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Riccardo Minister for Railways

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I'm very interested in evidence of suburban freight - I still remember the vans at the Blue Moon fruit warehouse at Blackburn, the freights sitting in Bayswater yard or Ringwood middle road (or one year in the back road, which is now a pax platform). And the shunts at Mitcham, distant memories of Croydon, and the Lime trains at Burnely and Lilydale (see other thread). And now there is a thread on Hurstbridge freight.

I know i've seen some fascinating looking remains of embedded rails off the upfield line near Moreland tram depot.

Do others have specific recollections from other lines? Particularly lines that really dealt mainly in pax trains. Did the Sandringham line for example have freight in living memory?

 
standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!

I'm very interested in evidence of suburban freight - I still remember the vans at the Blue Moon fruit warehouse at Blackburn, the freights sitting in Bayswater yard or Ringwood middle road (or one year in the back road, which is now a pax platform). And the shunts at Mitcham, distant memories of Croydon, and the Lime trains at Burnely and Lilydale (see other thread). And now there is a thread on Hurstbridge freight.

I know i've seen some fascinating looking remains of embedded rails off the upfield line near Moreland tram depot.

Do others have specific recollections from other lines? Particularly lines that really dealt mainly in pax trains. Did the Sandringham line for example have freight in living memory?

- Riccardo

Sydenham/Water Closet line, Werribee line obviously see freight trains occasionally, but Altona section I believed had mobile oil train at one stage. Frankston see Steel trains and one stage military trains, Williamstown line used to have navy trains. Broadmeadow occasionally gets Kilmore East ballast and still see Kenginston shunt grain train.

Hopefully Cranbourne line will get some freight after Leogatha line reopens

 
DavidB - Moderator Site Admin

Location: Canberra

There used to be suburban goods yards all over Melbourne. Coburg was a particularly interesting one as the shunting moves were quite complicated for a small yard.

Cheers

David

 
duttonbay Minister for Railways

Did the Sandringham line for example have freight in living memory?

- Riccardo



It did in my living memory  Very Happy

My 1963 WTT shows a goods Mon,Tue,Wed,Fri to Middle Brighton and return, spending from 12:50pm to 3:29pm at Middle Brighton.

I used to spend my Saturday's (weekdays during school holidays) at Oakleigh in the mid-60s, watching the up goods shunt in the early afternoon.  If I was lucky I was invited to ride in the cab or Z-van in to the city, which was always interesting, especially shunting at Toorak.

 
DavidB - Moderator Site Admin

Location: Canberra

Did the Sandringham line for example have freight in living memory?

- Riccardo



It did in my living memory  Very Happy

My 1963 WTT shows a goods Mon,Tue,Wed,Fri to Middle Brighton and return, spending from 12:50pm to 3:29pm at Middle Brighton.  

- duttonbay



Presumably worked by an E class. The Weston Langford Suburban Pt 1 book shows electrified goods yards at Windsor and Elsternwick, goods sheds at Brighton Beach and Sandringham, and a coal siding 1/4 mile past Middle Brighton.

Next line along, there were electrified goods yards/sidings at Glenhuntly, Mentone, Mordialloc, Chelsea, Carrum and Frankston.

Also electrified goods sidings at Hawthorn, Kew, Camberwell, Surrey Hills, Blackburn, Mitcham, Ringwood, Croydon, Mooroolbark, Lilydale, Bayswater and Upper FT Gully.

Cheers

David

 
standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!

Did the Sandringham line for example have freight in living memory?

- Riccardo



It did in my living memory  Very Happy

My 1963 WTT shows a goods Mon,Tue,Wed,Fri to Middle Brighton and return, spending from 12:50pm to 3:29pm at Middle Brighton.

I used to spend my Saturday's (weekdays during school holidays) at Oakleigh in the mid-60s, watching the up goods shunt in the early afternoon.  If I was lucky I was invited to ride in the cab or Z-van in to the city, which was always interesting, especially shunting at Toorak.

- duttonbay

Where was the Middle Brighton yard? it's hard to imaging there was a freight yard there since everything is build up now. Same goes to Toorak..

I suppose the present Austrak yard at Somerton, Westall yard counts as a modern version of it.

 
DavidB - Moderator Site Admin

Location: Canberra

Where was the Middle Brighton yard? it's hard to imaging there was a freight yard there since everything is build up now. Same goes to Toorak.

- Jam>s C/



There wasn't a yard at Middle Brighton. It could be the coal siding, or Brighton Beach.

Here's Toorak and Armidale.

Cheers

David

 
duttonbay Minister for Railways

Where was the Middle Brighton yard? it's hard to imaging there was a freight yard there since everything is build up now. Same goes to Toorak.

- Jam>s C/



The Middle Brighton yard was really just the coal siding, which trailed off the down line, and IIRC was just on the up side of Dendy Street. There was one single crossover there, so the goods train was run-round using that crossover and another back at North Brighton.

Toorak goods yard was "up the hill" from Armadale station, and was located in the triangle formed by Orrong Road, the railway line, and what was the State Rivers and Water Supply offices (later Rural Water, now ??)

 
Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.

I recall the remnants of Elsternwick yard, and remember Malvern Yard in use.

Can't imagine where in Windsor the sidings were.

Toorak I have to visit on Friday - will look for evidence of sidings. But nothing obvious.

Did the Waverley line have freight traffic? Probably too new.

 
standard_gauge Dr Beeching

Location: Outside the toilet, waiting for Della Bosca to come out !!

I recall the remnants of Elsternwick yard, and remember Malvern Yard in use.

Can't imagine where in Windsor the sidings were.

Toorak I have to visit on Friday - will look for evidence of sidings. But nothing obvious.

Did the Waverley line have freight traffic? Probably too new.

- Riccardo

How about St Kilda line?

Obviously Port Melbourne line had freight.

 
duttonbay Minister for Railways

Can't imagine where in Windsor the sidings were.

Did the Waverley line have freight traffic? Probably too new.

- Riccardo

How about St Kilda line?

Obviously Port Melbourne line had freight.

- Jam>s C/

The sidings at Windsor were at the up end, along the alignment of the old, original line the St Kilda.  

In 1963 there was a regular goods train ran to Darling on the Glen Waverley line, but there was no mention of goods traffic to St Kilda.  There was once, but a long time ago.

Interestingly the Port Melbourne line didn't have a goods timetable in the WTT.  There was a note saying goods trains ran "as arranged" and listed four regular departure times from Spencer Street - two of them only 20 minutes apart.

 
TA 2000 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA - I wish!

Goods Trains Ran Past Lilydale to Cold Steam until 1993. I took a photo of Lilydale goods shed the other day. I'll post it up soon.

 
Nexas The Ghost of George Stephenson

Toorak I have to visit on Friday - will look for evidence of sidings. But nothing obvious.

- Riccardo

There are 2 things which stand out.

1. On platform one there is a structure, which was used to take goods from the Platform, up to the goods siding.

2. On the up side of the High Street bridge, there is space where a 5th track was, you can see the land go up (5th track only) to the surface level of the roads, houses, etc, and then this 5th track would have split into several others. The yard would be higher then the station.

 
Eaglemist Assistant Commissioner

Location: East Gippsland

Can't imagine where in Windsor the sidings were.

Did the Waverley line have freight traffic? Probably too new.

- Riccardo

How about St Kilda line?

Obviously Port Melbourne line had freight.

- Jam>s C/

The sidings at Windsor were at the up end, along the alignment of the old, original line the St Kilda.  

In 1963 there was a regular goods train ran to Darling on the Glen Waverley line, but there was no mention of goods traffic to St Kilda.  There was once, but a long time ago.

Interestingly the Port Melbourne line didn't have a goods timetable in the WTT.  There was a note saying goods trains ran "as arranged" and listed four regular departure times from Spencer Street - two of them only 20 minutes apart.

- duttonbay

IIRC the Port Melbourne goods was known as 'Graham Goods'.  There would also have been trips out to the old BP oil storage near Princes Pier, I presume.

There were trips with SAR horse trucks to Coldstream not so many years ago.  And there was a Mallee root dump at Caulfield where the relay room is now at the Up end of the Frankston sidings, if my memory serves me correctly.

 
DavidB - Moderator Site Admin

Location: Canberra

Goods Trains Ran Past Lilydale to Cold Steam until 1993. I took a photo of Lilydale goods shed the other day. I'll post it up soon.

- Fone King



I got a photo of a Coldstream superphosphate train not long before it stopped. I was quite pleased that it had B65 the last day I saw it!

I also remember an assortment of different locos on the Cave Hill cement traffic into the mid 80s. I lived in Mooroolbark and went to school in Croydon at the time. The train I got home in the afternoon often crossed an up cement at Croydon (before the up platform at Croydon was finished). I can recall seeing pairs of Ts or T-Y, sometimes a single X, and on one occasion an N!

Cheers

David

 
Riccardo Minister for Railways

Location: Gone. Don't bother PMing here.

Other favorite memories

- L class with its nose sticking out the gates of APM Fairfield

- waiting for a train at Bayswater one morning - only to see a BL (?) in green colours and vans come into the yard

 
ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

There were trips with SAR horse trucks to Coldstream not so many years ago.  And there was a Mallee root dump at Caulfield where the relay room is now at the Up end of the Frankston sidings, if my memory serves me correctly.

- Eaglemist

I can remember a huge pile of mallee roots at Essendon goods. They were prized for their long burning time. Of course, we didn't think of the environment or where they came from back in those days.

I think a lot of the suburban goods yards relied on solid fuel supplies.

 
DavidB - Moderator Site Admin

Location: Canberra

Other favorite memories

- L class with its nose sticking out the gates of APM Fairfield

- Riccardo



Which just triggered a memory of a pair of Es shunting at Upper FT Gully some time in the 1970s. Although I lived in Box Hill until 1984, I have no other recollection of seeing Es in traffic, but I can remember them sitting outside Jolimont Workshops.

- waiting for a train at Bayswater one morning - only to see a BL (?) in green colours and vans come into the yard

- Riccardo



My grandparents moved to Heathmont in 1981. Keeping up the tradition started when they lived at Bacchus Marsh, I would often stay with them for a while in the middle of each school holidays. My grandfather[1] and I would occasionally walk to Heathmont station or drive to Bayswater to see the local goods. I can remember seeing a 930 on it once.

Cheers

David

[1] Although he's never admitted it, I think he's a closet railway enthusiast. When I was a kid he never needed any encouragement to drive me somewhere to watch trains. He knew the SM and signalman at Bacchus Marsh really well and we both spent many enjoyable hours up in the signal box. Once I even got to exchange bell codes with Parwan and extract the staff for the Overland!

 
ninthnotch Dr Beeching

Location: Not here. Try another castle.

When did the Dandenong goods (9537/9538) cease running?  IIRC it was 1993-1994.

Also my Dad remembers E classes and L1161 shunting Sandringham yard in the 1950's-1960's; in fact the first train he ever saw in Australia was a black and red E shunting the yards there.  IIRC the sidings used to stable sparks were goods sidings.

 
Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW

One thing that has been overlooked is the electric parcel service (which I would classify as freight). This ran into the 1970s. You could sent a parcel from one station to another. Some went via normal surburban services and others went by the electric parcel van. I seem to recall going to cubs on a tuesday night we often got stopped at the boom gates at Ivanhoe for the electric parcel van.

There has been little discussion of the west. I recall seeing the grain sheds at Williamstown. The glass sidings at Spottswood would be well known. There were extensive sidings at Yarraville although they were decomissioned by the 1980's when I lived there.

The Maribyrnong Goods line was also still opperational and well worth a visit in the 1980's as there often was odd motive power, I guess they used what they could round up.

 
John of Melbourne The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Melbourne suburbs

IIRC the sidings [at Sandringham] used to stable sparks were goods sidings.

- ninthnotch

Quite a few goods yards (or parts thereof) were adapted or converted to stabling sparks, including Victoria Park (was the headshunt for the goods yard), Eltham, Lilydale (siding E at least), Upper Gully (tracks 3 & 4), Pakenham, Frankston, Broadmeadows, and Melbourne Yard Sidings.

Sparks are occasionally stabled in Dandenong goods yard.  The siding at Mitcham (not used for stabling, but for sparks to shunt) was the headshunt for the goods yard.

I'm sure that there were/are others; I think St. Kilda was another.

 
Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter

I remeber seeing an L Class pushing some ELX or simmular into a siding in the Sunshine area that was not electrified. There were about 10 VLCX's (?) between the Loco and the ELX's so the L could stay on the electrified line, when the ELX's were in position the L and VLCX's left,it was next to where my dad kept his truckand I watched it all from the fence. It was in the early 80's, I was about 10.

 
G-513 Junior Train Controller

Location: Jacana, Melbourne

Hi all,  while we are on the subject, does anybody know anything about goods trains going to Glenroy? I have lived in the area for a while and have seen much evidence of a small yard & numerous sidings. If anyone has old Glenroy yard photos or diagrams or even memories, it would be great to hear from ya.

                                       Regards, G-513

 
T411 - Moderator Moderator

Location: Somewhere

Hi all,  while we are on the subject, does anybody know anything about goods trains going to Glenroy? I have lived in the area for a while and have seen much evidence of a small yard & numerous sidings. If anyone has old Glenroy yard photos or diagrams or even memories, it would be great to hear from ya.

                                       Regards, G-513

- G-513

If you can, try and get hold of a copy of Weston langfords station diagrams books, published several years ago by ARHS. These were drawn around 1956-1960 and are quite interesting to browse through.

 
pjknife Assistant Commissioner

Location: Port Lincoln



The Middle Brighton yard was really just the coal siding, which trailed off the down line, and IIRC was just on the up side of Dendy Street. There was one single crossover there, so the goods train was run-round using that crossover and another back at North Brighton.

- duttonbay

The run-round was via Brighton Beach, not North Brighton. This shot shows E1103 coupling up to the empties in the early 1970s, having run around via Brighton Beach. Dendy St is behind the camera, Brighton Beach in the distance.

The electric parcels vans have also been mentioned. This shot was taken around the same period and is also at Middle Brighton. That's the siding off to the left, and the Dendy St level crossing ahead of the CM.

 

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