Railway Archaeology Quiz #4

 
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Via St Kilda from Windsor

Stations at Elsternwick, Ripponlea, North Brighton and Brighton Beach

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  Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

When the line was opened, I don't think it originally terminated at Brighton Beach, however the line was extended there very shortly after.

You have one of your stations wrong.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

1. The 1860 Victorian map at http://pigfish.vic.cmis.csiro.au/~ajw/VRMaps/Vic1860.pdf
shows St Kilda, Chapel Street, Balaclava, Elsternwick and Bay Street.  
2. By the 1870 map the line was open from Richmond, with stations at Balaclava, Elsternwick, North Brighton, Middle Brighton and Brighton Beach.
3. It's not until the 1890 map that the line is shown extending to Sandringham.
So, although the question asked about the Sandringham line, I guess it means the line which currently runs to Sandringham, in which case my answer is point 1 above.  Incidentally, Chapel Street became Windsor, and the terminal station then known as Bay Street is now North Brighton.
  Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

Correct.

The line from St Kilda to Bay Street opened in 1859. The line from Punt Road (Richmond) to Chapel Street opened in 1860, and the line from St Kilda to Chapel Street closed in 1862. I believe the Extention to Brighton Beach was opened when the Richmond-Windsor section opened, but I might be wrong.

The extention to Sandringham with a station at Hampton was opened in 1889 IIRC.

Your Turn!

(P.S. I wasn't expecting anyone to actually use the old names for the stations, but I was gonna use them in this post anyway)
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
The line from St Kilda to Bay Street opened in 1859. The line from Punt Road (Richmond) to Chapel Street opened in 1860, and the line from St Kilda to Chapel Street closed in 1862.
"Nexas"
What's your source for this?  A source I have says that this was closed by October 1862.  This doesn't negate your date, of course.  I wonder how services were worked for the period both routes were open?
I believe the Extention to Brighton Beach was opened when the Richmond-Windsor section opened, but I might be wrong.
"Nexas"
Bay Street to Brighton Beach opened in December 1861
The extention to Sandringham with a station at Hampton was opened in 1889 IIRC.
"Nexas"
Brighton Beach to Sandringham was opened in September 1887.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
....Then there are the mysteries (if anyone can enlighten me, I'd appreciate it!):
1   Station St, Naremburn (was there ever a station there?)
2   Rail Place, Chipping Norton (was there ever a railway there?)
3   Railway Pde, Condell Park (ditto)
4   Terminus Rd, Seven Hills (I didn't think this station was ever a terminus)
5   Terminus St, Petersham (ditto)....
"Sonofagunzel"


I'm not sure about 1, 2, 4 & 5, but there is an interesting story that relates to the naming of Railway Parade, Condell Park.

That area was in the process of subdivison approx. 100yrs ago, and at that time the nearest rail was the Bankstown line; Bankstown was also then the terminus of this line (previous terminus being Belmore). Apparently the railway-powers-that-be of the day had ideas of extending the then branch line to Liverpool via Moorebank (ie in a more or less direct line west). This alignment would most likely passed through what is now the suburb of Condell Park. Naturally the developer was eager to seize upon any selling point of his up-and-coming subdivison, hence the naming of Railway Parade.

As it happened, the line extension took place via a different route (joining onto the Liverpool via Regents Park line @ Sefton Park Junction, and including new stations Yagoona & Birrong), possibly because it would have been difficult constructing perway across much of what was (and largely still is) the floodplains of the Georges River. Meanwhile Railway Pde, Condell Park was already named and has remained so, despite the fact that the railway was never there in the 1st place!!!

I'm wondering is this the only instance of a street being named (with a rail-related moniker) in anticipation of a railway that never happened?
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Reminds me of one of the stories in that book about Steam Trams - seems one of the drivers whose diaries fill out much of detail in the book was also speculating on property development in the Marrickville and Dulwich Hill areas - till his bosses on the Tramways told him he needed to choose between driving trams and speculating on property. He chose the latter.

Huge boom in the late 1880s followed by depression - wonder if one is on the way?
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

Thanks, Wurx.  I wouldn't be surprised if Station St, Naremburn is in the same category.
  Sonofagunzel Chief Commissioner

Duttonbay, paging Mr Duttonbay.

It's been a week and no question.  We're getting bored in here! Very Happy
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Duttonbay, paging Mr Duttonbay.

It's been a week and no question.  We're getting bored in here! Very Happy
"Sonofagunzel"

Yeah, sorry folks.  Been very busy, and now away on business with not enough time to think of a decent question.  
Because I don't like giving anything away for free, here's an easy one:

What do/did Daylesford and Beech Forest have in common?  For a bonus point, name another two stations sharing the same commonality.
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
Duttonbay, paging Mr Duttonbay.

It's been a week and no question.  We're getting bored in here! Very Happy
"Sonofagunzel"

Yeah, sorry folks.  Been very busy, and now away on business with not enough time to think of a decent question.  
Because I don't like giving anything away for free, here's an easy one:

What do/did Daylesford and Beech Forest have in common?  For a bonus point, name another two stations sharing the same commonality.
"duttonbay"


For a train to continue its journey it had to stop and the loco run around before proceeding to its destination. Beech forest did have the advantage of the balloon loop.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

For a train to continue its journey it had to stop and the loco run around before proceeding to its destination. Beech forest did have the advantage of the balloon loop.
"T411"

I will accept that.  Not interested in the bonus point?
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
For a train to continue its journey it had to stop and the loco run around before proceeding to its destination. Beech forest did have the advantage of the balloon loop.
"T411"

I will accept that.  Not interested in the bonus point?
"duttonbay"


I am interested although I can't think of it off the top of my head.

I have thought of a question to ask although I will need to look up the details tonight before I post it. Get ready Smile
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Sale and Maldon (ie Stratford and Shelbourne)

Also Hurstbridge line from Clifton Hill for a short time before Jolimont line finished.
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere
My question.

The 8th of December 1986 was a red letter day as far as line closeures are concerned in Victoria. Doing some reading tonight I found 17 sections/lines closed on this day.

To answer this question, name at least 5 that closed on this day. In the list of 5, 1 has to be 10km's or under and one over 10km's in length.

Good luck!
  John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs
Sale and Maldon (ie Stratford and Shelbourne)

Also Hurstbridge line from Clifton Hill for a short time before Jolimont line finished.
"Riccardo"
Short time?  Over 13 years!
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
My question.

The 8th of December 1986 was a red letter day as far as line closeures are concerned in Victoria. Doing some reading tonight I found 17 sections/lines closed on this day.

To answer this question, name at least 5 that closed on this day. In the list of 5, 1 has to be 10km's or under and one over 10km's in length.

Good luck!
"T411"


Myrtleford
Skipton
Newlyn
Wedderburn
Morkalla
Rushworth Stanhope and the other one  Embarassed
Carpolac
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Sale and Maldon (ie Stratford and Shelbourne)

Also Hurstbridge line from Clifton Hill for a short time before Jolimont line finished.
"Riccardo"
Short time?  Over 13 years!
"John of Melbourne"


I thought it was about 2 or 3
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Sale and Maldon (ie Stratford and Shelbourne)

Also Hurstbridge line from Clifton Hill for a short time before Jolimont line finished.
"Riccardo"

Although I accepted the answer given, I was actually looking for the fact that the station was a terminus and a junction combined.  THe official junction for Shelbourne was, according to the WTT, Shelbourne Junction and not at Maldon station itself.  
Sale and Clifton Hill were correct.  Another one was St Kilda for the short time that the Brighton line ran from their across to Windsor and onwards.
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere

Myrtleford
Skipton
Newlyn
Wedderburn
Morkalla
Rushworth Stanhope and the other one  Embarassed
Carpolac
"Riccardo"


Wedderburn yes. Carpolac yes. I'll pay Newlyn although the source for my data suggests the section past Allendale was already closed.

Myrtleford no. From memory was 1987, similar for Skipton and the Rushworth branches. Morkalla also not part of the 8.12.1986 closings
  B 67 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland

Myrtleford
Skipton
Newlyn
Wedderburn
Morkalla
Rushworth Stanhope and the other one  Embarassed
Carpolac
"Riccardo"


Wedderburn yes. Carpolac yes. I'll pay Newlyn although the source for my data suggests the section past Allendale was already closed.

Myrtleford no. From memory was 1987, similar for Skipton and the Rushworth branches. Morkalla also not part of the 8.12.1986 closings
"T411"


Okay, I found a suitable list.   Wink

Hopetoun - Patchewollock
East Natimuk - Noradjuha and Carpolac
Traralgon - Cowwarr
Moe - Yallourn
Jeparit - Yanac
Timboon Jcn - Timboon
Wedderburn Jcn - Wedderburn
Bowser - Peechelba East
Nth Creswick - Allendale
Piangil - Kooloonong
Elmore - Diggora West
Dookie - Katamatite
Numurka - Picola
Moulamein - Balranald (permanently suspended - effectively closed).
  T411 Moderator

Location: Somewhere

Okay, I found a suitable list.   Wink

Hopetoun - Patchewollock
East Natimuk - Noradjuha and Carpolac
Traralgon - Cowwarr
Moe - Yallourn
Jeparit - Yanac
Timboon Jcn - Timboon
Wedderburn Jcn - Wedderburn
Bowser - Peechelba East
Nth Creswick - Allendale
Piangil - Kooloonong
Elmore - Diggora West
Dookie - Katamatite
Numurka - Picola
Moulamein - Balranald (permanently suspended - effectively closed).
"B 67"

Very good.

The only other ones I found were Herne's Oak to Yallourn and Ballarat East to Eureka.

Your town now Smile
  Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.
Are these trivia quiz geunine quiz or research projects - I answer them off the top of my head but sounds like others are going to get references for them eg maps, books etc

Lets play sporting please.
  Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

Are these trivia quiz geunine quiz or research projects - I answer them off the top of my head but sounds like others are going to get references for them eg maps, books etc

Lets play sporting please.
"Riccardo"


Even tho i've only answered one question correctly (which was the one about how far you can get without reversing etc...) that was all guesswork as I have absolutely no idea about this sort of stuff, oh, and i kinda worked out part of it from other peoples answers and where they went wrong.

Same with the Melbourne Suburban Quiz, i've answered tonnes of questions there but it's all from my head and if I don't know, I don't answer.

Lets hope everyone else plays like that too.
  K160 Minister for Railways

Location: Bendigo
Before posting the next question, can a new thread be made (this one's getting a bit long  Smile )

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