Major Works To Kick Off In Carrum

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 17 Feb 2020 10:17
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The three level crossings have progressed well.

The Minister out celebrating the completion of the Carrum component this very morning. travellers also seem qyite happy with the views from the trains





Major Works To Kick Off In Carrum

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
View of the platform at the new Carrum Skyrail station



The Minister opening the new station

  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Looks good on a nice clear summer day like today.  
People are going to want to rug up in the winter months though.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
"Official Openings"; what a waste of time, effort and money. . . . all done so that pollies can dislocate their elbows giving themselves pats on the back.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Wierd thread heading. The works are complete, so why name the thread "Major Works To Kick Off In Carrum".
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Looks good on a nice clear summer day like today.

People are going to want to rug up in the winter months though.
"lkernan"
This is Melbourne - we rug up on summer days often enough.
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

The original article is one year old . Two of the level crossings removed , now there is no way of going under or over the rail line  where the two have been removed.
They have been merged into one , into a nice big intersection on Nepean Hwy . Time will tell.
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

Station street crossing removed , no access under or over rail.

Eel race road crossing removed,
No access under or over rail .

New intersection by way of Mc Cloud rd extension which is single lane .
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
The view of the bay from the platform is excellent.
It's a shame the rails will be lowered at Edithvale and Bonbeach - or can that be changed?

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  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
The view of the bay from the platform is excellent.
It's a shame the rails will be lowered at Edithvale and Bonbeach - or can that be changed?
Gauntlet

Unfortunately I think it's too late now and Edithvale, Chelsea and Bon Beach are set to have their stations stuck in a trench.

It will be an interesting case study in say 10 years time well after all these projects have been completed to compare the look and feel of the Carrum town centre with its elevated station, with the Chelsea or Edithvale town centres with their stations in a trench.

Ross
  Llib7 Station Staff

We already have evidence, I have posted many photos of #skyrail on twitter comparing the difference between the two methods. Trenches are quite terrible as they create large concrete scars. Unfortunately that’s what we will see in those suburbs
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If they are putting those stations in trenches, I hope that they have a very good de-watering system worked out.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If they are putting those stations in trenches, I hope that they have a very good de-watering system worked out.
Valvegear

There would be a water removal pump system working from a sump one would hope.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
There would be a water removal pump system working from a sump one would hope.
"bevans"
The difficult bit is to get all the groundwater into one sump. It isn't going to flow in a variety of directions just because someone put a nice sump there. It will need an extensive network of drainage pipes, and has the potential to be a real nuisance.
I would not be at all surprised to see the need for well-point de-watering during the construction phase.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

For what it's worth, Bonbeach and Edithvale are both getting moved from the current location (Bonbeach maybe 100m south, Edi about 100m north), so the stations themselves won't have to be particularly deep.  Hence, the overall trench also won't need to be as long - the deepest part will be the road-over bit itself.

Whatever happens, doing these as rail-under is still a terrible idea that will be regretted.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Whatever happens, doing these as rail-under is still a terrible idea that will be regretted.
Adogs
But the community will have gotten what it wanted, a big gash in the ground, while Chelsea has it's new parks and thoroughfares.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Whatever happens, doing these as rail-under is still a terrible idea that will be regretted.
But the community will have gotten what it wanted, a big gash in the ground, while Chelsea has it's new parks and thoroughfares.
lkernan

Chelsea's also going to get a big gash in the ground.  In fact, it'll be a significantly bigger one there than the ones in Bonbeach and Edithvale.

As for "what the community wanted", really it's only what a vocal section of the community wanted...  this is *my* community too, and I didn't want a massive concrete gash.  Labor got spooked about losing sandbelt seats at the last election, so they went all out to try and put the crossings underground, it's as simple as that.  

As it turned out though, they all swung heavily to Labor, with the heaviest Labor swing of any seat in the state being (drumroll) ... Carrum, with its Skyrail.  The booths in the beachside end of Carrum were pushing 60% ALP.

You can draw your own conclusions from the above.
  mike49 Locomotive Fireman

I had the opportunity to check out the new Carrum station this morning. It was a cold, wet & windy morning & on a day like this you have to regard the station amenities as a fail. There is very little shelter on the platform & the small 3/4 height glass partitions around the seats are virtually useless as protection from the wind & rain. The only redeeming feature it has is a nice view of the bay. Whoever designed it didn't take into account the weather that you will frequently get at that location.

Irrespective of the pros & cons of above & below ground crossing removals future passengers at Bonbeach, Chelsea & Edithvale might be grateful that their new stations won't be elevated, at least they won't run the risk of suffering from hypothermia in the winter like those at the new Carrum!
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I had the opportunity to check out the new Carrum station this morning. It was a cold, wet & windy morning & on a day like this you have to regard the station amenities as a fail. There is very little shelter on the platform & the small 3/4 height glass partitions around the seats are virtually useless as protection from the wind & rain. The only redeeming feature it has is a nice view of the bay. Whoever designed it didn't take into account the weather that you will frequently get at that location. Irrespective of the pros & cons of above & below ground crossing removals future passengers at Bonbeach, Chelsea & Edithvale might be grateful that their new stations won't be elevated, at least they won't run the risk of suffering from hypothermia in the winter like those at the new Carrum!
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mike49
I guess you'd just have to wait downstairs on such days.
  Daryl Junior Train Controller

Location: Carrum Downs
I board the train at Seaford.

I used to board the 6:53 train to the City Loop.
However this was a train originating from Carrum and now originates from the new Kananook yard.
When Carrum was closed the train stopped at Seaford.
Now that Carrum is opened, the train starts from Kananook and runs non-stop through Seaford.

Obviously the powers that be didn't want to change the timetable to minimise the disruption.
Today I caught an earlier train from Seaford and changed trains at Carrum and caught the City Loop train.

I thought the train could depart slightly earlier so it could stop at Seaford, however today's train arrived 4 minutes early and waited at Carrum. I think there is very little impediment to stop the train at Seaford.

There are another three trains that originate from Kananook in the morning and I think (I haven't checked) they all run non-stop through Seaford.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I board the train at Seaford.

I used to board the 6:53 train to the City Loop.
However this was a train originating from Carrum and now originates from the new Kananook yard.
When Carrum was closed the train stopped at Seaford.
Now that Carrum is opened, the train starts from Kananook and runs non-stop through Seaford.

Obviously the powers that be didn't want to change the timetable to minimise the disruption.
Today I caught an earlier train from Seaford and changed trains at Carrum and caught the City Loop train.

I thought the train could depart slightly earlier so it could stop at Seaford, however today's train arrived 4 minutes early and waited at Carrum. I think there is very little impediment to stop the train at Seaford.

There are another three trains that originate from Kananook in the morning and I think (I haven't checked) they all run non-stop through Seaford.
Daryl
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