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freightgate
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:40 am
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Given Freightlink's primary operating line is the Adelaide/Darwin, do the lease terms permit access to other parts of the australian rail network?
eg: If Freightlink saw an opportunity to move freight directly from say an industrial siding in western victoria to darwin for export or to another industrial siding at Katherine, can they operate through trains?
--Bill
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DavidB
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:16 am
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| freightgate wrote: | Given Freightlink's primary operating line is the Adelaide/Darwin, do the lease terms permit access to other parts of the australian rail network?
eg: If Freightlink saw an opportunity to move freight directly from say an industrial siding in western victoria to darwin for export or to another industrial siding at Katherine, can they operate through trains? |
More likely it would be forwarded to Adelaide by ARG.
Cheers
David
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mark carter
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:34 am
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| freightgate wrote: |
eg: If Freightlink saw an opportunity to move freight directly from say an industrial siding in western victoria to darwin for export or to another industrial siding at Katherine, can they operate through trains?
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In theory open access means that providing and operator has the right accreditation, insurance etc they can operate anywhere on those tracks that open access applies. The simple answer to your question is therefore yes. If Freightlink wanted to through trains from Melbourne to Darwin there is nothing to stop them providing they can negotiate train paths over the ARTC network. Whethr they would want to is a completely different matter.
Cheers, Mark
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ike1
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:35 am
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you might find if it was small say 10 trucks not enough for a train load (freight australia/sct do it now to save another train pac/nat hook and pull to the west for them)would be haulded to adelaide and put on there on service from adelaide to darwin
as far as freightlink and any company running there own service to other states
as long as you are a acccredited
have engines trucks etc and everything is legal (by the book i mean) is accredited to operate trains in that state
you can get track access for the state you are running your trains in at a cost
ike1
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freightgate
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:44 am
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| mark carter wrote: | ........through trains from Melbourne to Darwin there is nothing to stop them providing they can negotiate train paths over the ARTC network. Whethr they would want to is a completely different matter.
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What if ARTC had a lack of spare paths?? Does open access mean that ARTC would then have to engineer paths through capital based expenditure upgrades?
For example, what capacity is available between Melbourne and Adelaide at the present time?
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mark carter
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:35 am
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| freightgate wrote: |
What if ARTC had a lack of spare paths?? Does open access mean that ARTC would then have to engineer paths through capital based expenditure upgrades?
For example, what capacity is available between Melbourne and Adelaide at the present time? |
I don't think ARTC have a statutory responsibility to provide extra capacity if it doesn't already exist. If such a scenario did arise I would imagine that the operator would be asked to foot a sizeable share of any capcital upgrades.
Capacity between Melbourne and Adelaide at times is close to 100% and at other times probably around 30% - it depends what day and what time you want to run your train.
I really don't see anything like this happening for a while.
Cheers, Mark
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freightgate
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:54 pm
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Mark, appreciate your comments. Do you believe the adelaide to Melbourne line is busier than the Melbourne to Sydney line?
--Bill
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Foamer_1
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:16 am
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| mark carter wrote: |
Capacity between Melbourne and Adelaide at times is close to 100% and at other times probably around 30% - it depends what day and what time you want to run your train.
Cheers, Mark |
That is why track charges are always different, run a train on a path in a busy time and pay heaps, run a train when no one is around and pay little
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mjja
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 12:23 pm
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ARTC may not have an /obligation/ to increase capacity, but they have a /vested interest/ in doing so. If business is available for them (ie if someone wants to run a train) then they want to serve that customer and get the money. That's obvious.
The question is whether the cost of the upgrade will be covered by the new business, taking into account that it's an investment that will pay off in the long run, not the short run.
Happy Gunzelling and remember, "Go by rail!"
Michael Angelico
President, Smart Passengers Inc
(My opinions are my own unless specifically stated.)
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