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XP2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:48 pm
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The Melbourne XPT got delayed at cootumundra on the 26th of september and caused alot of people to miss the Murwillimbah connection this was PN's fault for not giving the XPT right of way due to trackwork
NOT HAPPY
Spent all day Saturday on a bus chasing the Murwillimbah XPT and the bus was only half an hour behind the train Surely Control could delay it for half an hour 40 min so thier passengers could catch the train
Not Impressed PN next time dont hold up a pass train
Yes we were on the platform as well but couldnt go outside the doors were locked and they wouldnt unlock them
Cheers Joel
PS this was to Sydney
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dudley
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 10:46 pm
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How could it be PN`s fault South control calls the shots at coota
PN would have payed for the path
cancell the XPT =5 BUSES
cancell thr freight =80 TO 100 TRUCKS
I dont ride trains I know the people that drive them !!!!
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 5:43 pm
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| dudley wrote: | How could it be PN`s fault South control calls the shots at coota
PN would have payed for the path
cancell the XPT =5 BUSES
cancell thr freight =80 TO 100 TRUCKS |
Actually it's the Southern Rail Management Center (Junee Control) South Control only to Goulburn.
Dave Malcolm
DRIVER, PN CMD
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XP2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 2:24 pm
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Still they should have given the XPT Right of way
I didnt know who was doing it
but i dont want it to happen again
Cheers Joel
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:33 pm
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| 6002t wrote: | Still they should have given the XPT Right of way
I didnt know who was doing it
but i dont want it to happen again
Cheers Joel |
Why should they have given the XPT the right of way? Pacific National pay for their path just like Countrylink do, and they have customers waiting for their train, and it's freight that keeps the railways open.
Dave Malcolm
DRIVER, PN CMD
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XP2009
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:46 pm
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Because i have Lymphademia and cant sit on a bus for 11 hours
Cheers Joel
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ParkesHub
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:52 pm
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Why should they have given the XPT the right of way? Pacific National pay for their path just like Countrylink do, and they have customers waiting for their train, and it's freight that keeps the railways open. |
Because there is a hierarchy in place that allows a pass to take precedence over freight. Presumably, but not necessarily, that would be reflected in access fees.
The XPT is a travesty of service even when it runs to time!!!!
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mjja
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 10:51 am
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Of course they really need to double-track the lot so they can go wrong road if they need to. That would also speed the services up a whole lot - on waiting in passing loops.
An alternative route would help too - eg if there was still a way to get to Sydney via Tocumwal (assuming everything was SG).
Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"
Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:01 pm
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| ParkesHub wrote: | | Fireman Dave wrote: |
Why should they have given the XPT the right of way? Pacific National pay for their path just like Countrylink do, and they have customers waiting for their train, and it's freight that keeps the railways open. |
Because there is a hierarchy in place that allows a pass to take precedence over freight. Presumably, but not necessarily, that would be reflected in access fees. |
You are assuming the XPT was on it's path. The protocol is that an on time train has precedence over a late train, regardless of the type of train. The Freighter may also have been running late as well, but we don't really know the whole story. Controllers don't always follow the protocol, but there is always a reason.
Dave Malcolm
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XP2009
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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2003 5:53 pm
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XPT was 8 min late on arrival into Cootumundra
Cheers Joel
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Fireman Dave
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:31 pm
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| 6002t wrote: | XPT was 8 min late on arrival into Cootumundra
Cheers Joel |
So it was no longer a "healthy" train ( a train on it's path), and as such according to the train control protocol must be held for a "healthy" train.
Dave Malcolm
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awsgc24
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:11 pm
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An alternative route would help too - eg if there was still a way to get to Sydney via Tocumwal (assuming everything was SG). |
The track via Tocumwal is too light for heavy freight engines and would need to be replace, also the wooden sleepers. Plus bridges like the one over the Murrumbigee.
Narrandera to Tocumwal is 180km. Assuming no sidings, and using the "average" cost of the Darwin line of $1m per km, that's $180m minimum.
What is the distance from Tocumwal to Seymour on the Victoria side where dual gauge may cause some problems?
The existing 30kg rails do not have a lot of value, except as fence posts. And there is no longer any demand for old rails to recycle as Telegraph posts, since telegraphs are obsolete.
A disadvange of the Tocumwal bypass is that it is an all or nothing project. You need to do most of the work before it returns any value.
Incremental improvement on the existing line is more likely to be of value. For example, put short platforms on the loops where the XPT stops so that freight trains can cross on the main line and avoid the low speed turnouts at either end.
One size fits all?
_ Railway gauge _ _ _ _ : Mostly YES; Almost always 1435mm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ : except sugar cane trams, rocket launch pads, telescopes.
_ _ Shoe/hat/ ring sizes: NO_ _ _ _ _ .
May use SUW 2000 VGA to bridge break-of-gauge.
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XP2009
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:18 pm
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it was healthy thier wasnt anything wrong with it it was late arriving into melbourne as well
Cheers Joel
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