Climate Change Confusion

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
A Cambridge University professor proposes the extinction of the human race as a solution to the challenge of 'climate change'. And she's serious... Cambridge University;

A Cambridge academic has proposed a radical new way to solve climate change – letting humanity become extinct.

Patricia MacCormack, a professor of continental philosophy at Anglia Ruskin University, has just released her new book The Ahuman Manifesto, which will officially be launched in Cambridge today (Wednesday, February 5).

The book argues that due to the damage done to other living creatures on Earth, we should start gradually phasing out reproduction. But rather than offering a bleak look at the future of humanity, it has generated discussion due to its joyful and optimistic tone, as it sets out a positive view for the future of Earth - without mankind.

It also touches on several hot-button topics, from religion and veganism to the concept of identity politics, tying these into how the creation of a hierarchical world among humans has left us blind to the destruction we are causing to our habitat and other forms of life.

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  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Why do people drive their (mostly) four wheel drives into flood-waters thinking it's okay? I correctly predicted a rash of this happening on the east coast as a result of the heavy rains - and what happens? News.com.au:

Footage has emerged showing the frantic moment a woman and her niece made a last second escape from their sinking 4WD after being swept off the road by floodwaters in northern NSW.

The 67-year-old woman told Nine News it took all of 15 seconds for her and her niece to realise they were in trouble after becoming trapped in floodwaters near Lismore.

“Oh my God, holy cr*p,” a woman filming in a trailing vehicle can be heard saying in the footage... News.com.au understands the women were driving from Byron Bay to Lismore and the road wasn’t closed when the incident occurred but has since been shut by the local council.




It really isn't that complicated; if you see flood waters don't drive into them even if they appear shallow. Turn around and go back.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
But was she confused by climate change, or just the usual "My Toorak Tractor is unstoppable and can go through anything!" mindset?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Why do people drive their (mostly) four wheel drives into flood-waters thinking it's okay? I correctly predicted a rash of this happening on the east coast as a result of the heavy rains - and what happens?
"don_dunstan"
Yep! You could guarantee it.
It's the same with many idiotic things:
Driving into flood waters.
Running over toddlers in the driveway.
Unsupervised kids drowning in backyard pools.
Children locked in hot cars.
People diving into shallow water and ending up paraplegic or quadriplegic.

All of these, and more, get media publicity all the time, and yet the great unwashed masses resolutely refuse to learn anything from it.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
This has gone on for too long! With fights everywhere! I am unsubscribing....
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Oh gosh no! But you’ll be so missed!
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Why do people drive their (mostly) four wheel drives into flood-waters thinking it's okay?
don_dunstan
Because they are idiots. Simples...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Oh gosh no! But you’ll be so missed!
Aaron
Who are you again?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
But was she confused by climate change, or just the usual "My Toorak Tractor is unstoppable and can go through anything!" mindset?
apw5910
I think that's at the heart of the problem, people driving these two-tonne monsters obstructing other motorist's vision and spewing out diesel particulate pollution think that they're unstoppable.

The first problem is that underneath the flood waters the road surface could have altered or be damaged; there might be debris blocking the path or (more often than not) the motorist has totally underestimated the depth of the water. Even a heavy 4WD will float once its in about 4 foot of water and the tyres lose contact with the road - once that happens you are effectively trying to pilot a boat with no steering or propulsion - and off you go!

As we saw in that News.com.au dashcam footage it was only moments before that Pajero floated off the road and into deeper water where it immediately started to sink. All I can say is that those women were incredibly lucky the flood waters weren't running faster because they would have been swept down-stream into deeper water like their car and there was nothing that any bystanders could have done to help them.

I hope their insurance company denies them cover on the basis of "we don't cover acts of completely stupid".
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
If I feel I must drive through a flooded section of road, I will only do so after I have carefully watched others do so, usually in larger vehicles (4WD utes etc) than my Subaru Outback. I study the depth against their wheels and any evidence of instability underfoot. Thus I can make an informed decision. I have rarely done this and have only done so when there has been no alternative route available to me and I have taken the above precautions.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Travelling through Europe you see life expired wind turbines quite often. They’re easy to spot if you look. As above the blades are often stacked, often the towers are laying exactly where they were felled next to their foundations, metres away is a brand new turbine on a brand new foundation.

Renewable energy infrastructure is recyclable? Maybe, but only if you want to, and the bulk of the carbon emissions in wind turbines comes from the concrete foundation and that is never recycled.
I don't understand why the 'new' tower can't simply be put up on the concrete base of the old wind tower - or does the concrete also get fatigued and life-expired?
If you are upgrading the turbine to a larger unit with more MW, then unlikely the foundations will be deep enough and wide enough.

If they "future proofed" the foundation by over designing with this in mind, then yes it can be reused.
RTT_Rules
There is some potential for fatigue to be an issue too.

Future proofing is possible, the trouble is no one twenty years ago likely figured on today's turbines as needing a foundation six times the mass - even if they did, the project funding probably wasn't available for such an over design at the time.

No different to today, I doubt anyone is installing (ie paying for) foundations to be 10x the required size of today such that someone else doesn't have to pay for them in 20 years.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There is some potential for fatigue to be an issue too.

Future proofing is possible, the trouble is no one twenty years ago likely figured on today's turbines as needing a foundation six times the mass - even if they did, the project funding probably wasn't available for such an over design at the time.

No different to today, I doubt anyone is installing (ie paying for) foundations to be 10x the required size of today such that someone else doesn't have to pay for them in 20 years.
Aaron
True, if you knew at the end of the turbines life there will be a bigger version, it might be worth throwing a few extra bucks at the foundations if the cost was not significant. If you are on leased farm land, it may also be a requirement to remove all unused infrastructure. Who knows!
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Yep! You could guarantee it. It's the same with many idiotic things:

Driving into flood waters.
Running over toddlers in the driveway.
Unsupervised kids drowning in backyard pools.
Children locked in hot cars.

All of these, and more, get media publicity all the time, and yet the great unwashed masses resolutely refuse to learn anything from it.
Valvegear
The four i have highlighted are usually commited by the debt laden and time poor middle class SUV driving soccer moms who are so determined to get themselves, or their kids, to the next activity that they are prepared to drive through flood waters, run over their own toddlers, leave their kids to swim in pools alone, and lock their kids in hot cars, in order to get there...
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Just to add some fuel to the fire how many scientists and experts in the past have been wrong on things to be honest probably quite a lot of them over the years. Things like body part transplants were the things from Science Fiction back when I was young but today they are done every day.  Some experts years back said electricity was the work of the devil and would never be of any use anyway and there are a lot more examples as well. But some one who thought better than them did some more investigation and found out it was possible and how to use it. Just the same as anything we take for granted today.

Thomas Edison thought DC power was the way to go till Nicola Tesla thought otherwise, but Edison even today is held up as the expert in electricity when really Tesla was the expert and better electrical engineer as well, but even Tesla would have made some mistakes.

Also all these modern day type of experts that have university degrees etc are text book experts in most respects as any one these days can get a uni degree it is easy enough if you have the nouse but getting the degree does not make you an expert in anything unless you have the experience to back it up though. Engineers are good examples with some modern designs of things simply collapsing and it has happened because some young engineer just did not have the experience in the field, he had the theory part all right though. Sure it has happened in the past Bridges etc have collapsed because of poor design in the first place so experts can and do make mistakes sometimes huge ones.

As has been said the experts are only human and humans do make errors a lot.

I am not saying climate change experts are wrong, but then again they could be couldn't they. It is possible.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Just to add some fuel to the fire how many scientists and experts in the past have been wrong on things to be honest probably quite a lot of them over the years. Things like body part transplants were the things from Science Fiction back when I was young but today they are done every day.  Some experts years back said electricity was the work of the devil and would never be of any use anyway and there are a lot more examples as well. But some one who thought better than them did some more investigation and found out it was possible and how to use it. Just the same as anything we take for granted today.

Thomas Edison thought DC power was the way to go till Nicola Tesla thought otherwise, but Edison even today is held up as the expert in electricity when really Tesla was the expert and better electrical engineer as well, but even Tesla would have made some mistakes.

Also all these modern day type of experts that have university degrees etc are text book experts in most respects as any one these days can get a uni degree it is easy enough if you have the nouse but getting the degree does not make you an expert in anything unless you have the experience to back it up though. Engineers are good examples with some modern designs of things simply collapsing and it has happened because some young engineer just did not have the experience in the field, he had the theory part all right though. Sure it has happened in the past Bridges etc have collapsed because of poor design in the first place so experts can and do make mistakes sometimes huge ones.

As has been said the experts are only human and humans do make errors a lot.

I am not saying climate change experts are wrong, but then again they could be couldn't they. It is possible.
DJPeters
Tesla spent much of his career trying to transmit electricity through the air to provide "free" power for the masses and died I believe broke, so yes he made a few mistakes.

"Science" means the "study of ...." hence an experience is the result of extensive study over a long period of time.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
This sort of thing, and the scramble to militarise the Arctic and control the North West/North East passages have convinced me that climate change is real.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/qbe-warns-of-climate-risk-as-300m-hit-to-revenue-alongside-unusual-weather-20200217-p541e3.html#comments
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
This sort of thing, and the scramble to militarise the Arctic and control the North West/North East passages have convinced me that climate change is real.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/qbe-warns-of-climate-risk-as-300m-hit-to-revenue-alongside-unusual-weather-20200217-p541e3.html#comments
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
This sort of thing, and the scramble to militarise the Arctic and control the North West/North East passages have convinced me that climate change is real.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/qbe-warns-of-climate-risk-as-300m-hit-to-revenue-alongside-unusual-weather-20200217-p541e3.html#comments
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Don't hit me again, billy; three times is enough.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
This sort of thing, and the scramble to militarise the Arctic and control the North West/North East passages have convinced me that climate change is real.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/qbe-warns-of-climate-risk-as-300m-hit-to-revenue-alongside-unusual-weather-20200217-p541e3.html#comments
billybaxter
I think most people acknowledged there is a change happening. Most people also acknowledge there have been a number of climate changes in the last 1000 years, some having a significant impact on human expansion and development and even blamed for causing the black plague.

However how much of this change is human driven and how much we can actually do something about with 7-8B people on the planet is still the big questions that are in debate.
  sthyer Deputy Commissioner

Just to add some fuel to the fire how many scientists and experts in the past have been wrong on things to be honest probably quite a lot of them over the years. ................

I am not saying climate change experts are wrong, but then again they could be couldn't they. It is possible.
DJPeters
And just imagine if there's a chance they're getting it wrong, how wrong we must be getting it, plucking at random snippets of data to try and prove or disprove our pet theories. It takes a supercomputer to run climate models, not facebook.

I'll take my chances with the experts thanks
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

I'll take my chances with the experts thanks
sthyer
Which expert(s)? There is an expert for everything this days.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Yeah we've noticed
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Next time I watch television I'm going to attach myself to the chair with rope, after all, these scientists with their theory of 'gravity', they could be wrong, couldn't they? It's only a theory! And why waste time going to the GP? He's only an 'expert', applying theories thought to him by scientists. Forget driving too. My car is nothing but a box of bolts that seems to do what I expect because of the applied ideas of more 'experts'. I'd ask the bloke at the pub what he thinks, he's true blue no nonsense, but now I'm worried about the beer. The experts who developed it say I risk nothing but mild intoxication if I drink responsibly, but you never know, they could be wrong. These 'experts' they've been wrong before!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Next time I watch television I'm going to attach myself to the chair with rope, after all, these scientists with their theory of 'gravity', they could be wrong, couldn't they? It's only a theory! And why waste time going to the GP? He's only an 'expert', applying theories thought to him by scientists. Forget driving too. My car is nothing but a box of bolts that seems to do what I expect because of the applied ideas of more 'experts'. I'd ask the bloke at the pub what he thinks, he's true blue no nonsense, but now I'm worried about the beer. The experts who developed it say I risk nothing but mild intoxication if I drink responsibly, but you never know, they could be wrong. These 'experts' they've been wrong before!
billybaxter

...well scientists don't actually know what mechanism for gravity is, they can only measure and calculate its effect. Hence why we cannot make artificial gravity apart from using opposing forces from circular motion.

GP => "General Practitioner", would you take your car to be mechanic who is still practicing?

Cars are built using the cheapest Technics and evolving but not perfected technology using lowest priced bids and assembled by people who often not finished high school. But you assume it won't fail.

Beer was invented to drink in lieu of polluted water and uses bacteria that has survived on earth 1b years or what ever mostly unchanged. I would trust the beer.

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