Boris Johnson - New British PM

 
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
michaelgm, correct, and they voted that way twice... Arguably even more decisively this time.

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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
mehjammers1 that fare was conditional on me catching the 1630 or 1645 or whatever the next train was at the time I sourced the quote - that’s hardly a condition though.

You don’t get it, I sourced a single fare that was 1/3 the price you reckoned on, I didn’t even look at the other routes. Having one number so wrong I didn’t even bother looking at the other fares, your data wasn’t reliable or verifiable.

You’re making the claim, you prove it - with numbers that 30 seconds on a website can’t immediately invalidate.

As I mentioned, say what you will in explanation, you already placed the UK in continental Europe so there is a limit to how much learning I am willing to do for you.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@Aaron prices sourced from google and is probably for tickets at the ticket office. Quoting standard fares and not promotions which is the point. You do not have to trawl the internet for low gares in France or Italy. They are just lower than in the UK.

You just imagine the prices of a season ticket. I know my sister was paying 5500 pounds a year London to Cambridge a journey of 55 miles. Of course you having to catch a certain train is a condition.

If you  want to make a big deal of me saying continental Europe as regards to the UK then fine  whatever floats your boat.  Does the rest of Europe satisfy you?

Michael
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The UK Royal family budget is an issue for the UK and most in general don't seem to have too big an issue for it as it generates billions in tourism. As someone who leans the otherway, I couldn't give a rats.
RRT_Rules
Thats a myth, the chew up significantly more taxpayer $$ then they put back into the economy

Labour lost because Jeremy Corbyn is a complete idiot
Mejihamers1
For Real? Id say there's a few more in higher positions of power. The Brexit comment is largely true, they were stuck between a rock and a hard place as they were attempting to appease both sides of the fence


Anyhow
Its interesting to look at who Voted for who by generation, I guess I well and truly can blame the boomers for not dying quick enough for not letting a social democrat win. Though this is a year old the bottom left quadrant is extremely close to the actual results.

  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Dawn Butler's speech was nicely scripted but what were they really offering - more delays on Brexit, basically, but also a really radical tax-and-spend agenda that even traditional Labour Party voters weren't the least bit interested in. Same with Shorten here in Australia - lots of radical action on 'climate change' but really nothing in it for the seven million or so people in this country leading a strictly hand-to-mouth existence. Certainly no action on creating jobs for those people.

So what motivation did anyone have to vote for them?
don_dunstan
You complain about the decay of the welfare state, The Stagnant pensions and wages and the suffering of neoliberalist economics in this country yet you desire not to end it even abroad? Fascinating. The Plan was pretty much to make the economy as it was in the 1950s, the hight of the Cold War, Very Extremist indeed.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The UK Royal family budget is an issue for the UK and most in general don't seem to have too big an issue for it as it generates billions in tourism. As someone who leans the otherway, I couldn't give a rats.
Thats a myth, the chew up significantly more taxpayer $$ then they put back into the economy

Dangersdan707
So you haven't seen the literally thousands of people who go to visit all things Royal every day? Not to mention the commercial outlets, the magazines, TV shows etc. Also remember the so called long list of high end assets owned by the royal family are not actually theirs to sell, they are simply the caretaker.


I'm not even a Royalist and I'd vote for Australia to becoming a Republic tomorrow, but I can see what it does for the UK economy.

Now go to the EU Monarchy's, how many bodies are lined up out the front watching everything they do.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
@Aaron prices sourced from google and is probably for tickets at the ticket office. Quoting standard fares and not promotions which is the point. You do not have to trawl the internet for low gares in France or Italy. They are just lower than in the UK.

You just imagine the prices of a season ticket. I know my sister was paying 5500 pounds a year London to Cambridge a journey of 55 miles. Of course you having to catch a certain train is a condition.

If you  want to make a big deal of me saying continental Europe as regards to the UK then fine  whatever floats your boat.  Does the rest of Europe satisfy you?

Michael
mejhammers1
At the end of the day, someone has to pay and the UK has been able to both move forward to achieving break even on PT (Not including CAPEX) while avoiding the American car culture. So as the bulk of the taxpayer use the rail system, they paying as they go rather from their monthly salary.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The Monarchy in the UK likely generates more income via the ‘pals, friends, confidants, insiders, and sources’ (did I miss anyone?) at New Idea and the like than it costs to ‘keep’ them.

Factor in the already mentioned queues of people visiting and the pounds they spend on souvenirs, tours, photos, accomodation, food and transport to see them and it’s likely that the Monarchy are a more valuable business to the UK than most other businesses in the UK.

Then consider the huge inputs the family do for worldwide causes albeit not directly with economic impact in the UK. Take Princess Diana, her work with the AIDS/HIV sufferers and relentless work clearing land mines changed the world. Sure, much of it she did in the front outside the Royal Family, but she did a lot of it as a Princess and what she did, the recognition she got for the causes could not, and has not been achieved by her simply being a (wealthy) commoner whom nobody knew.


The UK and the world do pretty well out the ‘investment’ in the Royal Family.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

mehjammers1, Dan and Don (who like the post) got some numbers on those UK fares being the highest in continental Europe? - Which incidentally while you’re at it could you also advise of a source that even places the UK in continental Europe, because, well, I am in continental Europe right now, and the UK ain’t smeg here.

The UK enjoys some actually quite cheap fares (thanks actually to acts of the parliament under the near universally hated BR days).
Aaron
A quick look will reveal that Britain has some of the most expensive rail fares in Europe (mainly peak fares on London intercity lines) as well as some of the cheapest, because they have traditionally had a very peaky demand on the rail system and have used the fares system to shift leisure travel to off peak times using advance tickets tied to travelling on a particular train.

The yield management strategy has worked fairly well, as there is a gradual shift towards white collar businesses in London adopting Core Business Hours so people can reliably be on site in the middle of the day while having flexible start/finish times. This allows workers to take advantage of off peak fares if they so desire, while still pulling in the premium salaries that come with working in central London.

They could simplify the fares structure and have it meet in the middle, but they would lose the benefit of the yield management system.

The franchise operators run a profit margin of about 3% on average, which makes it a good deal for Britain because there is no way that BR ever managed to get their public sector wastage down to even 20%.  That is why the last Labour government (a centre-left government which governed for all of Britain and would have kicked Bozo's butt in last week's election, not a Corbynist regime) committed to the system and worked to advance it rather than roll it back.

You just imagine the prices of a season ticket. I know my sister was paying 5500 pounds a year London to Cambridge a journey of 55 miles. Of course you having to catch a certain train is a condition.
mejhammers1
Assuming the normal 232 working days per year (48 weeks, minus 8 bank holidays) that's £11.85 for each trip in or out. At current exchange rates that is A$22.96.

Ballarat is a similar distance from Melbourne, and a Myki ticket in the peak costs $22.20.

Considering that Cambridge-London offers a far higher level of service than Ballarat-Melbourne (modern EMUs vs DMUs, over 150 trains each day spread across three different London terminals) I would say that the 76¢ premium makes it a steal.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@Dangersdan707 Thank you. I could not put it better myself. What DonDunstan is accussing Hawke and Keating of will not even come close to what Boris have in store for the working class in the UK.

What I meant by Corbyn being an idiot is not wholly to do with his policies. Some of them are very sound. However I was dismayed that one he has given light to anti zionist anti semetic forces within the Labour party. I grew up in the UK and the 10 to 15 mp' s have almost exclusively been members of the Labour party from Oona King to Ernie Weitzmann. The Labour party was the natural party for the Jewish community because they were inclusive.

Secondly he turned a largely remain Labour party inro a Brexit light party in an effort to appease everyone. And it made him look weak.

Boris Johnson is amongst the most dishonest in history. So when it comes down to it Joe Public do not care about politicians lying. They just care about what side.


Michael
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
@Dangersdan707 Thank you. I could not put it better myself. What DonDunstan ia accussing Hawke and Keating of will not even come close to what Boris have in store for the working class in the UK.
...Secondly he turned a largely remain Labour party inro a Brexit light party in an effort to appease everyone. And it made him look weak.

Boris Johnson is amongst the most dishonest in history. So when it comes down to it Joe Public do not care about politicians lying. They just care about what side.

Michael
mejhammers1
You're applying logic. I've note before that Don is a fraud, or at best confused.

If any Donnie expects to use Medicare, have good Public Hospitals, or any sort of welfare they should shut the F up because without so called 'lefties' they wouldn't have them.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Dawn Butler's speech was nicely scripted but what were they really offering - more delays on Brexit, basically, but also a really radical tax-and-spend agenda that even traditional Labour Party voters weren't the least bit interested in. Same with Shorten here in Australia - lots of radical action on 'climate change' but really nothing in it for the seven million or so people in this country leading a strictly hand-to-mouth existence. Certainly no action on creating jobs for those people.

So what motivation did anyone have to vote for them?
You complain about the decay of the welfare state, The Stagnant pensions and wages and the suffering of neoliberalist economics in this country yet you desire not to end it even abroad? Fascinating. The Plan was pretty much to make the economy as it was in the 1950s, the hight of the Cold War, Very Extremist indeed.
Dangersdan707
What are you blathering about? I'm talking about the failure of the so-called Labour Party to provide poor people with the very thing that they need to lift themselves out of poverty - good jobs.

You've managed to extract something from what I've said that simply isn't there.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@Dangersdan707 Thank you. I could not put it better myself. What DonDunstan ia accussing Hawke and Keating of will not even come close to what Boris have in store for the working class in the UK.

What I meant by Corbyn being an idiot is not wholly to do with his policies. Some of them are very sound. However I was dismayed that one he has given light to anti zionist anti semetic forces within the Labour party. I grew up in the UK and the 10 to 15 mp' s have almost exclusively been members of the Labour party from Oona King to Ernie Weitzmann. The Labour party was the natural party for the Jewish community because they were inclusive.

Secondly he turned a largely remain Labour party inro a Brexit light party in an effort to appease everyone. And it made him look weak.

Boris Johnson is amongst the most dishonest in history. So when it comes down to it Joe Public do not care about politicians lying. They just care about what side.


Michael
mejhammers1
So you agree with me that the Labor and Labour parties are both seriously failed frauds not fit for purpose any longer that need to go.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
You're applying logic. I've note before that Don is a fraud, or at best confused.

If any Donnie expects to use Medicare, have good Public Hospitals, or any sort of welfare they should shut the F up because without so called 'lefties' they wouldn't have them.
Groundrelay
Yeah because Mediare got abolished under Howard, didn't it.

Stooopid.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan You really need to punch yourself in the head because you are literally making no sense.


Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@DonDunstan You really need to punch yourself in the head because you are literally making no sense.


Michael
mejhammers1
So you don't get irony then Michael... no surprises there.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
So Nicola Sturgeon thinks that Scotland should go it alone - ABC;

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has warned Prime Minister Boris Johnson he cannot keep Scotland in the United Kingdom against the country's will...

...Ms Sturgeon demanded another independence referendum on Friday (local time), after her Scottish National Party (SNP) won a better-than-expected 48 out of Scotland's 59 seats in the UK Parliament in Thursday's UK election.

Mr Johnson told Ms Sturgeon on Friday he would not agree to another independence vote, with the Scottish public having already backed remaining in the United Kingdom in a 2014 poll.

Nicola Sturgeon should make running Scotland properly her priority; a job that she and her ministers seemingly can't get right. A new hospital in Glasgow killed some of its patients by (somehow) allowing pigeon faeces into the water supply; yet somehow Nicola Sturgeon didn't know about it. Scotland's government debt is seven times higher per capita than the rest of the UK. It's a bit like the Northern Territory government here in Australia - can't manage money, constantly going back to Canberra for more money and yet simultaneously demands more independence.

They wouldn't meet the criteria for admission as an independent nation into the EU anyway so they'd have to be an independent nation outside of the EU. Given their terrible record at managing money Scotland would be begging to be re-admitted to the UK in no time.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan Irony?  Please explain? I bet you cant or you will just say something pithy and dismissive. Same old Don.

You know you are calling for the UK Labour party to be abolished because they do not align with your views. You all know what that leads to.

I am not going to respond to your reply. Clearly you are happy with Boris crooked lying Johnson. Because you know he is on my side.


Michael
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@DonDunstan Irony?  Please explain? I bet you cant or you will just say something pithy and dismissive. Same old Don.

You know you are calling for the UK Labour party to be abolished because they do not align with your views. You all know what that leads to.

I am not going to respond to your reply. Clearly you are happy with Boris crooked lying Johnson. Because you know he is on my side.


Michael
mejhammers1
No, I'm calling for them to be replaced with something that it representative and electable - nothing more, nothing less. Corbyn's Labour stood for bugger all as far as I can tell and the British public rightly rejected it. So British Labour needs to be replaced with something that people can actually VOTE FOR. It's not rocket science.

And I said nothing about Boris Johnson, you're reading too much into what I say.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
@DonDunstan Irony?  Please explain? I bet you cant or you will just say something pithy and dismissive. Same old Don.
mejhammers1
I'll break it down for you: Groundrelay says that the LNP will abolish Medicare and I respond by saying "yeah because they have". We've had almost 20 years of LNP governments since the introduction of Medicare and (shock!) Medicare is still here. So when will the LNP abolish Medicare, Groundrelay?

Waiting...
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan I said I would not reply but here goes. Replace means you want the Labour party to go rather than giving then the chance to change from within which they have done before. Remember the Tories had lost 3 straight from 1997 to 2010. The 1997 loss was so huge, it makes the 80 seat majority that Boris has like a close run election. The Tories were unelectable then. I am sure you would not call for them to be replaced with something else.

I have already stated ad nauseam about Jeremy Corbyn and what Labour should have done.

Groundrelay could be stating that if it was not for the left leaning parties Medicare would not exist. Labor created Medicare and the Labour party created the NHS and the Social security nets in the UK.

Michael
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Michael, if you don't reply to Dons posts, then he'll just be playing with himself.Very Happy
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
‘The LNP will abolish Medicare’ is the same leftist smeg in Australia that Thatcher was faced with the NHS when she was in power - all confected outrage.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

@DonDunstan Irony?  Please explain? I bet you cant or you will just say something pithy and dismissive. Same old Don.

You know you are calling for the UK Labour party to be abolished because they do not align with your views. You all know what that leads to.

I am not going to respond to your reply. Clearly you are happy with Boris crooked lying Johnson. Because you know he is on my side.


Michael
No, I'm calling for them to be replaced with something that it representative and electable - nothing more, nothing less. Corbyn's Labour stood for bugger all as far as I can tell and the British public rightly rejected it. So British Labour needs to be replaced with something that people can actually VOTE FOR. It's not rocket science.

And I said nothing about Boris Johnson, you're reading too much into what I say.
don_dunstan
No Don. One word did it. Brexit. The average voter in the UK would not have a clue whether leaving the European Union was to their advantage or not. However, a simply little catch word like Brexit always gets the mugs in. They will be sorry when Britain is reduced to the pauper state of Europe. They do not know what they have done.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


If any Donnie expects to use Medicare, have good Public Hospitals, or any sort of welfare they should shut the F up because without so called 'lefties' they wouldn't have them.
Groundrelay
It takes both sides of politics to run a country long-term otherwise we would be moving to the more extreme of either side, both sides have had their considerable impact on the systems we use, budget, the political and business culture, taxation system etc. As I always say, if one side implemented it and the other doesn't remove it during their next term then it is bi-partisan policy.  ie Medicare, GST etc, implemented by one side, opposed by the other and untouched once they have their turn.

However the left still haven't come to terms with running the next years budget with the income your receive from next year, not from the future, which historically in most states and fed level falls back to the right side to re-balance the budget. Yes, there are some exceptions.

I think what we see most both here and now the UK is that govts remain in power for two reasons, strong leadership and/or non-viable opposition. Aust May '19 and UK Dec '19 was mostly the later. US is similar, Trump is in power because the population couldn't tolerate Hillary.

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