Original VR S class bogies - looking for other locos that used them

 
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
As the title says I am looking for  any loco on and railway - world wise if needed that uses the same looking bogies our VR S class locos had. The wheelbase may be smaller - all good. You know the original cast bogies, not the flexicoil

I am not refering to the S,GM 42 or B class locos. Any pointers greatly appriciated. It is for a project.

Regards,
David Head

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  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
As the title says I am looking for  any loco on and railway - world wise if needed that uses the same looking bogies our VR S class locos had. The wheelbase may be smaller - all good. You know the original cast bogies, not the flexicoil

I am not refering to the S,GM 42 or B class locos. Any pointers greatly appriciated. It is for a project.

Regards,
David Head
dthead
Whilst I'm unlikely to be able to answer your question, I do find it very confusing. I assume you mean S class diesels, not steam? But then you say "I am not refering (sic) to the S, GM 42 or B class locos."
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yes, Diesal S class bogies, A Friends has some larger scale  S class bogies made for a project but wants to model in another scale as these are too small, as built.  Cast  bogies with no  holes in the sideframes like the classic flexicoil bogie.

"I am not refering (sic) to the S, GM 42 or B class locos." The S class I  included to show the  "family" of locos that had similar looking bogies. Someone suggested to me if you cannot built a S, build a GM to which I reminded him that the loco would then end up at the same scale - thus not suitable.

Regardless of the internals I am more interested in external appearance of the bogie.Hope this helps - this is why I brought it up here to work it out.

David
  M636C Minister for Railways

Yes, Diesal S class bogies, A Friends has some larger scale  S class bogies made for a project but wants to model in another scale as these are too small, as built.  Cast  bogies with no  holes in the sideframes like the classic flexicoil bogie.

"I am not refering (sic) to the S, GM 42 or B class locos." The S class I  included to show the  "family" of locos that had similar looking bogies. Someone suggested to me if you cannot built a S, build a GM to which I reminded him that the loco would then end up at the same scale - thus not suitable.

Regardless of the internals I am more interested in external appearance of the bogie.Hope this helps - this is why I brought it up here to work it out.

David
dthead
OK, I'll try to work out the question....

There are a set of S class bogies which are too small to build an S class in the desired scale? (Is that right?)

You want to build a model to the correct scale using these bogies.
So the locomotive should have similar looking but smaller bogies.

Nothing comes to mind.

You could build (say) an SD9 or SD45 which are much larger locomotives to a smaller scale matching the bogies...

How about telling us how much smaller the bogies are?

Off the top of my head, the S bogie is 13' 2" wheelbase. What is the wheelbase of the bogies in question?

Peter
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This might help to id the bogie:



https://youtu.be/OAv-7SfJzWI

Regards,
David Head
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
B class: http://victorianrailways.net/motive%20power/bdiesel/bdie.html

The early cast bogies seemingly had taller sides compared to the later ones (see the early 50s photos of B72 and B61). Later ones also had dampers fitted. Note the position of the brake cylinder on each bogie type - the early bogie frames are roughly the same height as the rod for the whole length whereas the later ones dip between the wheels, leaving three humps on each side. Unfortunately the S class page doesn't show any photos of an S with the early bogies so I had to link the B class page (the bogies were exactly the same either way - after all, an S was just a B without the second cab).

Going by the shape of the model in the video, the bogie is the later type but with significantly less side detail.

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