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SAR T186
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:13 pm
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GSR are turning there Ghan and Indian Pacfic trains into cruise ships making regular travel on them very expensive unless you want to travel cattle class, or more known as "Red Kangaroo Daynighter Seat" The cheapest Gold Kangaroo ticket is on The Overland at $245 return for a Adult, i do remember when it was $200 oneway in Gold Kangaroo for a Adult.
Now that the Ghan is going to Darwin and as much we are all excited about it, can you actually afford it??? At $1740 one way Gold Kangaroo i don't think many will be making alot of trips, but for a cheap price of $440 one way Red Kangaroo Daynighter Seat, i think the plane looks alot cheaper.
I have been told that when AN were running the services that they were still as good but alot cheaper than today. It's good to see that GSR have made alot imporvements since the AN days, but not everyone can afford it.
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DavidB
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:17 pm
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| SAR T186 wrote: | | GSR are turning there Ghan and Indian Pacfic trains into cruise ships making regular travel on them very expensive unless you want to travel cattle class, or more known as "Red Kangaroo Daynighter Seat" The cheapest Gold Kangaroo ticket is on The Overland at $245 return for a Adult, i do remember when it was $200 oneway in Gold Kangaroo for a Adult. |
They were starting to turn into cruise ships before GSR took over. You don't take the Ghan or IP because you need to get somewhere in a hurry or on the cheap. You go for the experience of going.
Unfortunately GSR has turned the Overland into a cruise ship. At least AN ran it like the intercapital overnight service it's supposed to be.
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David
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SAR T186
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:08 pm
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The experience is great, i know that, but i am trying to say is that not that cheap and not everyone can afford to due such a experience alot, as it isn't cheap.
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DavidB
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:27 pm
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| SAR T186 wrote: | | The experience is great, i know that, but i am trying to say is that not that cheap and not everyone can afford to due such a experience alot, as it isn't cheap. |
If you want to go on the cheap, fly Virgin Blue. But all you'll see is airports and clouds.
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georails
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:46 pm
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You can go coach, quite cheap, and still enjoy the view the Gold Roo people see. The seats lay back all right and the service is not "LUXURY", BUT its still a good trip. I did the Alice ex Sydney 6 years ago and Loved it, even though I sat up.
I suggest you give it a try.
The economics of only a few passengers is why GSR dropped the Overlland back 
If you dont like all trains, no matter where from
- THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG 
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DavidB
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BlueBird 255
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 12:22 pm
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Gsr increasing the student fare on the indian pacific from adelaide to sydney has not helped one bit! Cheaper to go by bus.
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TA 2000
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:50 pm
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| Marky Mark wrote: | | Gsr increasing the student fare on the indian pacific from adelaide to sydney has not helped one bit! Cheaper to go by bus. |
Don't bother with any of that bus, train or plane. Just drive every it cheap quick and no Bull.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:56 pm
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| SAR T186 wrote: | GSR are turning there Ghan and Indian Pacfic trains into cruise ships making regular travel on them very expensive unless you want to travel cattle class, or more known as "Red Kangaroo Daynighter Seat" The cheapest Gold Kangaroo ticket is on The Overland at $245 return for a Adult, i do remember when it was $200 oneway in Gold Kangaroo for a Adult.
Now that the Ghan is going to Darwin and as much we are all excited about it, can you actually afford it??? At $1740 one way Gold Kangaroo i don't think many will be making alot of trips, but for a cheap price of $440 one way Red Kangaroo Daynighter Seat, i think the plane looks alot cheaper.
I have been told that when AN were running the services that they were still as good but alot cheaper than today. It's good to see that GSR have made alot imporvements since the AN days, but not everyone can afford it. |
Oh yeah,
I still remember back in 1992 I did Overdue for $92 1st class one way...that includes breakfast BTW....
(comparably good breakfast )
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 11:32 pm
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| DavidB wrote: | | SAR T186 wrote: | | GSR are turning there Ghan and Indian Pacfic trains into cruise ships making regular travel on them very expensive unless you want to travel cattle class, or more known as "Red Kangaroo Daynighter Seat" The cheapest Gold Kangaroo ticket is on The Overland at $245 return for a Adult, i do remember when it was $200 oneway in Gold Kangaroo for a Adult. |
They were starting to turn into cruise ships before GSR took over. You don't take the Ghan or IP because you need to get somewhere in a hurry or on the cheap. You go for the experience of going.
Unfortunately GSR has turned the Overland into a cruise ship. At least AN ran it like the intercapital overnight service it's supposed to be.
Cheers
David |
Geez....
I just got off Sydney->Melbourne XPT hours ago and while on the train I was thinking of, what if this was a cruise train rather than just an intercapital train with no leisure facility at all 
Nothing wrong with been a cruise ship, there are far too many competitors on Adelaide-Melbourne toute, is best if they come up with somthing better(and hopefully at a right fare level)
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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SAR T186
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 7:10 pm
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This is what i have been trying to say ealier, that if GSR are going to provide intercaptital services and also for the tourist industry as well, it should be a bit cheaper than what it is today. I ain't paying $1750 one way to darwin, thats nearly $3000 return, plnae would be alot cheaper. It just feels that GSR seem to be more focused on tourists than regular train travellers.
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aj666
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2003 9:21 pm
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Here is the anwser to the question... they are a private company not a government department . There goal is to make profit to cover their costs and as the price of living goes up everything else does too. There it is pure and simple although i personally i cant afford to much travel at those prices but i am only 1 drop of water in a very big ocean. The trains ( well maybe not the Overland so much) has been leveled at tourists overseas as well as at home. So in a way they have come full circle to what they were ( ships of the desert).
If i have pronounced the above wrong you know what i mean.
AJ 
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aus&serbian_rail
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 9:52 pm
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In 10 years they'll end up like historic/touristic railway because no one is so crazy to spend that much money and time for traveling. Even tourists will turn away, for that money you can do much more than 'see the desert'. For the money that you spend on Sydney-Perth train fare you could easily get to London.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:17 pm
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| aus&serbian_rail wrote: | | In 10 years they'll end up like historic/touristic railway because no one is so crazy to spend that much money and time for traveling. Even tourists will turn away, for that money you can do much more than 'see the desert'. For the money that you spend on Sydney-Perth train fare you could easily get to London. |
Not quite, having work with some ARTC /Westnet rail and RIC access charge recently I found there is little GSR can do to lower the price. ARTC/RIC and Westnet rail really charged too much.
GSR is not happy about it too, GSR has asked
(evidence here http://www.ncc.gov.au/pdf/CERaNtSu-012.pdf ) all these rail access bodies to lower the access charge for passenger train basically because passenger trains gets the most expensive charge at any given route despite passenger carriages really doesn't damage rail track as much as freight trains do....the current rail access charge is in favour of slow freight trains, not passenger trains.
At the moment all GSR can do is to give as much to passengers as possible to make the expensive ticket well worthy, hence you get all that stuff like the travelling certificate, the blue ocean cocktail champian and 24 hours snack on board....etc
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 10:23 pm
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| aus&serbian_rail wrote: | | In 10 years they'll end up like historic/touristic railway because no one is so crazy to spend that much money and time for traveling. Even tourists will turn away, for that money you can do much more than 'see the desert'. For the money that you spend on Sydney-Perth train fare you could easily get to London. |
Also more here... http://www.ncc.gov.au/pdf/CERaNtSu-003.pdf
Stephan doesn't look happy according to the stuff in it....too unfair that train runs the least frequent and do the least track damage gets to pay the most expensive price
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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