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aragorn
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:07 pm
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Does anyone know why the Tasman limited service was canned back in the 70's? I would have thought that a service between HBA - LST at least would have been viable. Or was is it a case yet again of substandard track/ mountainous terrain making the journey too slow relative to road?
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tasrail2100
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:47 pm
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i was not around when the limited was given the flick but yes, the track was not good enough to allow the trains to travel fast enough to be viable.
the improvements with cars etc. made it easier and cheaper to travel by road.
however i believe that yes, an intercity route between launceston and hobart, maybe even burnie-devonport-launceston hobart could be viable, if the track was fast enough, as bus fares are sky high and the road isn't that quick down south - a fast train would be competitive, but will never eventuate.
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DavidB
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:58 pm
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Plus the Tasman Limited had a top speed of 45mph.
Cheers
David
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tasrail
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:06 pm
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It was somting AN never really wanted when the took over. Like many passenger trains, expenses didn't cover costs, and as the system wasn't state owned it was harder to subsidise. The Tasmanian government had little interest in doing this and din't push it.
As for timings, it took a shade under 5 hours to get from Hobart to Launceston (dept 0920, arr 1415). You could do it by car in under half that. You didn't get to Burnie until 1735.
I think a lot of the reasons are covered in the Joy Report, but I don't have a copy of that in my draw . . .
Stuart
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RTT_Rules
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:15 pm
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| tasrail wrote: | It was somting AN never really wanted when the took over. Like many passenger trains, expenses didn't cover costs, and as the system wasn't state owned it was harder to subsidise. The Tasmanian government had little interest in doing this and din't push it.
As for timings, it took a shade under 5 hours to get from Hobart to Launceston (dept 0920, arr 1415). You could do it by car in under half that. You didn't get to Burnie until 1735.
I think a lot of the reasons are covered in the Joy Report, but I don't have a copy of that in my draw . . .
Stuart |
The other train was a slow old loco hauled thing. May have been a nice, but hardly a flyer. If you the track quality on the current alignment was good enough to enable the freights to run at curvature speed up to a max of 80km/hr. ie steel sleepers on good rail. Then using a modern track friendly DMU, say 3 car set capable of seating say 75 people with a food bar to sell munchies and drinks. You should be able to at 20-25% to corner speeds and same on straights as the shorter train speeds less time in a curve and causes less track forces. This is better than the old 70km/hr max.
Also a shorter train is better for the smaller stations with less stopping time, some of which today would not be serviced anyway cutting more time. Additionally in 2004 the freight trains are bigger so less traffic to pass. In the end my guess is that we are down from 5hr H-L and 8hr H-B to around 3hr and 5-6hr. Burnie may not even be worth the trouble due to the very curvey track compared to a 4L hwy and low population and simply stop at Devonport with bus connection.
These times are comparable with the bus, but the pain is still that L'ton is not on the route to Hobart and you still have to provide another train, bus or go via L'ton city (like most buses from memory). This adds time and you loose some pax.
Shane
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