The Willunga Railway Line

 
  allan Chief Commissioner

The photos have been available for purchase on a DVD.

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  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The DVD would be a very good source for any railway modeller of South Australia at least, there is even some interstate trams on there as well and a lot of other things. I knew the late Dean Jackson personally and I often wondered how many camera's he went through over the years though as he photographed thankfully what a lot of other photographers would dismiss as every day events.

I have a copy of that DVD and it is quite good and has been used as a modelling resource by me. Contact him via his site for more info about the disc's. He gets on to here from time to time as well.
  mickeyfinn Station Master


I am aware of a significant mud hole in this area which has meant frequent TSRs in this area. Would this have something to do with the lean in the signal cabin?
"nm39"


The mention of the so called mud hole may be correct . There used to be a creek or large water run off area just behind the old RSL clubrooms about where the railway houses were bult in the Fifties . perhaps old survey maps of the Edwardstown may show this .

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  mickeyfinn Station Master


[ One little detail about Edwardstown was that the point rod runners to the up end had four spaces but only used three. (trailing cross over, facing point to goods roads and facing point lock). I wondered if the trailing crossover had a lock because there was a train day which terminated at Edwardstown; Saturday I think. Regards Ian[/quote]

Ian 

 Further to my last posting regarding the termination of the railcar service at Edwardstown re the night service ,have you been able to glean in further info on these points especially the midday service ?

 

Regards Mike

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner


G'day Mike

No, I have about exhausted my knowledge on the subject.

Knowledge obtained over years of travelling past Edwardstown to/from Warradale or Hove and from time to time catching a train there. For a short time in the mid 60s I worked at GW Robinson on Delaine Ave. On a few occasions in the 70s I caught the train there because my inlaws lived near by. One time in the 70s I was surprised to see parcels being delivered  to the station master from a road truck parked on the goods siding opposite the station building; an almost timeless scene.

I would be intetrested to find out more about Pengillys. Did their site become Hills?

Regards

Ian

 

  mickeyfinn Station Master




G'day Mike

No, I have about exhausted my knowledge on the subject.

Knowledge obtained over years of travelling past Edwardstown to/from Warradale or Hove and from time to time catching a train there. For a short time in the mid 60s I worked at GW Robinson on Delaine Ave. On a few occasions in the 70s I caught the train there because my inlaws lived near by. One time in the 70s I was surprised to see parcels being delivered  to the station master from a road truck parked on the goods siding opposite the station building; an almost timeless scene.

I would be intetrested to find out more about Pengillys. Did their site become Hills?

Regards

Ian

Ian Its a small world I remember one annual Holidays that I spent in Pt Lincoln and as a youngster made friends with another whose father was the owner of G W Robinson around 1953 or so . I think he then went on to take over the business and possibly was the person you worked for . I think his name was David .

I regards to freight being handled at Edwardstown back in the single line days there was a bakery in Delaine called Munns Bakery ,later to become Munns Lawns , it was located about where the old Toc H hall was .Munns apparently used to have some big contracts with the stations in the north and used to freight their famous fruit cakes in large boxes per train from Edwardstown generally on the afternoon train about 4 15 PM the freight was accepted by the SM and then loaded in the brake van from station.

From what I can gather the original Pengally factory became Hills Hoists some time in the late forties or so and to my know ledge no freight ever worked during this time .

The railcar termination at Edwardstown would probably show up in the time tables ,but I have not been able to source these other than the actual Willunga running schedules . I believe they may be available in the Pt Dock Museum but as I am in Perth difficult to research .

By the way who were your in laws Edwardstown ? it is a small area and who knows I just might have heard of them .

Great to mule over old times and I suppose its a sign of getting old as things always seemd better then .

Good web ! lets hope others can add some info

Mike

 

"steam4ian"


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  mickeyfinn Station Master

Has been some time since this thread has had any comments . Any more details known?


 
Thanks for that site, never even knew it existed, so much #RailwayNostalgia
"mclaren2007"
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  Shrdlu2 Beginner

MickeyFinn I've sifted through the 18 pages and found the link to the yard diagrams, which you may find very useful :
I'm pleased to say that there are yard diagrams for all the stations from Goodwood to Willunga (that had yards) on this very website. See http://www.railpage.com.au/modules.php?set_albumName=Dreadnought&id=sarbgwillungaline01&name=gallery&include=view_photo.php
"shrdlu"
"2001"


Hi! The site is acting very weird. It will not let me log in as Shrdlu (the name I've always used here) and I had to re-register.

I was trying to access the link above for the yard diagrams, and for some reason a person cannot do that unless logged in. Even after re-registering as Shrdlu2 and logging in, I cannot access the link and its pictures.

Does anyone know how to solve this problem, and, especially, how these yard diagrams can be viewed?

Thanks in advance for your help.
  touring Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
There's lots of useful info in this thread, although most locations are a little vague to me. Perhaps it would be useful to have lived in the area as some of the original posters seem to. The references to UBD street directories aren't a lot of help these days either. Smile

Has anyone thought about using some more recent technology to mark places of interest for future railway archaeologists? 

Google maps is one obvious way, allowing you to add commentary about what to look for something like this.
Or if you want use the technology in your pocket, assuming your mobile phone has a GPS you could use a free app to mark locations and then upload to Google Maps like this.

It would be fascinating to know more about what remains (today), as distinct what was around 7-8 years ago.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There's lots of useful info in this thread, although most locations are a little vague to me. Perhaps it would be useful to have lived in the area as some of the original posters seem to. The references to UBD street directories aren't a lot of help these days either. Smile

Has anyone thought about using some more recent technology to mark places of interest for future railway archaeologists?

Google maps is one obvious way, allowing you to add commentary about what to look for something like this.
Or if you want use the technology in your pocket, assuming your mobile phone has a GPS you could use a free app to mark locations and then upload to Google Maps like this.

It would be fascinating to know more about what remains (today), as distinct what was around 7-8 years ago.
"touring"


Nothing much has changed, it's all still there.
  touring Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
Thanks Aaron. Maybe I am a little dense but I found it hard to work out some of the locations.

One place was referred to as being north of Doctors Rd in one post and south by someone else.
And UBD directory locations described in another post probably wouldn't be found on this years map.

It's reassuring to hear that stuff is still there, but it would be even better to know where "there" is Smile

Thanks
Dave
  xdford Chief Train Controller

My grandmother lived in Vincent St Forbes, now South Plympton and Mitchell Park before that. Her sister (my great aunt) lived with her daughter and son in law in Johnson St in the 60's where we also visited and I can remember seeing 930's shunting at Edwardstown and a 700 or 710 on the Willunga freight during the mid 60's were odd sightings. The 930 I recall was shunting about 5:30/ 6 pm so I'm not sure if it was a Willunga Freight or heading to Lonsdale as there were a number of Y trucks. I would have been about 10 or 11 at the time...

I think it seemed that everyone used to have a granny in the Edwardstown area, certainly I met a lot of school aquaintances in the area - my parents house was in Hectorville, sadly away from the action.

Regards

Trevor
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
My grandmother lived in Vincent St Forbes, now South Plympton and Mitchell Park before that. Her sister (my great aunt) lived with her daughter and son in law in Johnson St in the 60's where we also visited and I can remember seeing 930's shunting at Edwardstown and a 700 or 710 on the Willunga freight during the mid 60's were odd sightings. The 930 I recall was shunting about 5:30/ 6 pm so I'm not sure if it was a Willunga Freight or heading to Lonsdale as there were a number of Y trucks. I would have been about 10 or 11 at the time...

I think it seemed that everyone used to have a granny in the Edwardstown area, certainly I met a lot of school aquaintances in the area - my parents house was in Hectorville, sadly away from the action.

Regards

Trevor
"xdford"


As you know Trevor, I too grew up just up the street from you, and the only railway action was on the various layouts in the garage (Three completely different ones over the years).
My Grandmother lived in Carlise Road Westbourne Park, and my Uncle lived across the road from her. We often visited and nearly always took a wander down to Sussex Terrace level crossing to watch the passing parade, which varied from the Interstate and Intrastate freights to redhens.
I'll never forget the sounds of the 930's and 700 diesels working hard up the grade on a still night! {Pure Heaven!!!!!}  Wink
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Thanks Aaron. Maybe I am a little dense but I found it hard to work out some of the locations.
One place was referred to as being north of Doctors Rd in one post and south by someone else.
And UBD directory locations described in another post probably wouldn't be found on this years map.
It's reassuring to hear that stuff is still there, but it would be even better to know where "there" is Smile
Thanks
Dave
"touring"


I wouldn't be so pessimistic about finding the reference in the current edition of the UBD. I would happily admit that I haven't used a street directory for many years, due first to being a cyclist providing good incentive to reduce my dependency on carrying around such a hefty tome and secondly due to Google Maps. However, unless something has changed in the last couple of years, the datum for the UBD (and Gregory's) always remained the same from one edition to the next, even with map numbers usually remaining the same thanks to the addition of unused maps for future use being added around the edges where future development was considered likely.
  touring Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
You guys have been helpful and quite tolerant of a railways novice in your midst.

However let me clarify this last comment. You no longer use a street directory for a variety of good reasons.
But you think I can/should use one to locate these hidden remains. (And you may well be right in your comment that it is still possible).

The street directory is another item which is going in the same direction as the Willunga line did. Any new people joining this site (if they are under 30 or so) are unlikely to bother with one.

My earlier post was to suggest that there are now new ways of keeping alive this bit of railway history. Ways that will be understood better by younger people.

If it is all too hard, that's fine. It was just a suggestion Smile
  firefly Beginner

hey Baytram
Did you ever write that book? If so I would love to get hold of a copy.
Let me know where I can get a copy
Cheers
  miktrain Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide SA
There's lots of useful info in this thread, although most locations are a little vague to me.
"touring"


To help you out here are some of the locations, dig out Google Earth and have a look


Old Willunga Station 35°16'9.00"S 138°33'4.09"E

Hallet Cove Station 35° 3'58.40"S 138°30'20.36"E

Reynella Station (now NMRI clubroom site 35° 5'41.08"S 138°32'20.43"E

McLaren Vale 35°13'3.49"S 138°32'27.76"E

Old Noarlunga 35°10'55.31"S 138°29'55.23"E

Marino 35° 2'42.75"S 138°30'48.64"E

The corridor between Hallett Cove and Sheidow Park 35° 4'46.05"S 138°31'13.38"E

Overhead cable support bases (still exists)

35° 4'34.99"S 138°31'33.42"E

35° 4'38.24"S 138°31'33.35"E

35° 3'34.98"S 138°31'34.20"E

35° 3'36.31"S 138°31'34.22"E

35° 3'36.90"S 138°31'34.21"E

35° 3'37.69"S 138°31'34.16"E

Young Street Bridge 35° 5'18.17"S 138°32'0.94"E

Junk food corner platform  35° 6'16.64"S 138°31'44.76"E


Tony
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Don't know whether this may help, but go to the - City of Onkarparinga web site and type in the search bar Willunga Rail Terminal and it will give you some history of the line and some old pictures of the station, yard etc which are interesting to look at.

The last time I worked a train down there was in 1966/67 if I recall.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
I just realised that the end of the new Seaford rail line is actually the exact place where the old Moana railway station was located at the Robison Road level crossing.

Griffiths Drive between Main South Road and Commercial Road was called Robinson Road and it was a dead straight road between the two.

It was located about 200 metres east of the round about or better still 200 metres east of the Parade and Grand Boulevard intersection.

I should know, I use to walk along it to go to the Noarlunga primary school in the early 60's.
  baytram366 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
Hi all,
Great to see this thread is still going after so many years.
Sadly, as mentioned a few pages back, I wasn't able to do the book I was planning. Mainly due to copyright issues and getting permission to use photos and then the cost of using such photos was very much a big brick wall to try to break through.
I am still very interested in the line though and am finding the information in this topic very interesting, especially those exact locations of former places on Google Maps.
  touring Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide
Thanks very much milktrain and AFULE!
That will make it so much easier for any newbies to locate things, it's a great help Smile

@baytram366 would an online history be possible?
It seems a pity to lose all the knowledge that you have acquired.  And if other people's photos are online perhaps you could link to them to avoid copyright restrictions?
Judging from the number of people reading this thread there is still a lot of interest, and publishing online also avoids upfront costs.
  r377 Beginner

To help you out here are some of the locations, dig out Google Earth and have a look


Old Willunga Station 35°16'9.00"S 138°33'4.09"E
Hallet Cove Station 35° 3'58.40"S 138°30'20.36"E
Reynella Station (now NMRI clubroom site 35° 5'41.08"S 138°32'20.43"E
McLaren Vale 35°13'3.49"S 138°32'27.76"E
Old Noarlunga 35°10'55.31"S 138°29'55.23"E
Marino 35° 2'42.75"S 138°30'48.64"E
The corridor between Hallett Cove and Sheidow Park 35° 4'46.05"S 138°31'13.38"E
Overhead cable support bases (still exists)
35° 4'34.99"S 138°31'33.42"E
35° 4'38.24"S 138°31'33.35"E
35° 3'34.98"S 138°31'34.20"E
35° 3'36.31"S 138°31'34.22"E
35° 3'36.90"S 138°31'34.21"E
35° 3'37.69"S 138°31'34.16"E
Young Street Bridge 35° 5'18.17"S 138°32'0.94"E
Junk food corner platform  35° 6'16.64"S 138°31'44.76"E

Tony
miktrain

Hi,

I am just trying to research and find where all the stations/stops were

Going by what I found the Patpa station was around here ?
35° 4'43.27"S 138°30'55.14"E
  r377 Beginner

Is this the Yeto station ? I thought this was the MV station....

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7909713

If so where was the Morphett Vale station ?
  r377 Beginner

Was the Moana Station here ?

35°11'28.48"S 138°29'1.50"E

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