Grain Harvest 2019-20

 
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Hey BG , are the sleepers being laid out  brand new or used ? I’m asking as there would be a lot of 4 year old concrete sleepers coming off the Frankston line with all the level crossing removals . Used concrete sleepers  are arriving at the new kananook maintenance facility.
Richard stroker
They'll be brand-newies, used concrete sleepers aren't approved for mainline use on either V/Line or Metro's networks. They're fine for use in sidings though.

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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Does Jacinta Allan list at all to the people in the know about where funds for rail lines are needed. She does an amazing job of sticking her head in the sand.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Does Jacinta Allan list at all to the people in the know about where funds for rail lines are needed. She does an amazing job of sticking her head in the sand.
freightgate
You need to understand very busy removing dangerous and congested level crossings.

Melissa Horne on 9 News Saturday night not happy V/Line had not maintained Rainbow line fit for traffic. Has ordered V/Line to get it up to scratch ASAP for grain trains.  CEO James Pinder followed with an apology that V/Line had let its customers down, and said should be ready for grain trains in 6 weeks.
  Bonzel Locomotive Driver

V/LINE to busy building gold plated Velocity parking lots and have neglected non passenger areas of country Victoria.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Melissa Horne on 9 News Saturday night not happy V/Line had not maintained Rainbow line fit for traffic. Has ordered V/Line to get it up to scratch ASAP for grain trains.  CEO James Pinder followed with an apology that V/Line had let its customers down, and said should be ready for grain trains in 6 weeks.
kuldalai
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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
V/LINE to busy building gold plated Velocity parking lots and have neglected non passenger areas of country Victoria.
Bonzel
V/Line didn't build any 'gold plated Velocity (sic) parking lots'. Wyndham Vale Stabling Yard was built as a capital works project (different Govt. budget item) and run by the Level Crossing Removal Project.

V/Line keeps getting its track maintenance budget cut (by Melissa Horne & Friends). The overriding priority of V/Line as instructed to it by the Government is to keep the Livestock Specials (passenger trains) running. Bushels of grain don't vote, so they get a correspondingly low budgetary priority - until we have the media-Government-V/Line cattle-prod conga line that happened today with the Rainbow line.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Nothing will improve at Vline until there is a major disaster.

How the two females posing as ministers and the Vline Board and top management can look at themselves in the mirror and see honesty, integrity, professionalism and competence eludes me. Are any of them even vaguely aware of their responsibilities to Victoria as a whole. The border is not at Geelong.

Instead of apologies there should be sackings.

Yet another failed Pommie import.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Nothing will improve at Vline until there is a major disaster.

How the two females posing as ministers and the Vline Board and top management can look at themselves in the mirror and see honesty, integrity, professionalism and competence eludes me. Are any of them even vaguely aware of their responsibilities to Victoria as a whole. The border is not at Geelong.

Instead of apologies there should be sackings.

Yet another failed Pommie import.
YM-Mundrabilla
No point in sackings, they would only appoint other incompetents because they don't know themselves what is required, nor it seems apparent to me, will they listen to the few remaining people who do know how to run a railway.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
V/LINE to busy building gold plated Velocity parking lots and have neglected non passenger areas of country Victoria.
V/Line didn't build any 'gold plated Velocity (sic) parking lots'. Wyndham Vale Stabling Yard was built as a capital works project (different Govt. budget item) and run by the Level Crossing Removal Project.

V/Line keeps getting its track maintenance budget cut (by Melissa Horne & Friends). The overriding priority of V/Line as instructed to it by the Government is to keep the Livestock Specials (passenger trains) running. Bushels of grain don't vote, so they get a correspondingly low budgetary priority - until we have the media-Government-V/Line cattle-prod conga line that happened today with the Rainbow line.
LancedDendrite
Youve probably expressed a view on this elsewhere in threads past LD, but do you think that VLine should be split into above pax operations and below rail?  Or at least, split the non passenger lines off into its own budgetary entity?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
V/LINE to busy building gold plated Velocity parking lots and have neglected non passenger areas of country Victoria.
V/Line didn't build any 'gold plated Velocity (sic) parking lots'. Wyndham Vale Stabling Yard was built as a capital works project (different Govt. budget item) and run by the Level Crossing Removal Project.

V/Line keeps getting its track maintenance budget cut (by Melissa Horne & Friends). The overriding priority of V/Line as instructed to it by the Government is to keep the Livestock Specials (passenger trains) running. Bushels of grain don't vote, so they get a correspondingly low budgetary priority - until we have the media-Government-V/Line cattle-prod conga line that happened today with the Rainbow line.
You've probably expressed a view on this elsewhere in threads past LD, but do you think that VLine should be split into above pax operations and below rail?  Or at least, split the non passenger lines off into its own budgetary entity?
james.au
I think V/Line needs a separate Victorian Government budget line item allocation for capital & maintenance investment in their freight-only network. V/Line is being hindered by competing priorities and scarce resources, shuffling the org chart won't do anything meaningful.

I don't think a more drastic step like spinning off the Standard Gauge freight lines to a separate entity is justified at this point unless it's a condition of "unlocking" additional Federal grant funding for those lines - because clearly the Victorian Government doesn't care enough about the SG freight lines to invest the required money to properly rehabilitate them in the current fiscal and political climate.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
potatoinmymouth
Are you suggesting that either or both of them are competent?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
potatoinmymouth
Yes potatoman I raised the eyebrows as well to this.

Although I wasn't about to run off shrieking to the Fair Work Australia.....

Also thinking if this " was written by an obviously unsupervised 'work experience' participant she should try something else to 'experience' next time. "

As for the person who should have been supervising... hang on this is sounding familiar.......Rolling Eyes

BigShunter.
  Andrewdr Locomotive Fireman

How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
Are you suggesting that either or both of them are competent?
YM-Mundrabilla
Let's put it another way then. If the Ministers had been men, would you have referred to them as the "two male ministers"?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW

a separate Victorian Government budget line item allocation for capital & maintenance investment in their freight-only network

.....

shuffling the org chart

...
spinning off the Standard Gauge freight lines to a separate entity
LancedDendrite


Wouldnt this be a half reasonable solution?  Not sure what ARTC has in plans for the Oaklands and Portland lines longer term but some sort of package deal akin to the NSW CRN could work there?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Nothing will improve at Vline until there is a major disaster.

How the two females posing as ministers and the Vline Board and top management can look at themselves in the mirror and see honesty, integrity, professionalism and competence eludes me. Are any of them even vaguely aware of their responsibilities to Victoria as a whole. The border is not at Geelong.

Instead of apologies there should be sackings.

Yet another failed Pommie import.
YM-Mundrabilla

The easy test regarding the board members is the performance of the organisation.  In the case of V/Line the performance has been less than satisfactory but this does not mean one throws the baby out with the bath water.  Yes you can say V/Line has had a lot of growth, so what?  Lots of organisations have a lot of growth.  The issue in my mind is V/Line are not focusing on what is important about running their business.  Creating sidings everywhere and having to move trains around the network is not core business.  Core business is the charter of the organisation and after reading it they do not seem to be delivering that.

The board is ultimately responsible.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
Are you suggesting that either or both of them are competent?
Let's put it another way then. If the Ministers had been men, would you have referred to them as the "two male ministers"?
Andrewdr
No I would have referred to them as bloody idiots - like Batchelor you mean.

Who was our last competent Minister for Transport? I cannot remember one .................
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
Are you suggesting that either or both of them are competent?
Let's put it another way then. If the Ministers had been men, would you have referred to them as the "two male ministers"?
No I would have referred to them as bloody idiots - like Batchelor you mean.

Who was our last competent Minister for Transport? I cannot remember one .................
YM-Mundrabilla
Tom Roper?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
Are you suggesting that either or both of them are competent?
Let's put it another way then. If the Ministers had been men, would you have referred to them as the "two male ministers"?
No I would have referred to them as bloody idiots - like Batchelor you mean.
YM-Mundrabilla
...Which precisely proves @potatoinmymouth's point about you bringing up the gender of the ministers in a critical manner. If you can't come up with an actually relevant criticism of the ministers in question based on their careers and performance in their current roles then you should keep your opinions on who they are to yourself.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!

a separate Victorian Government budget line item allocation for capital & maintenance investment in their freight-only network

.....

shuffling the org chart

...
spinning off the Standard Gauge freight lines to a separate entityWouldn't this be a half reasonable solution?  Not sure what ARTC has in plans for the Oaklands and Portland lines longer term but some sort of package deal akin to the NSW CRN could work there?
james.au
I'm pretty sure that ARTC would hand back custody of the Oaklands & Portland lines faster than a father getting a negative paternity test result on Maury Povich if the Victorian Government bought it up as a possibility.

But the real question is not who controls the lines, it is who pays. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whose in-house maintenance team or approved rail contractors are running the show, it's who's opening the chequebook.

The above-rail operators won't, because full-cost recovery for grain branchline access fees (and lets face it, the Mildura line too) would be far too onerous in today's grain haulage market on those lines.
The State Government won't, because they're running out of cash for self-funding infrastructure funding and as I mentioned above, bushels of grain don't vote.
Logically the the Feds are really who should be paying for the capital expenditure to rehabilitate the SG (and soon to be SG) branchlines in Victoria. How they do that is the real topic of debate. Direct grants, access fee 'top-up' subsidies, dodgy equity injections to ARTC, a "GWA-in-SA" exclusive operating license model with baked-in line rehabilitation funding thrown in... at this stage it might even be worth trying something weird like looking at a trust model, where there's a large pool of money built up to maintain and rehab these branch lines so that below-rail operators don't have to go looking for grant funding or subsidies on an annual basis.
  ADB Locomotive Driver

How the two females posing as ministers...

Whatever is at the root of V/Line’s problems, suggesting it’s related to the gender of the ministers is very poor form.
potatoinmymouth

Well, in an era where political parties have quotas for women, you're going to get that attitude now and again, aren't you? Were the two females concerned appointed as Ministers due to competence, or a politically correct quota system?

Personally, I automatically regard politicians of any flavour or gender as incompetent, given that the job description entails PR, spouting BS and massaging stats for a living, but maybe that's just a part of having to appear to be all things to all people.  

P.S. As someone whose Mum and Dad were "Ten pound Poms", I didn't appreciate the "failed Pommie import" comment either, but whatever, that's Y-Ms opinion (and he might be correct in this particular instance). It's interesting that the PC brigade didn't seem too worried about that particular opinion, though.
  ADB Locomotive Driver

Which precisely proves @potatoinmymouth's point about you bringing up the gender of the ministers in a critical manner. If you can't come up with an actually relevant criticism of the ministers in question based on their careers and performance in their current roles then you should keep your opinions on who they are to yourself.
LancedDendrite

And who the **** are you to tell people what they can and cannot say?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
And who the **** are you to tell people what they can and cannot say?
ADB
Look who turns up when someone blows the dogwhistle again Laughing
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
On the topic of grain trains, it's rumoured PN will run their first BG grainy to Sea Lake tomorrow. So let's wait and see.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW

a separate Victorian Government budget line item allocation for capital & maintenance investment in their freight-only network

.....

shuffling the org chart

...
spinning off the Standard Gauge freight lines to a separate entityWouldn't this be a half reasonable solution?  Not sure what ARTC has in plans for the Oaklands and Portland lines longer term but some sort of package deal akin to the NSW CRN could work there?I'm pretty sure that ARTC would hand back custody of the Oaklands & Portland lines faster than a father getting a negative paternity test result on Maury Povich if the Victorian Government bought it up as a possibility.

But the real question is not who controls the lines, it is who pays. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whose in-house maintenance team or approved rail contractors are running the show, it's who's opening the chequebook.

The above-rail operators won't, because full-cost recovery for grain branchline access fees (and lets face it, the Mildura line too) would be far too onerous in today's grain haulage market on those lines.
The State Government won't, because they're running out of cash for self-funding infrastructure funding and as I mentioned above, bushels of grain don't vote.
Logically the the Feds are really who should be paying for the capital expenditure to rehabilitate the SG (and soon to be SG) branchlines in Victoria. How they do that is the real topic of debate. Direct grants, access fee 'top-up' subsidies, dodgy equity injections to ARTC, a "GWA-in-SA" exclusive operating license model with baked-in line rehabilitation funding thrown in... at this stage it might even be worth trying something weird like looking at a trust model, where there's a large pool of money built up to maintain and rehab these branch lines so that below-rail operators don't have to go looking for grant funding or subsidies on an annual basis.
LancedDendrite
Agreed on all points though im thinking that a separate entity with a separate budgetary allocation will be far more transparent (and maybe therefore accountable - we can hope) than the current arranagment where cash can splash wherever the ministers get angry at VLine about.

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