I seriously doubt that TfNSW and the Minister weren't aware that the D sets built in South Korea, which have the same profile as the H sets (Oscars), would be too wide for the Western Line between Springwood and Lithgow and would require modifications to the track infrastructure, stations and tunnels along the corridor. It's no different to the similar modifications which were carried out on the Intercity network to the Northern, South Coast and Western Lines (the latter as far as Springwood) to accommodate the H sets.
At last some sensible commentary from the NSW Opposition, although I can't understand why they persist with the commonly mistaken view that the New Intercity Fleet was built too wide to fit through the tunnels. That's untrue and the wider profile was quite deliberate.To be fair, the NSW Government never actually explained that the wide profile was deliberate - they told us the trains were "off the shelf", did not fit through the tunnels, and Andrew Constance even claimed the Blue Mountains MP did not want new trains when they were concerned about "fat trains that didn't fit the track" and "rigid uncomfortable seating" (yet to be proven/disproven) - all of that was enough for me to draw the conclusion that the government hates local manufacturing so much that they ordered some random Korean train only to find out it didn't fit the tunnels.
It took me coming onto Railpage to see the truth, why couldn't the government just explain it to everyone?
But yes, build trains, buses, ferrys, cars, trams, etc, all in NSW, all in Australia, create local jobs, and why they are at it, build infrastructure in all cities that need it, not just the capitals - just us out of recession the proper way, instead of just going about using tax payer money to punish the unemployed (privatised cashless welfare cards).
I like to remain politically neutral regards Gladys, however to state that 'Australia and NSW are not good at building trains' shows that she was badly briefed by her minders who should have done more research before making her look like a goose.Let's see if the Waratah's last as long as the S-Sets and V-Sets have...
It's a perfectly logical decision to have a common profile for the whole Intercity fleet to allow greater flexibility of operations, rather than the current situation where the sector between Springwood and Lithgow on the Western Line can only accommodate the narrower V sets, which are to be replaced. There's no problem with the other lines as they have already been modified.
What is surprising is that they didn't explain this upfront, when they could have avoided all of this unnecessary criticism.
Well that's exactly what I said, what does "off the shelf" even mean because the trains are clearly designed for NSW electric railways.
It took me coming onto Railpage to understand about the need for a common profile, and that's only because I have an interest in railways and public transport - most of the travelling public don't even know anything about loading gauge and platform gap limits, etc.
All that the public has heard is that the trains are "off the shelf" from South Korea, and they don't fit through the tunnels in the Blue Mountains, it's pretty easy to draw the wrong conclusion from that limited information.
How much extra would it cost to build in NSW? and for that matter the same question likely applies to all states.
The big problem in many ways is getting the design plans done and to have them set for production here, certainly there would be extra costs associated with this, and likely would take longer to construct and get into service as well which is what the current government and those of the past have used to justify overseas countries building a huge amount of items for the Australian market owing to cost differences.
Thing is though, if they were built here in NSW, imagine how many extra jobs would be created in pretty much private industries, this includes the large numbers of coal wagons and they could be built in the respective states, Lansdowne Engineering near Taree built a large number of them and repaired others as well, that no longer happens and many workers were made redundant as a result.
Similar scenario's still exist & what governments of all persuasions promote these issues for their own benefit and usually for elections to stay in power. IF these items along with other areas such as the rail tracks were made in their respective states, I would imagine that the would be a lot more jobs made available, meaning more taxes to be collected, and of benefit should the work go to regional areas, it creates work in areas that need such business/industry for their ongoing survival.
There would or could be a lot of advantages in local construction even if it costs more and takes somewhat longer, especially in the above areas, and each level of government would get taxes back to them from the increased number of local workers that would be employed.
Will these new train sets, replace older DD sets or be additional to the current needs? Is there plans to replace the Tangarra's as well?
The current leader of the NSW opposition, used to be a news reader at NBN in the old days and was at the time very much a lobbyist for the removal of the NCLE rail line from BMD in, this was prior to being elected to a labor seat in NCLE and then moving to Sydney to get the seat bounded in Strathfield. I find it interesting that she has come out in the way she is now, when in the past was very much in the other view.
It may be expensive to use local labour to build the trains here but:
-no need to pay unemployment benefits to as many people
-more revenue collected from tax
-money gets paid to workers which stimulates the economy
-likely can creates jobs outside of Sydney, giving people more choice in where they live
-potentially get a better quality product which lasts longer and saves money in the long run
as opposed to building them offshore:
-need to pay unemployment benefits to more people
-less tax revenue
-money is leaked out of the economy
-the few jobs we have remain in Sydney, continuing the trend of overpriced housing
The new intercity trains (D-Sets_ are replacing the V-Sets and displacing OSCars to suburban services, the OSCars will then likely replace K-Sets and C-Sets (good riddance). There are no plans to replace Tangaras are they are getting an upgrade.
I'm not too sure, but it appears that there is a greater number of D-Sets being ordered then there are V-Sets and OSCars in service - so we may see increased intercity services, probably to make up for less seats.