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mjja
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:54 pm
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Is there space to duplicate the track and add stabling, car parks, bus loops, etc to stations?
Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"
Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
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John of Melbourne
The Ghost of George Stephenson
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:32 pm
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| cfclael57 wrote: | | There is a platform at Lal Lal so I can only assume the station was called Lal Lal. |
 Lal Lal was a station on the Geelong—Ballarat line. Are you referring to something on the Whittlesea line? The stations between Epping and Whittlesea were Sth Morang, Mernda, and Yan Yean. At least this was the case in 1927, and I don't think that there were others at any time, except for a whole bunch of Rail Motor Stopping Places.| mjja wrote: | | Is there space to duplicate the track and add stabling, car parks, bus loops, etc to stations? |
While not having had a look myself, I expect that the easement is a standard one-chain wide easement, widening at stations, so there should be no problems with any of this except perhaps where they stick a station where there wasn't one before.
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cfclael57
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 8:46 am
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Yan Yean! Thats the one i meant. There are trees growing on the track bed. I wonder why they always go on the track bed and not next to it 
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Ben-P19
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:13 pm
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If they do grade seperate the crossing at Cooper Street/Mcdonalds Road then the dogleg caused by the crossing willbe removed. This is a good thing, as I find that crossing a pain in the glutimus maximus!
Also by straightening out the road it alows more length between the grade crossing and the station, so maybe the road and rail can both be raised and lowered at the same time (or vice versa) lessening the impact on both.
Ben
Last edited by Ben-P19 on Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:19 pm; edited 1 time in total
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trainfreak
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:18 pm
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The last time I was at whittlesea the station platform and surrounding areas was free of any trees and appeared to be used as a makeshift carpark.
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freightgate
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 1:45 pm
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Is the return of these services any closer than just another study by the Vic. government?
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zipitidoodah
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 2:44 pm
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It costs less to change the level of the road than it does to change the level of the railway, doesn't it? A car needs much less "ramp" space, whereas with rail you need to start the climb or descent further back.
| cfclael57 wrote: | | Yan Yean! Thats the one i meant. There are trees growing on the track bed. I wonder why they always go on the track bed and not next to it |
I've noticed the same thing on the old narrow gauge Walhalla line a few kilometres north of Moe. You can see where it goes because there's a big line of trees right through the middle of all the paddocks. What surprises me is that the trees are still fenced off from the adjacent paddocks, like somebody still seperately owns the land, even though it hasn't been a railway for arounds 50 years.
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If they wanted to get the project moving, they could always put in a level crossing but allow ample space to convert it to a grade-separated crossing later on. I know this might seem a bit wasteful, but you might be waiting for ages otherwise...
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freightgate
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 2:50 pm
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Looking at a map of the South Morang area, if the distance is only 20 kms from Epping to Mernda, then the cost of putting back the line and providing a decent service to the new housing developments out there (as per another forum topic), at $1m per km, that is only say $20m in line and eletricifcation and say $5m for the stations and signals etc, that is cheap at $25m if you think of the costs of providing freeways and other roads that are not really required!
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bevans
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 2:57 pm
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Good Point. The real problem with Victoria is the complete lack on public transport planning and the insane use of consultants to tell the railways what they already know.
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freightgate
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 3:00 pm
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| bevans wrote: | | Good Point. The real problem with Victoria is the complete lack on public transport planning and the insane use of consultants to tell the railways what they already know. |
Victoria now has the planning culture. They plan and plan and plan, but don't implement. Look at South Morang. The line should have been built 5 years ago.
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mjja
Sir Nigel Gresley
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 5:09 pm
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| bevans wrote: | | Good Point. The real problem with Victoria is the complete lack on public transport planning and the insane use of consultants to tell the railways what they already know. |
Not the railways, the DoI. That's the problem.
Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"
Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
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tayser
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 5:17 pm
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| mjja wrote: | | bevans wrote: | | Good Point. The real problem with Victoria is the complete lack on public transport planning and the insane use of consultants to tell the railways what they already know. |
Not the railways, the DoI. That's the problem. |
and Vicroads.
anyhow, just wait for the development (completely different housing development that we're used to seeing on the fringe) and then you'll see more info on South Morang and the other Branch from Epping.
wont happen overnight but it will happen
MELBOURNE - VIRES ACQUIRIT EUNDO
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standard_gauge
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 5:49 pm
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| bevans wrote: | | Rossco T wrote: | The other thing to note about the "new" South Morang Station is that it will not be located in the same location as the former station (which remains still exist).
The new station will be about 2.5km closer to Melbourne than the old station (IIRC Melway 183A11 compared to Melway 183 G10).
Ross |
Typical, anyway they can save a buck! 2.5 Kms is a fair distance.
Was the old station near the power yard next to Mcdonald road??
Also I have heard that there are houses built on the old allignment to South Morang. |
Don't think there is last time I check around early 2001, because the route is already a reserved land
Hey?..whatever happen to my warning level?
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John of Melbourne
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 11:34 pm
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| zipitidoodah wrote: | | It costs less to change the level of the road than it does to change the level of the railway, doesn't it? A car needs much less "ramp" space, whereas with rail you need to start the climb or descent further back. |
Hmmm, I don't know. Certainly a road ramp would be shorter than a rail ramp, but it would also be quite a bit wider, and earthworks aren't cheap.
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kuldalai
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 1:32 am
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The distance from Epping to Mernda is more like 11 kms than 20 kms as suggested, as it was 7 miles in the old measure .
South Morang extension will probably be next electrification extension off the rank after Craigieburn is finished . Timing who knows ?
If the money DOI spends on its endless Studies was actually spent on extending the system we might have a system in parallel with housing expansion, rather than always lagging years behind when most families have acquired two plus cars because of the lack of adequate public transport.
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