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colint
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Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:38 pm
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Hi there everyone..
Why is it a offence to "Alight from a train" that only stops at a station to pick up passengers?
Yes I got hit with this fine last week! 
colint@ozemail.com.au
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Col
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Skindog the Hawk
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:24 am
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| colint wrote: | Hi there everyone..
Why is it a offence to "Alight from a train" that only stops at a station to pick up passengers?
Yes I got hit with this fine last week!
colint@ozemail.com.au
Regards to all
Col |
Dare I ask where??
Put simply, the reason why trains are "pick up only" is to ensure sufficient space for those who are travelling long-distance....read : South Coast PM peak services which set down from Helensburgh onwards.
Suburban services are for suburban people...
Skindog.
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colint
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:48 am
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Well I used to take the 5:15pm Mount Vic train from Central, and alight at Parra to catch an all stations train to Rooty Hill, only takes me about 1 hour of travel. If I have to take the normal train from central, then it takes 1 and half hours of travel.
The has always be an abundance of seats on the Mount Vic service.
My point is really, does it constitute a breach of Saftey (Rail Saftey Act) to get off a train that has stopped to pick up passengers?
I think not.
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Col
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Skindog the Hawk
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:32 am
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| colint wrote: | Well I used to take the 5:15pm Mount Vic train from Central, and alight at Parra to catch an all stations train to Rooty Hill, only takes me about 1 hour of travel. If I have to take the normal train from central, then it takes 1 and half hours of travel.
The has always be an abundance of seats on the Mount Vic service.
My point is really, does it constitute a breach of Saftey (Rail Saftey Act) to get off a train that has stopped to pick up passengers?
I think not.
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Col |
The point is not whether it's a breach of rail safety or not, but the fact that the seating on that train is provided specifically for the purpose of country/outer metropolitan passengers. Whilst the 5.15 Mt Vic service might have plenty of seats, I can tell you that the 4.06, 4.36, 5.06 & 5.36 South Coast services (which all have that restriction in force - pick up @ Hurstville & Sutherland only) are packed with people, sitting in stairways, standing in vestibules etc etc etc. That is why the restriction is in force. If you don't believe that it should be, then complain to CityRail. Admittedly you are only one person, but if enough people complained the rule would get changed. Regardless, now you know the rule, you're taking the risk and if you get caught, pay the consequences (read : a $550 fine now...  )
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Bwana
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:26 pm
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It occurs to me that it may be a breach of safety rules in that it leads to overcrowding on the train, resulting in:-
- people having to stand, which could cause them to fall when the train lurches to one side
- An increase in the likelyhood of viruses being transferred between passengers (because they're closer together)
- the possibility of a passenger being trampled by other passengers
- an passenger becoming ill due to heat/humidity/stuffiness etc
If there is never any problems getting a seat, chances are cityrail don't realise this.
Just a theory, not definite fact
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colint
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:01 pm
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Well I don't really see your point.
So acoring to you, it's not OK for someone to stand from Central to Wollongong, but it's Ok to stand from Central to Penrith. Considering the time on the train is about the same.
I really don't see it as a seat problem.
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Skindog the Hawk
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:49 pm
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| colint wrote: | Well I don't really see your point.
So acoring to you, it's not OK for someone to stand from Central to Wollongong, but it's Ok to stand from Central to Penrith. Considering the time on the train is about the same.
I really don't see it as a seat problem.
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Consider that Penrith gets considerably more services than Wollongong, and from recollection you said you were travelling to Rooty Hill, which is 45 minutes west from Central, not 90 minutes (which is Central-Wollongong). Even if it is Penrith, it is only a 62 minute trip (5.06 ex Central), or 54 minutes if you get the 5.03 express ex-Central.
Just for the record, between 5pm & 6pm, Rooty Hill has 4 direct services, plus one which commences from Parramatta (I would assume it's a Cumberland line service) and Penrith has more (approx 12-16) against Wollongong's 3 (which take avg. 90 minutes to Wollongong) and the Blue Mountains' 3.......
Sorry, but the rules are the rules and your justification for breaking them really doesn't stack up..
Skindog.
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Bwana
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:51 pm
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The difference is not that someone has to stand, it's the number of people that have to stand. The more people that are standing, the higher the risk that one of them will be injured.
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pennoes
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:23 am
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Ah, yes....
but, peak services are always crowded with people standing all over the place - just inherent in the journey, so I agree, I fail to see the rationale
On a lighter note tho, I think that the more crowded the train gets, the more people are there to stop you falling and thus the safer the journey gets - lets face it, you can't fall over as easily in a train packed like sardines! 
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Skindog the Hawk
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pennoes
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:09 am
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It would pose a problem. Although there are fire exits in the carriages.
I wonder what they do in suburban Japan, where they actually employ people to "push" you into the train to pack it so that the doors can close?
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