Council car crackdown to slash commuter parking near train stations

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 20 May 2019 08:57
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The streets in the inner north are choked with cars from people driving into the area of a morning and driving out in the evening instead of catching the train near where they live.  My street has recently introduced parking permits to stop day trippers clogging the streets near the station.

Considering the libs are providing funding for car parks in the east, I cannot see space for this approach in the inner north and I think the days of using cars into and out of the inner city are on a pathway to being blocked.

Council car crackdown to slash commuter parking near train stations

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  Revenue Chief Commissioner

So essentially state and federal governments are spending up to $40,000 per space to provide parking spaces while local council removes it?

I’m not adverse to appropriate car parks being assigned to local uses with time limits, but on street parking has always been where about half of people driving to stations have parked. So that’s going to have an impact on public transport patronage.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Most whom park in my street would be travelling from a distance as bus and tram is also available in reasonable distance so I am wondering if these "parkers" in the inner city can use another mode and not car to get to the railway station.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Parking restrictions In the Inner City Is nothing new, people just have to accept change.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

It’s about changing peoples habits. If one can drive 10/15 minutes and park for free why would you even consider the bus or tram.

If that person now needs to spend 30 minutes the bus or tram becomes a lot more attractive. Increased demand equals forcing the government to spend money upgrading routes.

Reading the comments in The Age just shows how lazy people are when it comes to parking at stations. In most cases in the inner city, the people that park there car are in the minority. With the majority of station patronage coming from walking or other PT. But car parks as we have seen in two elections now are popular with the people.
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
I think it's primarily in the outer suburbs driving and parking is popular. For those who live more than 2km away from the train, walking is unlikely, and the buses are so hopeless that you can often drive just in the waiting time between buses (in theory you should be able to turn up for the departure time, but it could be up to 30 minutes late) (@Revenue, where is the bus tram-tracker?!)

Bicycle infrastructure is still mostly non-existent - we have poorly designed paths which don't connect, and lanes which force you into dangerous situations where drivers squeeze past, so most people won't consider bike until that changes in their area.

The key to increasing train stations' catchment size lies in the above - giving those people a credible alternative. When will Victoria take buses seriously? We put no thought into how our road network should work for buses - councils litter the street with bus obstacles and Vicroads is not much better.

In the inner city, residents should not be allowed to park on the street. There isn't enough space for this in our higher density future. We shouldn't be replacing rail commuter parking with resident parking, we should be replacing on-street car parking with space for bicycles, wide footpaths and street trees.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Sigh. Yet another example of the unwillingness of some people to share. Particularly egregious as roads, including the car parking spaces, are used by everyone in common. A surprising number of people seem to think that they 'own' the parking spot outside their home.

Personally, I agree with the Minister; the council probably hasn't thought this through.

Based on my observations in other parts of inner Melbourne, I would suggest that the people taking up the parking spots are:
* Local residents. They commute by public transport to work and leave the car at home. In these inner areas, that often means on the street as off-street car parking is relatively uncommon.
* Local employees. Where do people think that the people who work in the area park?
* Yes, commuters. Most would be coming from 2 to 5 km - in the wedge between the South Morang and Hurstbridge lines north to Bell St. The bus services are in this area are very indirect and are completely devoid of any notion of interchanging with rail.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You have to understand the Darebin Council on this. I live in an adjoining municipality and Darebin Council  appears to be made up of "ideologically pure" individuals who want cars to be replaced by bicycles, trees to be planted on rooftops, electricity lines to be removed so that (a) people are forced onto solar and (b) because it would look nicer, and so on. This is not the first daft idea to emerge and it won't be the last. Unfortunately, there seems to be nobody with any practical knowledge there, so the dreamers have a picnic.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So essentially state and federal governments are spending up to $40,000 per space to provide parking spaces while local council removes it?
"Revenue"
I am obviously a bit dumb, because I don't understand this statement of expenditure. May I ask Revenue to elucidate?
  historian Deputy Commissioner

So essentially state and federal governments are spending up to $40,000 per space to provide parking spaces while local council removes it?
I am obviously a bit dumb, because I don't understand this statement of expenditure. May I ask Revenue to elucidate?
Valvegear

In its election pitch the federal government promised to spend multi millions to build multistory car parks in marginal Melbourne electorates - Bentleigh and Hampton spring to mind. Previously the state government has promised more millions to build multistory car parks at other places. The expenditure on these car parks works out around $40K per space.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

* Yes, commuters. Most would be coming from 2 to 5 km - in the wedge between the South Morang and Hurstbridge lines north to Bell St. The bus services are in this area are very indirect and are completely devoid of any notion of interchanging with rail.
historian

Note that most of the commuters would be City of Darebin residents themselves...
  penguin2233 Locomotive Driver

Location: Craigieburn, Melbourne VIC
Is it possible to use the Preston Market car parks to park and ride?
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Perhaps this dilemma lends itself to not enough parking spaces for those desiring to use the train??

How do we tackle this. Multi level Carparks are one solution, as unsightly as they may be. However, what's the alternative here?? Not building them??

I suspect revenue poor councils have an opportunity here to be complete pr1cks and make parking times 4hrs ( this number stuffs rail users working in town) and fees for parking at $2-3 an hour. Don't blame me, I'd happily bet some smegbag in a lot of local councils has probably floated the idea internally already.

Alternatively, do we somehow penalise those who drive and park at any station that isn't the closest to where they live?? If so, how do you enforce that?? I don't know.

Plenty to discuss/propose I would think, and I'm not all will be happy with ideas from that discussion?

Regards
  Lockie91 Train Controller

Station parking is controlled by the state government as it is built on crown land. Local councils have no say over this, or the ability to charge.

The cost per car space when building a multi deck ranges between 80k - 100k. Even then you only get another 400 of so spaces. Doesn’t really go that far when you look at station patronage data.

Parking is warranted in some outer suburban areas where people who live outside the reach of feeder buses will always need to drive.

However, looking through local traffic plans for various suburbs and the majority of those driving to the local station live within the catchment of the station. A short 5/10 minute drive is much more attractive than waiting for a bus that might take 20 minutes and only runs every 40 minutes.

The state government needs to offer a service that will make people ditch the car and for the millions they are about to spend adding even more spaces and clogging up local roads they could revolutionise the humble local bus.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Whilst it is unpopular with commuters, charging a daily fee for commuter parking could prove a useful tactic to differentiate between commuters that have a legitimate need to drive (no alternative) and those that may be a sub-20 minute walk from the station. You could quite easily integrate these fees into an exisiting street parking application or even integrate with the Myki system by registering a number plate with a Myki card.

Tie that in with high frequency trunk bus routes utilising main roads only to provide an seamless transfer option. Either way, station patronage along growth corridors (e.g Tarneit, Cranbourne , Williams Landing) is exploding at the moment and the current model is clearly not working.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Whilst it is unpopular with commuters, charging a daily fee for commuter parking could prove a useful tactic to differentiate between commuters that have a legitimate need to drive (no alternative) and those that may be a sub-20 minute walk from the station. You could quite easily integrate these fees into an exisiting street parking application or even integrate with the Myki system by registering a number plate with a Myki card.

Tie that in with high frequency trunk bus routes utilising main roads only to provide an seamless transfer option. Either way, station patronage along growth corridors (e.g Tarneit, Cranbourne , Williams Landing) is exploding at the moment and the current model is clearly not working.
  Obzerva Station Master

Location: #6 / Glen Waverley line
I think the mistake the council has made was announcing they’re doing all the stations in bulk.

Around 9-10 years ago Stonnington council sent out a letter to all the residents living in the street adjacent to Armadale station which was mostly non restricted all day parking, asking the residents to vote if they’d like to introduce 4 hour parking zones in the street.
A few things came out of that, most of the residents didn’t vote, I think it was over 200 potential respondents (given the number of apartments) and the margin if I recall was 15-14 in favour of introducing the restrictions.
A month later the signs went up restricting the parking.

To the best of my knowledge there was no outcry, there was no calls of a council of pushing its agenda or media pushing its in the opposite direction, it was all very low key.

If Darebin had taken this approach one by one it could have kept its community on side and spared itself
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
More paid parking, less residential rat runs (which are parallel side streets that conveniently avoid several sets of lights/cameras/40 zones on the main road) and more pedestrian priority (more zebra crossings and/or near-instant "beg buttons" that don't take up to 60 or 90 seconds to make the cars stop) near public transport precincts.

Busy places such as Ringwood might even be usable on foot if all that happened. It is ridiculous having to wait nearly two minutes on the Eastland side of Maroondah Hwy just to cross the road to get to the station (no wonder everyone jaywalks; it also doesn't help that the train services past Ringwood are beyond crap either, that 2 minute wait can suddenly become half an hour - never mind the bus services which can be even worse). So much for building that exty-million-dollar bridge across the highway directly into the shopping centre as was planned, let's make everyone wait for cars instead.

As for parking at Ringwood station, there is ample room but it's all blocked off, presumably awaiting permits for even more apartments to be built. There is also more room for parking on the other side of Warrandyte Rd (near the Lilydale line) but the long-empty buildings haven't been acquired.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
JUN 12, 2019 — I am pleased to inform you that last night Darebin Council voted unanimously to withdraw its draft parking strategy which was released for community feedback in May.

Darebin Council strongly believes that community input is critical to good decision making.

The decision not to proceed with the strategy is a clear demonstration that this Council will always listen to our community and respond to their feedback.

On behalf of the Council, I would like to sincerely thank everyone in our community who took the time to share their views. We hope you will continue to engage with other Council projects as they arise.

Susan Rennie

Mayor, City of Darebin
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
JUN 12, 2019 — I am pleased to inform you that last night Darebin Council voted unanimously to withdraw its draft parking strategy which was released for community feedback in May.

Darebin Council strongly believes that community input is critical to good decision making.

The decision not to proceed with the strategy is a clear demonstration that this Council will always listen to our community and respond to their feedback.

On behalf of the Council, I would like to sincerely thank everyone in our community who took the time to share their views. We hope you will continue to engage with other Council projects as they arise.

Susan Rennie

Mayor, City of Darebin
"bevans"

Translation: "Oops; we got caught out again with another of our dumb ideas. We'd better stop this one or we might get voted off the council and that wouldn't be nice."

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