2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Parliament is still on leave returning early next month but will we see any sitting days and could the government move into an election quickly rather than attending to the business of running the country?

If the Coalition did go to the polls early would they be stupid to do that rather than going at the last possible day and trying to build up some votes with the public?

Will we see a range of transport promises for the election?

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  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Who really cares who gets in and what they do though those that vote for their favourite party will still vote for them even if they declared the end of the world as we know it. They are all the same these days no matter what party they represent, they all have secret agendas that the public do not know about until it is too late though, and some simply set out to rort the system as well, look at how many retire from politics after they have done their two terms in Parliament, they then get all the perks from it like a Parliamentary Pension for life, free travel around the country and God only knows what else. So while the rest of us are doing the hard yards these types are taking the cream off, of the top so to speak. To most of us now there is not one decent pollie in the whole lot that wants to help Australia they only want to help themselves.

The whole lot of them could spend less time calling each other names, having goes at people and trying to dig up dirt on the opposition and spend more time on things that actually help Australians not oversea's companies or friends etc. At the moment I would not vote for any of them even if I was paid a bribe to do so, to most people they are all corrupt and it is a case of electing the best of the bad lot more than anything else these days.

One day and hopefully soon the people of Australia will wake up completely and then something might get done to change the current rort of elections. People get elected not by the first vote stage but by preferences in a lot of places, get rid of preferences and just place all their names on a ballot paper and you have to mark one box as to who you want to be elected. That makes it fair to all, and would stop parties trying to win on preferences in places. It would also make voting quicker and easier to tally up as well. But no they would sooner plod on in a system that is really rigged more than anything else. We are no longer under British rule so we should have our own voting system not some carry over from the old country. Just my two cents worth on elections etc.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I'm really rather disillusioned with most Federal pollies and parties these days.  

Coalition - Missed opportunities, the smell of corruption, and lots of bad behaviour by those who should know better.
ALP - More elitist and badly behaved than ever.  I simply can't trust Bill S.
Greens - Still taking way too many drugs (and they even admit it) and brawling within.
One Nation - As cringeworthy as ever.  With a hint of fascism.
Clive Palmer - A clown with too much $$$

As for the microparties - often very inexperienced amateurs with weird ideas in many cases.

I'll be voting while holding my nose...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I think we've previously been pretty thoroughly through the idea of a snap election. By now, it is virtually impossible due to the NSW election on March 23 being in the way. Any attempt to stick a Federal poll in somewhere quickly would give the Electoral Commission a huge attack of the wobbling abdabs.
The other factor against an early Federal poll is the massive licking that the Coalition copped in Victoria. The Feds will want that horrible example to recede into the distance as far as possible before they have to step up to the plate to cop their whack.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I'm really rather disillusioned with most Federal pollies and parties these days.  

Coalition - Missed opportunities, the smell of corruption, and lots of bad behaviour by those who should know better.
ALP - More elitist and badly behaved than ever.  I simply can't trust Bill S.
Greens - Still taking way too many drugs (and they even admit it) and brawling within.
One Nation - As cringeworthy as ever.  With a hint of fascism.
Clive Palmer - A clown with too much $$$

As for the microparties - often very inexperienced amateurs with weird ideas in many cases.

I'll be voting while holding my nose...
Carnot

There's that word again - The Khmer Rouge will be coming around to sign you up shortly Razz
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I think we've previously been pretty thoroughly through the idea of a snap election. By now, it is virtually impossible due to the NSW election on March 23 being in the way. Any attempt to stick a Federal poll in somewhere quickly would give the Electoral Commission a huge attack of the wobbling abdabs.
The other factor against an early Federal poll is the massive licking that the Coalition copped in Victoria. The Feds will want that horrible example to recede into the distance as far as possible before they have to step up to the plate to cop their whack.
Valvegear
Agree,

The LNP will want to disconnect the on the nose Fed LNP from the slightly on the nose NSW LNP and give Gladys are running chance are winning. So there will no fed election before April.

Next,
Scomo needs as much time as possible to try and recover, he knows if held now he will loose, so the longer he waits the more time he has to try and save the election, maybe Billy may slip up or be stabbed in the back by his own.

Next Next,
Shortly Scomo, has one major card to play. The budget is very much looking to be in the black going into 2019-20. They will put a slightly early budget on the table (predicted by media), a true election budget but still operating with surplus. This will be a major coup for Scomo as something during the election Labour cannot promote nor deny they have achieved since the days of Bob Hawke, the surplus ran by Rudd was short lived and basically inherited from Howard anyway.

So it will be budget in May, then on the back of the hype a snap election, capitalise on the benefits of the budget and economic position as much as possible.

As LNP are still likely to loose the election, this means ALP's first year budget was fully written by the LNP, thus minimising the damage the ALP can do prior to the next election and hence ALP will get a second win on the back of the work done by LNP. However if they run a deficit....
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I think we've previously been pretty thoroughly through the idea of a snap election. By now, it is virtually impossible due to the NSW election on March 23 being in the way. Any attempt to stick a Federal poll in somewhere quickly would give the Electoral Commission a huge attack of the wobbling abdabs.
Valvegear
Not such a big issue.

There are two separate Electoral Commissions for the federal and NSW state systems, and the Act which sets the election dates in NSW anticipates the possibility of such a clash by including a provision to delay the NSW election if a federal election is called for what would normally be a date during the NSW campaign period.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I'm really rather disillusioned with most Federal pollies and parties these days.  

Coalition - Missed opportunities, the smell of corruption, and lots of bad behaviour by those who should know better.
ALP - More elitist and badly behaved than ever.  I simply can't trust Bill S.
Greens - Still taking way too many drugs (and they even admit it) and brawling within.
One Nation - As cringeworthy as ever.  With a hint of fascism.
Clive Palmer - A clown with too much $$$

As for the microparties - often very inexperienced amateurs with weird ideas in many cases.

I'll be voting while holding my nose...

There's that word again - The Khmer Rouge will be coming around to sign you up shortly Razz
bingley hall
But they were from the far-left and Communist in ideology.

I'm thinking more 1848 in Continental Europe Wink
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
There are two separate Electoral Commissions for the federal and NSW state systems, and the Act which sets the election dates in NSW anticipates the possibility of such a clash by including a provision to delay the NSW election if a federal election is called for what would normally be a date during the NSW campaign period.
"justapassenger"
No doubt correct, but it would be a fair cause of confusion if the Feds (read ScoMo) decide to try and get in first. I'd lay a bet that the voters wouldn't be amused, nor would the NSW Commission which will have already done a lot of preparatory work for the State poll.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

So former ALP president Warren Mundine has been parachuted in as the candidate for the NSW south coast seat of Gilmore. Said to be a captains call. Really, Scomo?
Captains calls have worked out to be gems on the past.
Kiss that seat goodbye.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Mundine must think he's a modern-day Billy Hughes.

Whether Morrison thinks at all is questionable. . . this is on a par with Abbott's "Sir Duke of Edinburgh".
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Mundine must think he's a modern-day Billy Hughes.

Whether Morrison thinks at all is questionable. . . this is on a par with Abbott's "Sir Duke of Edinburgh".
Valvegear
Watched them both on the ABC yesterday, Wednesday. The arrogance displayed was amazing.
And it's all Bill's fault. This will be one of the most negative campaigns for sometime.
Get some head gear Bill, you're gunna be battered from pillar to post.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Saw Bill a couple of hours ago on the ABC,on his Queensland jaunt,came over quite well,terrible thing though, he was talking policy and a bit of vision. The Libs will have no answer to that. That really is evil, policy,and looking to the future.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Mundine there is that name again, but can he last longer than 92 seconds this one.  LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Mundine there is that name again, but can he last longer than 92 seconds this one.  LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
DJPeters
Is paying someone to lose a thing in politics?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Mundine there is that name again, but can he last longer than 92 seconds this one.  LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
Is paying someone to lose a thing in politics?
justapassenger
Palmer, C and Turnbull, M both paid themselves to lose at the last couple of  elections, does that count?

BG
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Although still a remote possibility, the chances of two Federal elections this year are increasing. If the LNP is still significantly behind in the polls as the time approaches to call a May election then the two-election scenario will come into play. When you’re desperate and lack principles, logic and consideration for the country go out the window.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/drastic-dual-election-plan-considered-as-government-tries-to-regain-ground-20181105-p50e5k.html
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Although still a remote possibility, the chances of two Federal elections this year are increasing. If the LNP is still significantly behind in the polls as the time approaches to call a May election then the two-election scenario will come into play. When you’re desperate and lack principles, logic and consideration for the country go out the window.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/drastic-dual-election-plan-considered-as-government-tries-to-regain-ground-20181105-p50e5k.html
kitchgp
What chances? reading the article it would appear there is zero chance of a two Fed elections and near was a chance for two Fed elections. The option, along with others was presented to the PM office was dismissed outright for the obvious reasons this option hasn't been used in decades, voter backlash.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Not dismissed by all in the LNP. Will appear more attractive as the edge of the abyss nears. Six or so more months on ministerial pay, chance things may change, etc. It's the sort of tactic that has to be denied until it's implemented. There'll be back-room people working on a justification now.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Do Labor even want office right now? Things are going from bad to worse with the economy:

- Massive falls in the east coast residential property market despite record low interest rates;
- Credit growth (the engine of the economy) tanking;
- Near zero real wages growth for almost the last seven years; therefore no bracket creep so the tax take also stalls;
- Household debt approaching 200% - so Australians spend twice as much as they earn. Clearly unsustainable in every sense of the word.

Whatever is ahead the economic indicators are really bad; no matter who is in office by the end of the year they're facing some really intense problems with building & construction, something that employs well over 10% of the nation. Bringing more migrants into a stalling economy will not fix it - but they'll probably do that anyway.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Mundine there is that name again, but can he last longer than 92 seconds this one.  LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
Is paying someone to lose a thing in politics?
Palmer, C and Turnbull, M both paid themselves to lose at the last couple of  elections, does that count?

BG
BrentonGolding
Why is Palmer even trying again? The man is delusional.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Not dismissed by all in the LNP. Will appear more attractive as the edge of the abyss nears. Six or so more months on ministerial pay, chance things may change, etc. It's the sort of tactic that has to be denied until it's implemented. There'll be back-room people working on a justification now.
kitchgp
Do think the entire party shares the same view of the leader or Managers as CEO in a private organisation? It is the job of departmental heads to present all options to the boss for assessment. Of course there will be some desperatos. Should the govt try this tatic they would be crucified by the ALP and most of the media and Australian population.

What will happen is simple,

Budget brought forward and election date announcement shortly after with the minimum time frame allowed.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Mundine there is that name again, but can he last longer than 92 seconds this one.  LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
Is paying someone to lose a thing in politics?
Palmer, C and Turnbull, M both paid themselves to lose at the last couple of  elections, does that count?

BG
Why is Palmer even trying again? The man is delusional.
don_dunstan
Like he said 'Australia aint gonna cop it'
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

............................................................ Should the govt try this tatic they would be crucified by the ALP and most of the media and Australian population.

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RTT_Rules
As it stands at the moment that’s the situation the LNP faces at a May election, so what’s it got to lose. It will depend on the situation at the time the election needs to be called, eg standing in the polls, how things go in NSW.  A two-election scenario gives an extra six months in which time things might change and, although it won’t have a majority in the Senate, it may get a more sympathetic one in July. Apart from facing a long stint in opposition, it’s possible the Liberal Party will disintegrate should it lose the election (some would say it already has).


There’s no way that GST will ever be part of our policy. Never ever!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
............................................................ Should the govt try this tatic they would be crucified by the ALP and most of the media and Australian population.

.....................................................
As it stands at the moment that’s the situation the LNP faces at a May election, so what’s it got to lose. It will depend on the situation at the time the election needs to be called, eg standing in the polls, how things go in NSW.  A two-election scenario gives an extra six months in which time things might change and, although it won’t have a majority in the Senate, it may get a more sympathetic one in July. Apart from facing a long stint in opposition, it’s possible the Liberal Party will disintegrate should it lose the election (some would say it already has).


There’s no way that GST will ever be part of our policy. Never ever!
kitchgp
There is dreamland and there is reality and the current PM is obviously realist and dismissed the idea as is I'm sure most of the party would have also no matter how much you want it not to be so. Also the time saved is minimal anyway and it would be a suicide action as I've stated before so are we not done?

On your 2nd point, you want to start an ongoing debate on Govt using the democratic process taking policy to the people, twice on the same subject and doing what they said they would do in that electrol term, twice and in the end implement a tax system that standardised what was a BS tax system and rubber stamped by the ALP.

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