The Aussie politics thread -

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Thought that it might be time to open a new thread to combine several others scattered around devoted to both Commonwealth and the various state politicians... they're all feeding from the same public trough after all!

Starting with the ASIO raid against NSW Labor politicians Shaoquett Moselmane this morning: Lots of interesting things have been coming out about this - ABC news:

NSW Labor leader Jodi McKay confirmed she was aware of the raids, and that the party would suspend Mr Moselmane's membership. Ms McKay described reports that Mr Moselmane's office had allegedly been infiltrated by Chinese government agents as "dreadfully concerning".

"I was advised early this morning that there had been search warrants executed on the home of Mr Moselmane," she said.
Ms McKay said suspending Mr Moselmane's membership was "the right thing to do".

At least the Labor Party have acted swiftly this time. It's also interesting to note that the criticism of Moselmane was widely condemned as thinly veiled Islamophoiba prior to these raids - Australian Muslim Times:

The disgraceful treatment of the Honourable Shaoquett Moselmane MLC by the Murdoch media led by 2GB shock jocks must be condemned and his witch-hunt by pro-Israel lobbyists because of his proactive support for justice to Palestinians and South Lebanese against Israeli aggression is appalling. The weak-kneed response of this onslaught against a colleague by the NSW Labor leader Jodi McKay MP is highly disappointing and shown to be a leader incapable of standing up for her colleagues and for what’s right.

Seems like the shock jocks had it right this time?

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
M.R Moselmane's brother was calling these raids "racism", it seems as though that's the thing these days, call out racism when you don't like what's being said or done, I understand that Moselmane referred to white Australian's as "scum" sometime back as well, pot, kettle, black??
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/obsolete-scum-of-white-australia-behind-anti-chinese-sentiment-says-nsw-labor-mp-20200405-p54h9m.html#comments
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
M.R Moselmane's brother was calling these raids "racism", it seems as though that's the thing these days, call out racism when you don't like what's being said or done, I understand that Moselmane referred to white Australian's as "scum" sometime back as well, pot, kettle, black??
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/obsolete-scum-of-white-australia-behind-anti-chinese-sentiment-says-nsw-labor-mp-20200405-p54h9m.html#comments
lsrailfan
How would his brother know whether or not he's on the take? The short answer is that he doesn't. And the thing that directly raised suspicions (so I've been reading today) was his interview for the Chinese media where he used the phrase "obsolete scum of white Australia" - the rumor is that he was paid for that and probably didn't even see the final text that was published. Aldi bag full of cash kinda stuff - like the NSW Labor Party didn't already have problems with that kind of behaviour.

Speaking of Communist Party operatives, has anyone else heard that there's quite a few in Dan Andrews cabinet and indeed someone connected to the "United Work Front" in Dan's own staff? If true then the Dan Andrews has some really significant questions to answer, doesn't he.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
What about this NSW politician who had his house and office raided today by ASIO and the Federal Police over links with China. I don’t think he will be the first to be raises.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

While I am not commenting about today's developments, I am surprised that some of the ALP leadership is surprised ... by anything that surprises them.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

What about this NSW politician who had his house and office raided today by ASIO and the Federal Police over links with China. I don’t think he will be the first to be raises.
freightgate
You plonker, who do you think the previous posts have been about?

Google it.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Tomorrow's Newspoll shows ScoMo pulling way out in front of Albo as perferred Prime Minister - 58/26.

It's the Eden/Monaro by-election on Saturday, I'd say that if Labor lose then Albo's goose is cooked.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It's the Eden/Monaro by-election on Saturday, I'd say that if Labor lose then Albo's goose is cooked.
"don_dunstan"
I think so; the only thing that could save him is that there is just no obvious replacement. Labor appears in some ways to be still mired in the past, when voters voted for a party of their choice, and it really didn't matter who the leader was. The advent of television changed that, and with leaders being beamed into every living room, the need for personality and a bit of charisma became obvious. Think Whitlam, Keating, Hawke, Rudd - leaving aside their deeds after they were elected, each did TV well.
Albo comes across as a dull plodder with all the personality of a dead salmon.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
' Albo comes across as a dull plodder with all the personality of a dead salmon. '
Albo is a star when compared with the Victorian Health woman (Captain Cook v the Aboriginals)?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

If the LNP don’t will the Eden-Monaro buy election, will Scumo and Co honour their financial commitments made during the campaign?
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
' Albo comes across as a dull plodder with all the personality of a dead salmon. '
Albo is a star when compared with the Victorian Health woman (Captain Cook v the Aboriginals)?
YM-Mundrabilla

I would like him to be more progressive creating policies and telling australian's why the policies are  better than the libs but maybe they feel they were burnt in the last federal election and it is better lay low for a period and then pick up the pace.  Today polling shows Morrison rating is edging higher.

If not Albo then who would you have lead?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

' Albo comes across as a dull plodder with all the personality of a dead salmon. '
Albo is a star when compared with the Victorian Health woman (Captain Cook v the Aboriginals)?

I would like him to be more progressive creating policies and telling australian's why the policies are  better than the libs but maybe they feel they were burnt in the last federal election and it is better lay low for a period and then pick up the pace.  Today polling shows Morrison rating is edging higher.

If not Albo then who would you have lead?
NSWGR8022
However, the 2% lead the Libs have over Labor has not changed so it's anyone's guess who will take Eden/Monaro. The Labor candidate is very popular and this often is a significant factor in rural seats rather than party politics.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
China is going fully crazy - in response to the raid on NSW MP Shaoquett Moselmane the unofficial international mouthpiece of the Communist Party, Global Times has accused Australia of spying on China;

The Global Times learned from the Chinese law-enforcement agency that Australian security intelligence agencies are not just spying on China within Chinese territory, but also conduct acts against overseas Chinese in Australia and other countries, such as inciting the defection of some overseas Chinese to work for them.

A case cracked by the Chinese law-enforcement agency showed that Australian security intelligence agencies incited the defection of a targeted person and trained him on Swan Island near Canberra with professional espionage skills, and then sent him back to China for intelligence gathering.

They also showed nice pictures of a subway map and a compass (presumably our spies don't have GPS?) and move through a range of fuzzy allegations before coming to the conclusion that we're a hostile foreign power.

I'm just wondering if we'll ever grow a pair and declare the same thing of them?
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Yeah well....... We're too deep in their pockets now.
Nobody is going to take us seriously (them included) until we start cancelling port leases and confiscating purchased property et all.

These muppets are the ones who've been driving the mad property boom we've either seen or benefited from over the last 15yrs. Aussies are typically greedy, and we don't give a rats who we sell to as long as its top dollar. Chinese are happy to pay it because they're all the beneficiaries of their One Child Policy. Us.... We have siblings, and so did our parents. This mob don't, and when two marry they're loaded, the borrow from what family they have or friends and have little involvement with banks. Us locals typically have finance issues et all to navigate.

Name the last time at an auction an Aussie was selling their property, a Chinese couple won the bid, an the vendor decided to accept the second highest bid from another Aussie couple wanting to buy into the local area to get their kid(s) into a good school and be part of the local community. Um................ Nope. Why is that?

Trying to compete with others who are next level....... Rolling Eyes

Regards

ps - when you outsource the worlds factory to people who choose to out do you with wages/conditions/lack of living standards, then you set an addiction precedent where gee.... biting the hand that's now feeding you/sustaining your lifestyle is fraught with a F ken lot of consequences.

This Adam Hudson on Youtube flogging his "get rich with Amazon and make it all in China" being point in case.
  CPH8 Locomotive Driver

And Swan Island is a fair way away from Canberra...but how do they know about it?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
And Swan Island is a fair way away from Canberra...but how do they know about it?
CPH8
I had the same thought - Queenscliff (VIC) is near Canberra? I think they need their own map and compass.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Yeah well....... We're too deep in their pockets now.
Nobody is going to take us seriously (them included) until we start cancelling port leases and confiscating purchased property et all.

These muppets are the ones who've been driving the mad property boom we've either seen or benefited from over the last 15yrs. Aussies are typically greedy, and we don't give a rats who we sell to as long as its top dollar. Chinese are happy to pay it because they're all the beneficiaries of their One Child Policy. Us.... We have siblings, and so did our parents. This mob don't, and when two marry they're loaded, the borrow from what family they have or friends and have little involvement with banks. Us locals typically have finance issues et all to navigate.
davesvline
Well I think the answers like back in time with Hawke/Keating when they made the decision that we'd compete head-to-head with Asia with no tariffs and no barriers to trade - despite the fact that it wasn't always reciprocated.

My issue with China is that Australians aren't allowed buy houses in China the same as Chinese people can buy houses here - we aren't permitted to buy land there and if we want to set up a business we have to have an equal Chinese partner who owns at least half of it. The O'Dwyer report (2014) into the foreign ownership of Aussie real-estate concluded that the government wouldn't do a thing about it because it was good for real estate prices in Australia but as you say nobody considers the fact that its pricing young Aussies out of the market. Also real-estate is exempt from cash-laundering laws - why? There's all sorts of inconsistencies and double-standards going on here.
Name the last time at an auction an Aussie was selling their property, a Chinese couple won the bid, an the vendor decided to accept the second highest bid from another Aussie couple wanting to buy into the local area to get their kid(s) into a good school and be part of the local community. Um................ Nope. Why is that? Trying to compete with others who are next level.......
davesvline
Well if someone offered you a higher price as a vendor you'd take it. But the issue is that we have world-beating real estate prices (Sydney is still generally more expensive than London or Manhattan) but our underlying economy is based on selling houses to each other at ever-higher prices AND bringing new entrants in at a rate of 400,000 or so a year (a new Canberra) to keep the demand for real-estate and consumer goods high.

It's totally stupid and it relies on the premise that we can import people who will want to live here indefinitely and that there won't be any problems with the provision of infrastructure or services to those new residents into perpetuity especially with the unemployment rate set to rise to over 10% come the end of Jobkeeper.
ps - when you outsource the worlds factory to people who choose to out do you with wages/conditions/lack of living standards, then you set an addiction precedent where gee.... biting the hand that's now feeding you/sustaining your lifestyle is fraught with a F ken lot of consequences. This Adam Hudson on Youtube flogging his "get rich with Amazon and make it all in China" being point in case.
davesvline
Well that paradigm is now broken with the Chinese going off us; economic retaliation will be next.

Honestly, who cares - we don't need those class-A oppressive murderous commies anyway, we're going to be better off in the long run without them.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Yeah well....... We're too deep in their pockets now.
Nobody is going to take us seriously (them included) until we start cancelling port leases and confiscating purchased property et all.

These muppets are the ones who've been driving the mad property boom we've either seen or benefited from over the last 15yrs. Aussies are typically greedy, and we don't give a rats who we sell to as long as its top dollar. Chinese are happy to pay it because they're all the beneficiaries of their One Child Policy. Us.... We have siblings, and so did our parents. This mob don't, and when two marry they're loaded, the borrow from what family they have or friends and have little involvement with banks. Us locals typically have finance issues et all to navigate.
Well I think the answers like back in time with Hawke/Keating when they made the decision that we'd compete head-to-head with Asia with no tariffs and no barriers to trade - despite the fact that it wasn't always reciprocated.

My issue with China is that Australians aren't allowed buy houses in China the same as Chinese people can buy houses here - we aren't permitted to buy land there and if we want to set up a business we have to have an equal Chinese partner who owns at least half of it. The O'Dwyer report (2014) into the foreign ownership of Aussie real-estate concluded that the government wouldn't do a thing about it because it was good for real estate prices in Australia but as you say nobody considers the fact that its pricing young Aussies out of the market. Also real-estate is exempt from cash-laundering laws - why? There's all sorts of inconsistencies and double-standards going on here.
Name the last time at an auction an Aussie was selling their property, a Chinese couple won the bid, an the vendor decided to accept the second highest bid from another Aussie couple wanting to buy into the local area to get their kid(s) into a good school and be part of the local community. Um................ Nope. Why is that? Trying to compete with others who are next level.......
Well if someone offered you a higher price as a vendor you'd take it. But the issue is that we have world-beating real estate prices (Sydney is still generally more expensive than London or Manhattan) but our underlying economy is based on selling houses to each other at ever-higher prices AND bringing new entrants in at a rate of 400,000 or so a year (a new Canberra) to keep the demand for real-estate and consumer goods high.

It's totally stupid and it relies on the premise that we can import people who will want to live here indefinitely and that there won't be any problems with the provision of infrastructure or services to those new residents into perpetuity especially with the unemployment rate set to rise to over 10% come the end of Jobkeeper.
ps - when you outsource the worlds factory to people who choose to out do you with wages/conditions/lack of living standards, then you set an addiction precedent where gee.... biting the hand that's now feeding you/sustaining your lifestyle is fraught with a F ken lot of consequences. This Adam Hudson on Youtube flogging his "get rich with Amazon and make it all in China" being point in case.
Well that paradigm is now broken with the Chinese going off us; economic retaliation will be next.

Honestly, who cares - we don't need those class-A oppressive murderous commies anyway, we're going to be better off in the long run without them.
don_dunstan
Well, by our standards China is not all that democratic, but on the other hand when have they really had a democracy? If you keep your nose clean the average Chinese citizen has never had it so good from an income point of view and the ability to purchase a large range of consumer goods.

Whilst many Chinese living in Australia don't like the flavour of the government in China, they are very fond of China as their homeland. In fact I worked with many Chinese professionals that actually hate the Japanese more than the Chinese hierarchy.

The Japanese murdered lots of Australians during WW2 unlike the Chinese although you cannot hold the present Japanese generations for the atrocities their forefathers committed. And don't forget the rape of Nanking.

However, the present dear leader might not last long if he upsets too many of the comrades if their sales to Australia are endangered too much. It's possible this is already happening.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The Chinese that I have worked with in the Pilbara all hated the Japanese. There was no way that we could take them to the Japanese restaurant in Port Hedland.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Well, by our standards China is not all that democratic, but on the other hand when have they really had a democracy? If you keep your nose clean the average Chinese citizen has never had it so good from an income point of view and the ability to purchase a large range of consumer goods.
nswtrains
Yeah but you could be arrested just for having the conversation that we're having right now, you are not allowed to talk about the government in the way that we are here. No amount of lovely consumer durables would make me give up my right to speak out about corruption, dirty old politicians and their misdeeds - no way.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The Chinese that I have worked with in the Pilbara all hated the Japanese. There was no way that we could take them to the Japanese restaurant in Port Hedland.
YM-Mundrabilla
There's no love lost there over the Japanese indiscriminate murder and destruction in Manchuria in the late thirties - incidentally that was the first time that the League of Nations (the failed forerunner of the United Nations) was shown to be weak and incapable of preventing conflict.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

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Surely, this is a gee up.

Apologies, posted three times, why?
Need to open image to view in entirety.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/australia-unveils-10-year-defence-strategy/12408232
Luckily Joshy from accounts found that $60billion underspend on jobkeeper, he dropped behind the lounge.
Debt and deficit disaster looming.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Well they've also said that they definitely will not be raising the rate of the Newstart/Jobseeker allowance after weeks of rumors that they were going to increase it to $350 p/w, so it will remain @ $275 p/w.

There's going to be a hell of a lot of people who have never experienced how difficult it is to live on the dole trying to get by on that really paltry amount of money - particularly in those high cost cities. Latest estimates I've seen is that there will be somewhere between 1.5 million to 2 million officially unemployed once Jobkeeper runs out in two months.

In addition - the crisis is NOT over as we've seen in Victoria in the last week.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/australia-unveils-10-year-defence-strategy/12408232
Luckily Joshy from accounts found that $60billion underspend on jobkeeper, he dropped behind the lounge.
Debt and deficit disaster looming.
michaelgm
We won't know the extent of the disaster until the Commonwealth budget comes out in October.

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