2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  9034 Train Controller

And the fallout continues

bevans

My heart bleeds for them.

From https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/BudgetReview201819/Fundingfornationalbroadcasters

"Since 1989, the ABC has been funded by a three-year appropriation known as the triennial funding system. For the upcoming triennial period of 2019–20 to 2021–22, the Government has said that there will be $3.16 billion in funding for the ABC. The Budget also states that the ABC will remain fully exempt from the efficiency dividend, which is an annual funding reduction for Commonwealth government agencies introduced in 1987–88. However, the Government also announced that ‘in order to ensure the ABC continues to find back-office efficiencies’ it will ‘pause indexation of the ABC’s operational funding’."

So over $1B a year to act as a cheer party for the Labor / Greens.  Perhaps they should cut some more so that Victoria can build the infrastructure that the state government can't afford.

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  djf01 Chief Commissioner

And the fallout continues

In FB yesterday there was a post

"What should SCOMO do first as re-elected PM?"

I lost count of the
- Cut the ABC
- Sell the ABC
- Get rid of the ABC
etc

Probably every 10th or lessor post
RTT_Rules
Money to a brick this "outpouring" against the ABC are for the most part sock puppets.

There is an alignment of political and financial interests that would *really* benefit from the ABC's demise well positioned to fund this sort of campaigning, and no-one really to counter it.

I've become increasingly reliant on the ABC for news, as the other mastheads have disappeared behind paywalls, their paper equivalents shrivelled up to be insufficient to wrap fish and chips.

Google and the other search engines now only give me "targeted" news links: one ABC link and the rest from the various Australian News Corp brands.

And the quality of ABC reporting this election was noticeably just a shadow of years gone by.  Most of the "analysis", and half their "news" content is now an accumulation Twitter posts.  And usually an attempt to stay "balanced" with a roughly equal number of ones negative and positive for both sides.

It also seems to me the Libs didn't even bother having a policy platform for this election.  If they did, it wasn't published anywhere I saw.  And dutifully the ABC only published as much Labor policy as Liberal.  

Apart from the neutered ABC, with it's pseudo balance reporting of Twitter and Annabelle Crabb puff pieces, the rest of the election "coverage" has been NewsCorp, who have given up any pretence of being anything other than a propaganda outfit - and the endless Clive Palmer Ads.

Indeed my kids' YouTube, Google Search, Online games feeds and their only TV show "Lego Masters" have been flooded.  They have no idea who Shorton or Morrison are.  But they all know who Clive Palmer is, and about the immanent Chinese invasion.  

To be perfectly honest, I don't there will be another Labor federal government in my lifetime.  If a centrist policy platform is seen as a liability, politics in Australia will descend completely into a shouting match - where only one side has a voice.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Maybe this presumptuous lot should be subject to the efficiency dividend??

Who the hell does the ABC think it is, and what they provide for the money the suck out of the taxpayer ??

Maybe the "we're selling it" story needs to be floated. That ought to have these turds stop looking the gift horse in the mouth.

IIRC reading somewhere, Defence is the only other department that's fought and won some of its arguments for funding freezes or increases as opposed to a cut like many other departments.

Perhaps it's timely to remind the ABC of its effing place amoungst others with their hands out from the public purse, AND this high and mighty view they seem to have on entitlement that makes them more worthy than other recipients.

I'd actually like a breakdown of where they spend the coin. IMHO, as a taxpayer, we're entitled to know.


Regards
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Anthony Albanese will give Scomo a good run for his money, whether you like him or not, he is a smart operator, I don't vote because of religious beliefs, but I still follow politics and have seen how he works, Scott better be on his guard for the next three years, because if he makes a blunder, Albo will be ready to pounce, unlike Shorten.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Am I the only one who is thinking Victoria is the big loser out of this result?
Why is the socialist south a loser? or is it because the whole country bar them voted another direction, someone has to be wrong and its rarely the majority.
RTT_Rules
Don't Call em socialist, Cause there Not and you are just saying that to Bash Victoria, there is no truth in calling us socialist as we are unfortunately not (that's a hole other debate). You Even know what that means

Anyway the smeg Pro Boomer Scare Campaign worked and Personal Greed kicked in, Sorry to Say this Old Guys But F@#K you, You Keep smeg up the Planet and your personal Greed keeps getting a government of road-loving CEO smeg Licking Climate Change Deniers. Thanks Boomers, Thanks Clive, Thanks Capitalism, Thank-you Fake Workers Party, Thanks Grandparents, Thanks Queensland and Tasmania.

I'm No labour Die Hard as it might sound but at least Victoria Was going to get smeg from em and they had a better plan for the climate and the ABC.

RANT OVER (FOR NOW)
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Maybe this presumptuous lot should be subject to the efficiency dividend??

Who the hell does the ABC think it is, and what they provide for the money the suck out of the taxpayer ??

Maybe the "we're selling it" story needs to be floated. That ought to have these turds stop looking the gift horse in the mouth.

IIRC reading somewhere, Defence is the only other department that's fought and won some of its arguments for funding freezes or increases as opposed to a cut like many other departments.

Perhaps it's timely to remind the ABC of its effing place amoungst others with their hands out from the public purse, AND this high and mighty view they seem to have on entitlement that makes them more worthy than other recipients.

I'd actually like a breakdown of where they spend the coin. IMHO, as a taxpayer, we're entitled to know.


Regards
davesvline
What Should we sell off Next?
The Military?
The Police?
Do a Pinoche and sell of the Fire brigades?
Its A public institution and people like it.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Don't Call em socialist, Cause there Not and you are just saying that to Bash Victoria, there is no truth in calling us socialist as we are unfortunately not (that's a hole other debate). You Even know what that means
dangersdan707”

Know what that means? Please, I am not even sure if I know if you’re trying to write in English or not.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A brilliant comment in this article here by someone called elgordo1:  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/19/its-not-you-bill-its-the-country-is-this-election-australias-trump-or-brexit-moment
"Globally, the modern left has a significant identity problem, and is eating itself. The sooner it realises that it needs to abandon its infatuation with group victimhood and return to its roots of universalism, the better off it will be. The Australian Labor party needs to loudly distance itself from the obsession with grievance and embrace optimism. Whilst Bill Shorten and the current Labor Party do not specifically endorse many of these views, anyone who identifies themselves as left (including me) is tarred by the same brush.


People are increasingly sick and tired or hearing about their unearned privilege, about their supposed selfishness, about how racist and sexist they are, about how much guilt they should feel about colonialism. We're sick of being told that every aspect of the earnings gap is due to discrimination, that any objection to immigration must be racist. As I said, Labor by and large have not engaged too much with these discussions, but they are guilty by association.

The working poor, rural communities and ethnic minorities simply do not believe that Labor is taking care their interests like they used to. Unfortunately, this a problem with perception more than reality. They feel they are being ignored at the expense of intellectual and abstract inner-city issues of no consequence to them. The whole of the left needs to re-evaluate how damaging and divisive identity politics has become - and to abandon it. Return to fighting for universal education, health, wages, climate and economic opportunity is the way forward."
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I've become increasingly reliant on the ABC for news, as the other mastheads have disappeared behind paywalls, their paper equivalents shrivelled up to be insufficient to wrap fish and chips.
Difo
I'm pretty much the same.

I support the concept of a govt funded credible and neutral news agency and CSO programming filling in gaps that are otherwise uneconomic commercially. "Landline" being an obvious one. The issue how to do this effectively and also protecting the taxpayer. I'm becoming less convinced this needs a 100% govt owned and funded TV station and production company platform.

For example, could the production and broadcast of say "Mr Sqiggle" simply be contracted to a commercial TV station to produce and air with govt set limitations on advertising during the broadcast? Would this be cheaper than 100% in house on the ABC? No idea, just a thought (yes I know "Mr Sqggle" ceased production 20 years ago).

SBS, me feels its probably time to start looking closer to a fuller commercial enterprise. I know it has advertising, but I don't know if there are limits. It should be make as much money as you can, but still preserve the ethnic diversity in programming.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Am I the only one who is thinking Victoria is the big loser out of this result?
Why is the socialist south a loser? or is it because the whole country bar them voted another direction, someone has to be wrong and its rarely the majority.
Don't Call em socialist, Cause there Not and you are just saying that to Bash Victoria, there is no truth in calling us socialist as we are unfortunately not (that's a hole other debate). You Even know what that means

Anyway the smeg Pro Boomer Scare Campaign worked and Personal Greed kicked in, Sorry to Say this Old Guys But F@#K you, You Keep smeg up the Planet and your personal Greed keeps getting a government of road-loving CEO smeg Licking Climate Change Deniers. Thanks Boomers, Thanks Clive, Thanks Capitalism, Thank-you Fake Workers Party, Thanks Grandparents, Thanks Queensland and Tasmania.

I'm No labour Die Hard as it might sound but at least Victoria Was going to get smeg from em and they had a better plan for the climate and the ABC.

RANT OVER (FOR NOW)
Dangersdan707
Its a joke and yes I'm am bashing Vic somewhat especially after the election result and as a former N.S.Welsman, I think its our state based patriotic right to do so.

Scare campaigns are played by both sides at all elections. Hell we heard about the "sell the ABC" and "sell Medicare" now for decades.

I don't recall a mass railway building program starting between 2007 and 2013 or 1982 to 1994 for that matter, even when Rudd was given a pile of cash by the Chinese to kick start the economy. The NSW LNP govt its within your description and they would seem to be doing the opposite so the stereo-typing is grossly incorrect.

Your friends had no plan for the climate and one being applied in Vic and SA is reliant on others burning coal to save the day when the wind doesn't blow and pretending they will roll out EV cars when the power prices make then uneconomic and they don't have a solution to replace coal power without the grid demand being doubled by EV.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Looks like we will hang on to our Hiluxes a bit longer...  Make that a lot longer.

Was UAP the coalitions biggest political donor by stealth as well as by preferences?

What will Palmer and Hanson ask for in return?
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
It wasn't just the tax changes. Federal Labor tried to adopt the Daniel Andrews template - the 'class war', lots of 'social engineering'/giving traditional religious belief the cold shoulder, if you vote for us our policies will have a mandate, if you don't like our policies then don't vote for us - plus pushing for Australia to become a republic, but it backfired, failing to translate at a national level (even within Victoria). What does the result say about public support for those other policy initiatives?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Am I the only one who is thinking Victoria is the big loser out of this result?
Why is the socialist south a loser? or is it because the whole country bar them voted another direction, someone has to be wrong and its rarely the majority.
Don't Call em socialist, Cause there Not and you are just saying that to Bash Victoria, there is no truth in calling us socialist as we are unfortunately not (that's a hole other debate). You Even know what that means

Anyway the smeg Pro Boomer Scare Campaign worked and Personal Greed kicked in, Sorry to Say this Old Guys But F@#K you, You Keep smeg up the Planet and your personal Greed keeps getting a government of road-loving CEO smeg Licking Climate Change Deniers. Thanks Boomers, Thanks Clive, Thanks Capitalism, Thank-you Fake Workers Party, Thanks Grandparents, Thanks Queensland and Tasmania.

I'm No labour Die Hard as it might sound but at least Victoria Was going to get smeg from em and they had a better plan for the climate and the ABC.

RANT OVER (FOR NOW)
Its a joke and yes I'm am bashing Vic somewhat especially after the election result and as a former N.S.Welsman, I think its our state based patriotic right to do so.

Scare campaigns are played by both sides at all elections. Hell we heard about the "sell the ABC" and "sell Medicare" now for decades.

I don't recall a mass railway building program starting between 2007 and 2013 or 1982 to 1994 for that matter, even when Rudd was given a pile of cash by the Chinese to kick start the economy. The NSW LNP govt its within your description and they would seem to be doing the opposite so the stereo-typing is grossly incorrect.

Your friends had no plan for the climate and one being applied in Vic and SA is reliant on others burning coal to save the day when the wind doesn't blow and pretending they will roll out EV cars when the power prices make then uneconomic and they don't have a solution to replace coal power without the grid demand being doubled by EV.
RTT_Rules
I Figured

I Know, and don't doubt it

Correct, I am being Victoria centric and yes, I was stereotyping immensely, I was just a tad annoyed that all that Federal money is  now locked up in the East West Link Mark 3 and a non existent underquoted HSR to Geelong. Rudd did nothing.

No Sh*t, Everyone just dances around the issue of climate change as they do with Urban sprawl and the naive believe that economic growth can go on forever without any dire effects. No one has any-plan except act like there doing something about it or deny (Don_Dunstan) it exists. Just Throw away lines about 'getting rid of coal' along with Jobs and growth with no actual plan. Sorry I got carried away there. Another thing people forget is steel production, How are you meant to make steel with out coal? No one is willing to radically act on either side. (Both are Center Right Parties) Its Funny to think Bob Katter and the Greens are more alike than Labour

https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2019
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It wasn't just the tax changes. Federal Labor tried to adopt the Daniel Andrews template - the 'class war', lots of 'social engineering'/giving traditional religious belief the cold shoulder, if you vote for us our policies will have a mandate, if you don't like our policies then don't vote for us - plus pushing for Australia to become a republic, but it backfired, failing to translate at a national level (even within Victoria). What does the result say about public support for those other policy initiatives?
RedEyeExpress
The funny thing is that many of the electorates with high-income earners agreed with the ALP's taxation reforms and the vote swung their way.

It was the electorates that have traditional views on marriage, religion, education, and family that swung away from the ALP.   The ALP are trying to be more "woke" than the Greens and it's backfired spectacularly.  The ALP needs to pull itself out of its self-righteous echo chamber.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It wasn't just the tax changes. Federal Labor tried to adopt the Daniel Andrews template - the 'class war', lots of 'social engineering'/giving traditional religious belief the cold shoulder, if you vote for us our policies will have a mandate, if you don't like our policies then don't vote for us - plus pushing for Australia to become a republic, but it backfired, failing to translate at a national level (even within Victoria). What does the result say about public support for those other policy initiatives?
The funny thing is that many of the electorates with high-income earners agreed with the ALP's taxation reforms and the vote swung their way.

It was the electorates that have traditional views on marriage, religion, education, and family that swung away from the ALP.   The ALP are trying to be more "woke" than the Greens and it's backfired spectacularly.  The ALP needs to pull itself out of its self-righteous echo chamber.
Carnot
ahh there barely left leaning, They're pretty much a centre right party. While I do agree with this, they have endorsed the cancer(s) of Neoliberalism and Identity politics, I would argue The Australian parliament is an echo-chamber of neo-liberalism and this. I do think it is fairly funny that the Wealthier seats have gone to labour and more lower class ones are in liberal hands. There not as 'woke' as the greens and I doubt they will be. I wonder if they figured that IdPol and Neo-Liberalism has lead to there downfall.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Chris Bowen throwing his hat into the ring for Opposition Leader, just goes to show the guy is delusional and not listening to the electorate.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Chris Bowen throwing his hat into the ring for Opposition Leader, just goes to show the guy is delusional and not listening to the electorate.
RTT_Rules
With him at the helm, the ALP will be in the political wilderness for the foreseeable future.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Correct, I am being Victoria centric and yes, I was stereotyping immensely, I was just a tad annoyed that all that Federal money is  now locked up in the East West Link Mark 3 and a non existent underquoted HSR to Geelong. Rudd did nothing.

No Sh*t, Everyone just dances around the issue of climate change as they do with Urban sprawl and the naive believe that economic growth can go on forever without any dire effects. No one has any-plan except act like there doing something about it or deny (Don_Dunstan) it exists. Just Throw away lines about 'getting rid of coal' along with Jobs and growth with no actual plan. Sorry I got carried away there. Another thing people forget is steel production, How are you meant to make steel with out coal? No one is willing to radically act on either side. (Both are Center Right Parties) Its Funny to think Bob Katter and the Greens are more alike than Labour

https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2019
Dangersdan707
HSR will happen when it not only makes sense technically and economically, it doesn't now and unlikely for for at least 2 decades. The last study transit times.

What people often forget is how essential oil is and not just to run a car.

Every 1t of aluminium made needs 450kg of oil sourced Petrolum coke to supply the anode and there is currently no other way of making aluminium. The world makes 70mtpa of aluminium growing at 5-6%pa. Aluminium also needs 14-14.5MW/t of aluminium of energy, the production fed by hydro and nuclear peaked in the 90's, all growth since is on coal (often lower grade in India and was China, but not so much now for China, they use much better coal) and to a lessor degree gas (middle east), the smelter in Saudi actually burns fuel oil much of the time to supply its 3000MW.

So when the Greenies finally chase away Bell Bay smelter in Tas and NZAS in NZ, their production WILL be replaced with a coal powered smelter.

Meanwhile in Australia, Qld coal power production has reached record levels feeding the southern states, mostly Vic replacing what was lost from Hazellwood and Northern (its all on NEM website).

Now you can see why while I care about reducing CO2, most of the extremists are living in a dream.
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Carnot said "The funny thing is that many of the electorates with high-income earners agreed with the ALP's taxation reforms and the vote swung their way." This seems consistent with GetUp!'s tactics reaping results in Warringah (Abbott) but not in Dickson (Dutton).
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Morrison has come out today and stated there may be delays in the tax cuts. Smile
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Australian's looking to leave Australia and move to NZ after the election result.

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election-2019/nz-immigration-website-traffic-surges-after-coalition-victory-20190521-p51pkt.html?btis
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Australian's looking to leave Australia and move to NZ after the election result.

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-election-2019/nz-immigration-website-traffic-surges-after-coalition-victory-20190521-p51pkt.html?btis
bevans
And may the tears of said Sooky La La's overfloweth from their soy latte's....
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Mass interest in moving to NZ? Unique visitors to the page, or a handful visiting a handful of times each and Bill Shorten personally checking it out over 8,000 times on Saturday night?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

One of the ironies of the outcome is that there will be Queenslanders driving electric SUVs or 4WDs in 2022 (or thereabouts) when the next election comes round.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Yeah, and I bet none of them will be 50km north of Brisbane.

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