I believe a number of people here predicted this.
There is a lot of history that will go to a museum, I am sure.Holden has long had a quite close relationship with the National Motor Museum which has included donating a large number of cars (both 'normal' and unique ones) and other exhibits, including a permanent production line themed installation.
It would be great if Holden could branch out into some other manufacturing enterprise, in a similar way it started. Could it make trains or rail infrastructure? I guess the horse bolted when the factory shut down. What has been operating since is a hard sell to cynical consumers who saw the difference between marketing and reality.Holden is a subsidiary of General Motors and not an independent company, so that would be a decision for GM to make.
There is no suggestion that General Motors will stop selling cars here.It's not just a suggestion, it's been confirmed that GM is not doing any more right hand drive vehicles anywhere. They left the UK/Ireland market a couple of years ago (sold off Opel and Vauxhall to Groupe PSA) are exiting Thailand this year as well as Australia/NZ.
I expect that some Korean built cars will arrive with the Chevrolet badges they carry in other markets.
If GM is resolute on not building any RHD cars, what does that mean for us? Will Ford, FCA and others follow suit? Will we get a new industry of go-between conversion companies replacing the dashboard, and moving everything (including the steering arm) under the hood due to (the traditional) weaker structures on the right side of the car? Expensive!For a start, FCA is being taken over by Groupe PSA over the course of this year so they won't be building anything anywhere. Hopefully Jeep will be shut down pronto.
If our cars come from countries like South Korea (and China) who are willing to make anything cheaply, and we keep buying Toyotas, will American cars permanently bite our red dust? I guess much depends on what can be made for the British and Japanese markets.Yes, American cars will become even more rare in Australia than they are currently. I say good riddance, almost all of them are terrible cars.
Anyways, after this transition ends. The existing Holden's will skyrocket in price!I predict that resale value of Holdens will plummet. Too much uncertainty over reliability and the availability of quality servicing.
Ford has its team here for a reason, it actually sells stuff, well at least the Ford Ranger, 41,000 units but more importantly the basic design for the Ranger is done in Australia with Australia being one of the key markets. The next model ranger is being designed in Mel as we speak using a VW drive train. However after that the Ranger will share the F150 platform and with that yes the Australian design team will likely be downsized, although how much? Note Mazda also have their own design team to Mazadify the Ranger and they sell only 12,000 or so.
I'd predict that Ford will stick with dual platforms and will stay in the Australian market, but that their presence in Australia will soon be downsized to just the same sort of sales/service stuff that other companies such as Mitsubishi have. There's simply no need to have the headcount they have in Australia when they don't build anything here.If our cars come from countries like South Korea (and China) who are willing to make anything cheaply, and we keep buying Toyotas, will American cars permanently bite our red dust? I guess much depends on what can be made for the British and Japanese markets.Yes, American cars will become even more rare in Australia than they are currently. I say good riddance, almost all of them are terrible cars.
Even Tesla will only be an American-based company now that the bulk of production has shifted to China and design/engineering work is due to shift to Germany. The shift to Germany is a smart move, their current strength of PR hype getting in the early adopters will only get them so far and they will need quality design to stay competitive against the big boys.
It's not just a suggestion, it's been confirmed that GM is not doing any more right hand drive vehicles anywhere. They left the UK/Ireland market a couple of years ago (sold off Opel and Vauxhall to Groupe PSA) are exiting Thailand this year as well as Australia/NZ.Yep and his predecessors said that the Australian government's tax payer funded $2B investment will be maintain Australian production for two models.
I watched the press conference live.
The GM guy on the podium there said that right hand drive Corvettes will still be imported to Australia.
Of course you may know more than he does...
Peter
The future of the Aussie market is that the American auto makers will pull out, eventually. All of them.Eventually is completely open ended. Eventually there will be no car industry as we know it, all self driving EVs which will have no resemblance to what is on the road now. They may even be made in Australia once again as the methods of construction will be completely different.
We will probably be left with the Korean, Chinese, Indian autos, and of course, Toyotas.
The Europeans may offer us whatever is offered in Japan and UK.
The end.
Footballs, meat pies, kangaroos, electric cars,,,,,,The future of the Aussie market is that the American auto makers will pull out, eventually. All of them.Eventually is completely open ended. Eventually there will be no car industry as we know it, all self driving EVs which will have no resemblance to what is on the road now. They may even be made in Australia once again as the methods of construction will be completely different.
We will probably be left with the Korean, Chinese, Indian autos, and of course, Toyotas.
The Europeans may offer us whatever is offered in Japan and UK.
The end.
In the meantime Ford for one isn't going anywhere. They still employ 2000 people in design and RnD in Australia, way more than Holdens do after the shutdown of local production.
The future of the Aussie market is that the American auto makers will pull out, eventually. All of them.Eventually is completely open ended. Eventually there will be no car industry as we know it, all self driving EVs which will have no resemblance to what is on the road now. They may even be made in Australia once again as the methods of construction will be completely different.
We will probably be left with the Korean, Chinese, Indian autos, and of course, Toyotas.
The Europeans may offer us whatever is offered in Japan and UK.
The end.
In the meantime Ford for one isn't going anywhere. They still employ 2000 people in design and RnD in Australia, way more than Holdens do after the shutdown of local production.
Who or what is H2, please?The future of the Aussie market is that the American auto makers will pull out, eventually. All of them.Eventually is completely open ended. Eventually there will be no car industry as we know it, all self driving EVs which will have no resemblance to what is on the road now. They may even be made in Australia once again as the methods of construction will be completely different.
We will probably be left with the Korean, Chinese, Indian autos, and of course, Toyotas.
The Europeans may offer us whatever is offered in Japan and UK.
The end.
In the meantime Ford for one isn't going anywhere. They still employ 2000 people in design and RnD in Australia, way more than Holdens do after the shutdown of local production.
The "car" industry is being rebranded the "mobility" industry for a reason. Cars as we know it, ie internal combustion engine, gear box with manual controls are approaching the end of their era in humanity over the coming decade. In other words I think we are at the equivalent of the 1950's in the steam era for trains.
The future is semi and fully-autonomous driven with electric drive train as a min for most passenger vehicles, H2 is likely to play a part on larger vehicles.
The writing had been on the wall for a long time. Isuzu has been propping up Holden while the Euro models have been a difficult sell.GM got out of making trains well diesel locomotives in America they sold off EMD to company that own Caterpillar so really I could not see them going back into making locomotives in the future. So all new EMD locomotives are really just a Caterpillar under the hood.
There is a lot of history that will go to a museum, I am sure.
It would be great if Holden could branch out into some other manufacturing enterprise, in a similar way it started. Could it make trains or rail infrastructure? I guess the horse bolted when the factory shut down. What has been operating since is a hard sell to cynical consumers who saw the difference between marketing and reality.
H2 is a gas which forms when two hydrogen atoms bond together and become a hydrogen molecule. H2 is also called molecular hydrogen.It consists of two protons and two electrons. Consequently it is the most common form of Hydrogen because it is stable with a neutral chargeWho or what is H2, please?The future of the Aussie market is that the American auto makers will pull out, eventually. All of them.Eventually is completely open ended. Eventually there will be no car industry as we know it, all self driving EVs which will have no resemblance to what is on the road now. They may even be made in Australia once again as the methods of construction will be completely different.
We will probably be left with the Korean, Chinese, Indian autos, and of course, Toyotas.
The Europeans may offer us whatever is offered in Japan and UK.
The end.
In the meantime Ford for one isn't going anywhere. They still employ 2000 people in design and RnD in Australia, way more than Holdens do after the shutdown of local production.
The "car" industry is being rebranded the "mobility" industry for a reason. Cars as we know it, ie internal combustion engine, gear box with manual controls are approaching the end of their era in humanity over the coming decade. In other words I think we are at the equivalent of the 1950's in the steam era for trains.
The future is semi and fully-autonomous driven with electric drive train as a min for most passenger vehicles, H2 is likely to play a part on larger vehicles.
H2 is a gas which forms when two hydrogen atoms bond together and become a hydrogen molecule. H2 is also called molecular hydrogen.It consists of two protons and two electrons. Consequently it is the most common form of Hydrogen because it is stable with a neutral chargeWho or what is H2, please?The future of the Aussie market is that the American auto makers will pull out, eventually. All of them.Eventually is completely open ended. Eventually there will be no car industry as we know it, all self driving EVs which will have no resemblance to what is on the road now. They may even be made in Australia once again as the methods of construction will be completely different.
We will probably be left with the Korean, Chinese, Indian autos, and of course, Toyotas.
The Europeans may offer us whatever is offered in Japan and UK.
The end.
In the meantime Ford for one isn't going anywhere. They still employ 2000 people in design and RnD in Australia, way more than Holdens do after the shutdown of local production.
The "car" industry is being rebranded the "mobility" industry for a reason. Cars as we know it, ie internal combustion engine, gear box with manual controls are approaching the end of their era in humanity over the coming decade. In other words I think we are at the equivalent of the 1950's in the steam era for trains.
The future is semi and fully-autonomous driven with electric drive train as a min for most passenger vehicles, H2 is likely to play a part on larger vehicles.
Like CO2 or CO2 or H2 or H2 do you mean? Or perhaps H2SO4.Who or what is H2, please?H2 is the chemical symbol for Hydrogen. Unfortunately the formatting here prevents me from using the proper format of H (subscript)2, like CO2 should be written, but generally understood regardless.