Locos X41 and X42, PN loco scrapping at South Dynon

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
X41 is rapidly disappearing into pet-food cans.  Chop chop.
Carnot

I feel sad.

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
X41 is rapidly disappearing into pet-food cans.  Chop chop.
Carnot

I feel sad.
"bevans"

the A class in Jan was sadder
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

X41 is rapidly disappearing into pet-food cans.  Chop chop.

I feel sad.

the A class in Jan was sadder
Dangersdan707
Cat food cans is a more useful use for old life expired locos. You can hardly complain at the number of preserved locos kicking around these days. Hey 4461 is languishing at Goulburn. Maybe you guys can stump up the cash to fix it.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Sad to see X41 go as it was my favourite 'old' X.

One time I worked it sticks in my mind even now, over 30 years later, but this is not my reason for favouring this loco.
My driver and I were travelling 'per' from Ballarat in an ACN which was coupled to the engine. The loco was running long end leading and as we approached Sunshine, on the north line, the brakes went on quite hard, which I considered odd as we weren't that close to the junction yet. We ground to a halt and, as this was out of the ordinary, the pair of us got up and tapped on the guards access door. He let us in seeing our VR overalls. Long story short, an older women had tried to cross the line at a pedestrian crossing and just walked into the path of the train somehow, obviously not seeing or hearing it, with fatal results. The poor driver was a Ballarat loco assistant under instruction, by a foreman, prior to his driving exam.
As Sth Dynon manpower knew we were travelling 'on the cushions', the Ballarat crew were picked up by a taxi to get to Spencer St to run a return pass back to Ballarat and we were asked to take over the train and run it into Spencer St.
So, there I am sitting in the drivers seat while my driver checked out the loco when a police car pulls up on the adjacent road to the north of the line. A cop gets out of the car, hops the fence and wanders through the grass towards the loco with me watching his progress. He stops, on the far side of the drainage ditch, looks up at the loco and gradually this puzzled look appears on his face. Eventually he calls up to me asking what's the "registration of the train". I leaned a little further out and tapped the big, cast iron, black and white, number plate mounted on the cab below me and answered 'X41'. He took that information down on his notepad but I could tell it didn't make sense to him, being used to car number plates with 6 characters.


Neil
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
What a sad yet wonderful anecdote.

Thanks for sharing Smile

Regards

ps - I doubt these will be the last to go. Other than those rebuilt or preserved, it really only leaves the 3rd series intact albeit stored around Werris Creek presumably awaiting a similar fate?

Good time to rerun them in HO me thinks Wink
  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Still a couple of 2nd series X down at Geelong. Given the lack of BG grain work, seems unlikely they will have any use; PacNat have plenty of G, BL and XR sitting around anyway. That leaves 31 and 37 lurking around Seymour.

Several 3rd series still running, with 48 and 50 on the Mildura as required, I think SCT has some as shunters (47 and 51?), plus Aurizon may still have 54 in store in Newcastle.

And "NGARNER", more importantly, did your mate pass his exam?
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
And "NGARNER", more importantly, did your mate pass his exam?
hbedriver
Sorry, can't tell you as he was based in Ballarat, not Dynon, but he handled the train we were on well. Nice smooth stops and maintained time well. I can't fault his hitting full emergency when he saw the situation developing ahead of him; just a shame that the breaking distance was longer than was available to the lady

Neil
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Wiki now has X41, X42 AND X44 listed as scrapped. Did X44 go too, or is that just a wiki "rumour"?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Wiki now has X41, X42 AND X44 listed as scrapped. Did X44 go too, or is that just a wiki "rumour"?
ADB
vicsig claims its in service
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Wiki now has X41, X42 AND X44 listed as scrapped. Did X44 go too, or is that just a wiki "rumour"?
vicsig claims its in service
Dangersdan707
But VicSig is failing to stay current nowadays; for example look at the E2, Xtrap and Velocity pages. The E2 page shows photos of E2s in service or testing yet the comment is 'under construction', which is obviously wrong. The Xtrap page hasn't been updated since January, Velocity late last year and E2 is similar.
I know the contributors do this on their own time but it appears to be heading the same direction as the Signals and diagrams site.

Neil
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

Wiki now has X41, X42 AND X44 listed as scrapped. Did X44 go too, or is that just a wiki "rumour"?
vicsig claims its in service
Dangersdan707
Vicsig also says that X41 is in service, when at least half of it has been turned into dog food cans. So......???
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is this list correct?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The latest photo on Vicsig shows that with X41 and X42 now in bite sized chunks, A79 and X39 have been moved into their place.
  bartaxr8 Junior Train Controller

There is a picture on Vicsig of A79 in the process of being dismantled!!!!!!!!!!
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

And rumours that S306 is next up to the chopping block.

Whatever your sentimental views on the matter it’s no exaggeration to say this is a purge by PN.

Since the start of the year: A73, A77, A81 and A85, X41, X42, X39, A79 and S306.

That is 12.5% of the total broad gauge fleet at the start of the year.

Never let it be forgotten that Freight Australia turned a healthy operating profit in the few years before they were absorbed by PN. What is happening now is the culmination of two decades of absent freight rail policy that enabled commercially legitimate asset stripping to occur.

2,309 km of broad gauge railway left in this state and just 60 locomotives to run it. What a travesty.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
And rumours that S306 is next up to the chopping block.

Whatever your sentimental views on the matter it’s no exaggeration to say this is a purge by PN.

Since the start of the year: A73, A77, A81 and A85, X41, X42, X39, A79 and S306.

That is 12.5% of the total broad gauge fleet at the start of the year.

Never let it be forgotten that Freight Australia turned a healthy operating profit in the few years before they were absorbed by PN. What is happening now is the culmination of two decades of absent freight rail policy that enabled commercially legitimate asset stripping to occur.

2,309 km of broad gauge railway left in this state and just 60 locomotives to run it. What a travesty.
potatoinmymouth
Could not have said it better. Bravo
A Depressing Time indeed
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
2,309 km of broad gauge railway left in this state and just 60 locomotives to run it. What a travesty.
potatoinmymouth
Those As were unused. The Xs largely but not completely. Meanwhile SSR has gauge converted 4 locos over to Backwater Gauge in the last couple of years and acquired most of V/Line's P class fleet for presumed reuse on freight and 'departmental' traffic. Victoria now has 3 healthy competitors in the BG freight rail space with their own fleets compared to just one in the dark early days of PacNat.

Cheer up mate, we're not 'rooned yet!
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

And rumours that S306 is next up to the chopping block.

Whatever your sentimental views on the matter it’s no exaggeration to say this is a purge by PN.

Since the start of the year: A73, A77, A81 and A85, X41, X42, X39, A79 and S306.

potatoinmymouth

Unless it's been moved, A71 was stored with X41/42/39, A79 and S306, so presumably that one will go, too.
  ADB Locomotive Fireman

2,309 km of broad gauge railway left in this state and just 60 locomotives to run it. What a travesty.
Meanwhile SSR has gauge converted 4 locos over to Backwater Gauge in the last couple of years and acquired most of V/Line's P class fleet for presumed reuse on freight and 'departmental' traffic. Victoria now has 3 healthy competitors in the BG freight rail space with their own fleets compared to just one in the dark early days of PacNat.

Cheer up mate, we're not 'rooned yet!
LancedDendrite

What does SSR intend to do with the Ps? I'm asking because I keep hearing that sub-3000HP locomotives are old hat, but every time PN or V/Line retire a T, P or H, they seem to get snapped up rather than sent to Sims.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
What does SSR intend to do with the Ps? I'm asking because I keep hearing that sub-3000HP locomotives are old hat, but every time PN or V/Line retire a T, P or H, they seem to get snapped up rather than sent to Sims.
ADB
I can't speak for SSR's intentions when it comes to the Ps they just bought off V/Line, but based on past decisions they and other 'small players' have made (as well as the attitudes of V/Line and PacNat) I think I can make these points with confidence:
  • V/Line's decision to flog off the Ps is pretty transparent: they were surplus to requirements once the need to run push-pull H sets for interurban services went away. Ns (and A66 Laughing) are taking up the slack hauling consolidated H sets and VLocitys are doing a fair bit of that push-pull work too. The Ps still have some residual value so they could make money selling them to an operator instead of a scrap merchant.
  • PacNat's decision to scrap those 'larger' locomotives (A/X/S) is partly because they have no immediate nor future value as BG motive power for them and partly because those locos would be still competitive for hauling mainline BG freight trains with another operator - particularly if one of those operators has a pretty comprehensive diesel loco workshop backing them up. This is further backed up by the sales caveats that were applied to X37 when it went to the Seymour Rail Heritage Centre (passenger service only, no commercial hire)
  • Likewise, PacNat sold those Y/P/H class locos to Ettamogah because they had no value to mainline freight competitors. The days of 5+ T class lashups on freighters is coming to an end - ditto the Ps (although I don't think Ps were ever used in that way, thankfully). It's an unreliable setup and it chugs fuel like men in tinnies chug beers. Hs and Ys are even worse for mainline freight running as they're low-speed shunting locos. Ettamogah want(ed?) to use those locos for shunting and shortline-style 'road switching' operations. And you'll find that they still probably have similar 'non-compete' clauses in the sales contracts like X37 does.
  • When the Greentrains/Coote Industrial leasing fleet was up for grabs, SSR grabbed it - because it was an open sale (no PacNat caveats) and they're happy to keep running old but still reasonably powerful locos on their lashups.

Why did SSR buy those Ps from V/Line? We won't really know until they start running them on revenue-earning trains. My guess is that it's got something to do with their 'departmental train' contracts (dead-hauling X'Traps, rail trains and so on). Head End Power can be useful for those sorts of jobs.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Why did SSR buy those Ps from V/Line? We won't really know until they start running them on revenue-earning trains. My guess is that it's got something to do with their 'departmental train' contracts (dead-hauling X'Traps, rail trains and so on). Head End Power can be useful for those sorts of jobs.
Somebody
they Have, there've been used on transfers
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Interesting juxtaposition of photos at VicSig Latest Photos: B76 and B80 running a rail train and A79 being scrapped.
https://vicsig.net/photos/latestphotos
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Never let it be forgotten that Freight Australia turned a healthy operating profit in the few years before they were absorbed by PN. What is happening now is the culmination of two decades of absent freight rail policy that enabled commercially legitimate asset stripping to occur.
potatoinmymouth
The travesty is that PN wasn't established as 2 companies, not one.  Splitting it equally (including important assets like the NR fleet) and making them compete would have been a far better outcome....
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
http://imgur.com/z55s5ro

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