thought bubble and the atmosphere here is full of them now.

Yes; the idea is practicable from an engineering viewpoint. So is straightening out the Main South to Junee. So is a tunnel of double stack height from Emu Plains to Lithgow.

All of them are feasible, but none will happen in your lifetime, much less in mine.

Look at how long it took from concept to reality, to have SG trains all the way between Sydney and Melbourne. My father, a Rolling Stock Engineer with Victorian Railways, was talking about the scheme when I was five years old, and it wasn't new then. I was in my early twenties when it happened - 300 km of railway along an existing alignment, which is a doddle compared to the Short North idea.
Flat being the main issues for Woy Woy to Brooklyn being the bends along Cockle Creek, they are easy to straighten out. Personally I would then by-pass the tunnel and come out north of Koolingwong for the freight, express and regional. Only all stoppers via Woy Woy continue the current route.

The thing with the LNP govt, is that unlike the previous ALP govt, they pretty much built or did everything they said they would with regarding rail, whether we agree or not.

Do I think they will by-pass the Cowan bank within next 4 years, no. Cowan Bank, is a big ticket item. Leave to 2nd and focus on the Cockle Creek bends and the Mt K to Berowa bends first.

The difference between now and the past and Central Coast line and the Southern Main is numbers. The Central Coast line is now moving 20mpa, roughly same as rest of interurban lines combined. The North Shore line is about double the commuters in peak.
RTT_Rules
Great Idea. Where is this Cockle Ck you speak of?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

RTT is getting cockle creek confused with mullet creek.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
I note Ms Berejiklian said she was the first  woman to be elected premier, and said she was proud the state would vote in a woman and "someone with a long surname". As she was speaking to a NSW audience, she obviously meant first NSW female premier elected in her own right https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-23/nsw-election-results-see-coalition-return/10929808

No doubt another Australian female premier, also with a long surname, Annastacia Palaszczuk, will congratulate Gladys. The first Australian female premier elected in her own right was another QLDer, Anna Bligh, in 2009.

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