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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 1:47 pm
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Recent postings on the forums have got me thinking of the triangles that have existed and still exist in Victoria. I'm interested in knowing where abouts the triangles are and what condition they are in today.
I'll kick it off with the ones I can remember off the top of my head. (In no particular order).
* Crib Point - removed after MRPS vacated HMAS Cerberus depot in Oct 1997.
* Warrackneabeal (sp?) - still in operation I believe
* Wakool? - Did one ever exist here? I can recall reading something about this but am not sure.
* Wodonga. One leg removed circa late 50's. Second leg out of use since 1995 and removed sometime between 2000 - 2003.
TIA,
Mark.
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:10 pm
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Rushall is the only other one I can think of.
Edit - in fact it is the "smeggy" leg of the triangle which has survived
Was there one on the Outer Circle at East Camberwell?
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:12 pm
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| T411 wrote: | Recent postings on the forums have got me thinking of the triangles that have existed and still exist in Victoria. I'm interested in knowing where abouts the triangles are and what condition they are in today.
I'll kick it off with the ones I can remember off the top of my head. (In no particular order).
* Crib Point - removed after MRPS vacated HMAS Cerberus depot in Oct 1997. |
I forgot about this one in the previous thread.
| T411 wrote: | | * Warrackneabeal (sp?) - still in operation I believe |
And regauged.
| T411 wrote: | | * Wakool? - Did one ever exist here? |
Yes. There was also a coal stage inside the triangle which was dismantled some time in the early 50s.
| T411 wrote: | * Wodonga. One leg removed circa late 50's. Second leg out of use since 1995 and removed sometime between 2000 - 2003.
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The north to east leg was regauged so it was basically a standard gauge junction onto the dual gauge Bandiana line. The south to east bg leg fell out of use and was removed.
Some others:
- North Geelong (A, B and C boxes)
- North Shore (phosphate sidings)
- Tottenham Yard - Sunshine - Brooklyn
- South Dynon Junction, was dg and now only sg.
- Flinders St - Parliament - Jolimont (Clifton Hill/City Circle Loop). Technically you could reverse a train at Parliament but I don't know it's ever been done.
- Meringur.
- Stony Crossing, in NSW but on a VR line.
- Moulamein, also in NSW but on a VR line. Had a coal stage similar to Wakool.
- Dimboola, sort of. The turntable was the apex.
- Serviceton.
- Sale, very briefly when the new station was built.
- Fyansford (APC line, 3'6" gauge) off the circular unloading line
Cheers
David
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T411
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:18 pm
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| DavidB wrote: | | T411 wrote: | * Wodonga. One leg removed circa late 50's. Second leg out of use since 1995 and removed sometime between 2000 - 2003.
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The north to east leg was regauged so it was basically a standard gauge junction onto the dual gauge Bandiana line. The south to east bg leg fell out of use and was removed. |
I thought the SG went through to Bandiana circa WWII. I have a signal diagram at home that shows both BG and SG going from the coal sidings towards Bandiana.
"Its not an offence to drive like a prat, half of London does"
WPC Martella, The Bill, circa 1989
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:21 pm
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I have a recollection there were triangles on the Mallee lines. There certainly was one at Pinnaroo, but that's in SA. The Morkalla line maybe?
There was also a triangle at Serviceton.
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:35 pm
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Which ever way you look at it Dimboola never had a triangle via the turntable or otherwise.
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:32 pm
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| Coils wrote: | | Which ever way you look at it Dimboola never had a triangle via the turntable or otherwise. |
I agree.
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:57 pm
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| T411 wrote: |
I thought the SG went through to Bandiana circa WWII. I have a signal diagram at home that shows both BG and SG going from the coal sidings towards Bandiana. |
Wasn't it dual gauge until only a few years ago?
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:01 am
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| VRfan wrote: | | T411 wrote: |
I thought the SG went through to Bandiana circa WWII. I have a signal diagram at home that shows both BG and SG going from the coal sidings towards Bandiana. |
Wasn't it dual gauge until only a few years ago? |
The line itself from the triangle area to the down side of Kiewa Valley Highway, was as late as May 2003, still dual gauge with BG out of use. Bandiana itself has been SG only since at least 1998 (my first visit).
In my posting above, I should have made it clear I was referring just to the Wodonga area, not the line itself to Bandiana.
"Its not an offence to drive like a prat, half of London does"
WPC Martella, The Bill, circa 1989
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:56 am
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| T411 wrote: | | VRfan wrote: | | T411 wrote: |
I thought the SG went through to Bandiana circa WWII. I have a signal diagram at home that shows both BG and SG going from the coal sidings towards Bandiana. |
Wasn't it dual gauge until only a few years ago? |
The line itself from the triangle area to the down side of Kiewa Valley Highway, was as late as May 2003, still dual gauge with BG out of use. Bandiana itself has been SG only since at least 1998 (my first visit).
In my posting above, I should have made it clear I was referring just to the Wodonga area, not the line itself to Bandiana. |
Yep, the BG rail is still in place now. Or at least it was this morning when I looked...
Regarding the triangle, where was this located?
Trevor
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Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:28 am
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Yep, the BG rail is still in place now. Or at least it was this morning when I looked...
Regarding the triangle, where was this located?
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Think back before Jack Hoare Place was aligned with Reid Street. There was a car pack at the corner of Reid street and Hovell Street next to the main Melb - Syd line. I'm told and site visits in 1998/9 tended to confirm that the north - east leg of the triangle ran at the back of this car park, just at the end of the built up area.
"Its not an offence to drive like a prat, half of London does"
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:45 am
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I have some plans of Bandiana that shows both SG and BG sidings at the ordinance depot. The reason there wasn't an SG conntection prior to WWII is that Bandiana was constructed during the war probablly in 1942 or 1943. There is still SG and BG track in place running on each side of the storehouses.
I would love to see a signal diagram as it would be interesting to see how it all worked as some tracks ae duel guage. Did NSW control the SG or did VR???
I think it would make a great model railway
Iain Stuart
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:17 pm
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There was certainly a triangle at Serviceton (on the main Melbourne to Adelaide line, just on the Victorian side of the South Australian border), and infact some of it still exists!
It was on the south side of the main line on the Adelaide side of the level crossing at the down end of the yard. The leg of the triangle that ran parallel with the the main line has been removed but the other two legs are still there, although all of the point work has also been removed. These remaining tracks are also still broad gauge, although the main line and the one remaining siding (serviceing the GrainCorp silo complex) have been converted to standard gauge.
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