USA v Iran and Issues

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
All my trips to/from Doha/Dubai to Europe have always overflown the Persian Gulf (if Iran is no longer wanting to be called Persia, should it now be the Iranian Gulf?), Iran, Turkey rather than the more direct route over Iraq.

Flights from Australian in particular to Doha go quite some way out of the way to avoid the Sultanate of Oman airspace, something I find odd given that Qatar fly Doha-Muscat/Salalah/Sohar routinely.

Something else of only passing interest and much distraction to the topic is that in flight wifi is not available in Indian airspace at the Indian government’s behest.
Aaron
Its called the Persian Gulf in Iran and in the GCC its called the Arabian Gulf.

Most flights go over Iran to avoid Iraq and Afghan Air space, but I looked last night and Qatar Airlines and some other also fly over Iraq.

Qatar Airways can fly over Oman, but currently they cannot fly over UAE, Bahrain and KSA airspace.

Indian Govt bans alot of things, Sat phones is another thing. They don't trust Pakistan or people sympathetic to Pakistan.

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  C2 Junior Train Controller

Media report . Iranians in Tehran protest the government for shooting down passenger plane with their children on board .Not a regime change protest but Protest against themselves all the same
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Media report . Iranians in Tehran protest the government for shooting down passenger plane with their children on board .Not a regime change protest but Protest against themselves all the same
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Congratulations C2! First post from you where I can understand every word.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Took your advice. I write in Persian then Google translate. C2FU
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Most flights go over Iran to avoid Iraq and Afghan Air space, but I looked last night and Qatar Airlines and some other also fly over Iraq.
RTT_Rules
Lots of European carriers flew north-west on an airway passing through Iraq east of Baghdad because it was regarded as a fairly safe route that runs well east of the dangerous parts of Iraq nearer to Syria and well west of the dodgy Caucasus region.



Airlines based in that region of the world (Qatar, Emirates, Etihad, Kuwait, Turkish Airlines, Air Arabia etc) are all still flying that route, but most of the other carriers have scattered.  A week ago there would have been flights from European carriers like British Airways, KLM etc in that conga line as well.

Airlines from France, the UK and USA are now banned from Iraqi or Iranian airspace (UK and US bans also include the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman) and other EU airlines have been formally advised not to go there. Other airlines are voluntarily steering clear, including Qantas and Air Canada who saved the Australian/Canadian governments the need to make it an order.


Effective from the next daily flight through the area after things kicked off, Qantas has rerouted all three of their flights that flew through Iraq or Iran. QF2 (London-Singapore-Sydney, previously flew east through northern Iran near Tehran and the Caspian Sea), QF9 (Melbourne-Perth-London, flew the route through eastern Iraq) and QF10 (London-Perth-Melbourne, flew roughly the same route as QF2) have all been changed to use the Turkmenistan-Russia-Poland route that was already the normal route of QF1.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Most flights go over Iran to avoid Iraq and Afghan Air space, but I looked last night and Qatar Airlines and some other also fly over Iraq.
Lots of European carriers flew north-west on an airway passing through Iraq east of Baghdad because it was regarded as a fairly safe route that runs well east of the dangerous parts of Iraq nearer to Syria and well west of the dodgy Caucasus region.



Airlines based in that region of the world (Qatar, Emirates, Etihad, Kuwait, Turkish Airlines, Air Arabia etc) are all still flying that route, but most of the other carriers have scattered.  A week ago there would have been flights from European carriers like British Airways, KLM etc in that conga line as well.

Airlines from France, the UK and USA are now banned from Iraqi or Iranian airspace (UK and US bans also include the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman) and other EU airlines have been formally advised not to go there. Other airlines are voluntarily steering clear, including Qantas and Air Canada who saved the Australian/Canadian governments the need to make it an order.


Effective from the next daily flight through the area after things kicked off, Qantas has rerouted all three of their flights that flew through Iraq or Iran. QF2 (London-Singapore-Sydney, previously flew east through northern Iran near Tehran and the Caspian Sea), QF9 (Melbourne-Perth-London, flew the route through eastern Iraq) and QF10 (London-Perth-Melbourne, flew roughly the same route as QF2) have all been changed to use the Turkmenistan-Russia-Poland route that was already the normal route of QF1.
justapassenger
Yes it changes frequently and they won't admit it but the airlines don't want to fly anywhere else.

Moving west from Nepal
You cannot cross from India/Nepal to China due to Himalaya
Flying from China to UAE they cross over Pakistan, but its a Fn bumpy 60min
Then you have Afghanistan, no go zone
Then you are into Iran, today's no go zone
Then Iraq, yesterdays no go zone
Then Syria, last months and next months no go zone
If you are in a GCC airline, you cannot fly over Israel
The used to fly just west of Israel over the Sinai, now that's a no go zone.

We flew to Cyprus in 2015 on Emirates after the MH17 I think, plus what ever poo fight was going on at the time in Iraq and Syria.
Up the gulf (today around Qatar)
turn left under Kuwait head to Red Sea, then up Red sea, avoid Iraq and Syria
where the arm is to Jordan, plane does a hard right follows Sinai border (left side) until well out into Med Sea. Avoid Israel airspace.
Then 90 deg hard right head to Lebanon
Then when you can see Lebanon hard left, then hard right to head to airport but avoid Nth Cyprus airspace.

4.5 h flight.

Coming home, head to Turkey without entering Nth Cyprus
Across the top nth of Iraq
then down through Iran.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Central Afghanistan is a heavy traffic zone these days.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Central Afghanistan is a heavy traffic zone these days.
justapassenger
Can only black ban so much airspace at once.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Central Afghanistan is a heavy traffic zone these days.
Can only black ban so much airspace at once.
RTT_Rules
2018 flew by Qatar Airlines from New York to Sydney via Dohah and after traversing the Atlantic hit the French coast almost flying over Paris, then the Swiss Alps and top of Turkey to Dohah to avoid air space Qatar Airlines is banned from. Made for an interesting but long trip to Sydney.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Central Afghanistan is a heavy traffic zone these days.
Can only black ban so much airspace at once.
2018 flew by Qatar Airlines from New York to Sydney via Dohah and after traversing the Atlantic hit the French coast almost flying over Paris, then the Swiss Alps and top of Turkey to Dohah to avoid air space Qatar Airlines is banned from. Made for an interesting but long trip to Sydney.
nswtrains
I know a EK pilot who is friend of a Qatar pilot and they have seen Dubai One (747) in "Doha" a few times in recent months and Qatar was invited to the GCC summit meeting. Basically we are hoping that a combination of Dubai Expo later this year and Doha World Cup in 2022 and lackluster economies helps resolve this soon.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Central Afghanistan is a heavy traffic zone these days.
Can only black ban so much airspace at once.
2018 flew by Qatar Airlines from New York to Sydney via Dohah and after traversing the Atlantic hit the French coast almost flying over Paris, then the Swiss Alps and top of Turkey to Dohah to avoid air space Qatar Airlines is banned from. Made for an interesting but long trip to Sydney.
I know a EK pilot who is friend of a Qatar pilot and they have seen Dubai One (747) in "Doha" a few times in recent months and Qatar was invited to the GCC summit meeting. Basically we are hoping that a combination of Dubai Expo later this year and Doha World Cup in 2022 and lackluster economies helps resolve this soon.
RTT_Rules
Sorry, Doha. Thought Dohah looked funny.

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