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DavidB
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 12:32 pm
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I found the photocopy I had of the 1909 survey for the Jervis Bay line. I had to scan it fairly large so the detail would show, hence the JPG is over 600Kb. A bit of the right hand edge is missing from the photocopy but you only miss part of the key. Charles Scrivener's signature comes out nicely. 
http://dbromage.railpage.org.au/JB.jpg
Note that the summit is about half way at a height of 2300 feet, which is comparable to Robertson. The climb would have been similar to Unanderra.
There is timber plus copper, lead and zinc deposits in the area along the route, so there might have been some interesting traffic and a few private branch lines.
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David
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freightgate
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 12:43 pm
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| DavidB wrote: | I found the photocopy I had of the 1909 survey for the Jervis Bay line. I had to scan it fairly large so the detail would show, hence the JPG is over 600Kb. A bit of the right hand edge is missing from the photocopy but you only miss part of the key. Charles Scrivener's signature comes out nicely.
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Why the branch line to Lake Bathhurst?? Did this ever get built?
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DavidB
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2003 8:08 pm
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| freightgate wrote: | | Why the branch line to Lake Bathurst?? |
The accompanying notes say that Marshall and Scrivener drew the proposed line on an existing Department of Mines map. This suggests that the line at Lake Bathurst actually existed in 1909. I'll look into it further.
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David
Last edited by DavidB on Thu May 15, 2003 10:36 am; edited 1 time in total
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DavidB
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 10:35 am
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The branch at Lake Bathurst ran to a salt mine. You can still see the formation, including where the level crossing used to be. It was also used for occasional picnic trains from Goulburn and Canberra. It closed somewhere around 1930 and was lifted soon after.
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freightgate
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 10:41 am
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| DavidB wrote: | The branch at Lake Bathurst ran to a salt mine. You can still see the formation, including where the level crossing used to be. It was also used for occasional picnic trains from Goulburn and Canberra. It closed somewhere around 1930 and was lifted soon after.
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Much appreciate the update. While we are on the subject, are there any other known salt mine sidings in Australia?
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DavidB
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 11:10 am
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| freightgate wrote: | | While we are on the subject, are there any other known salt mine sidings in Australia? |
Calling John Dennis!
A place called Kevin on the SAR Eyre Peninsula Division. See http://members.optushome.com.au/duttonbay/kevin1.html
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Gazza
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 9:57 am
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| DavidB wrote: | I found the photocopy I had of the 1909 survey for the Jervis Bay line. I had to scan it fairly large so the detail would show, hence the JPG is over 600Kb. A bit of the right hand edge is missing from the photocopy but you only miss part of the key. Charles Scrivener's signature comes out nicely.
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Jervis Bay is actually Commonwealth Government Territory, like the ACT. I'd say this is from when Jervis Bay was proposed to be the sea port for the planned city of Canberra.
Later on, Jervis bay was also the proposed site of Australia's first full scale nuclear reactor. It got as far as clearing the land for the site, but work then stopped. The area is now used as a car park for a nearby boat ramp!
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Auxodium
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:39 am
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| Gazza wrote: | | DavidB wrote: | I found the photocopy I had of the 1909 survey for the Jervis Bay line. I had to scan it fairly large so the detail would show, hence the JPG is over 600Kb. A bit of the right hand edge is missing from the photocopy but you only miss part of the key. Charles Scrivener's signature comes out nicely.
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David |
Jervis Bay is actually Commonwealth Government Territory, like the ACT. I'd say this is from when Jervis Bay was proposed to be the sea port for the planned city of Canberra.
Later on, Jervis bay was also the proposed site of Australia's first full scale nuclear reactor. It got as far as clearing the land for the site, but work then stopped. The area is now used as a car park for a nearby boat ramp! |
that is correct and as Canberra then strayed from Walter Griffin's original plans so did the purpose of Jervis Bay. Shame really.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:07 am
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| GeoffreyHansen wrote: | So, is Jervis bay controlled by the ACT government or is there some other contolling authority?  |
Jervis Bay Territory is a federal territory, but is not part of the ACT. But, it is mostly administered by the ACT, except for a few functions (such as National Parks), which are administered by NSW.
Specially altered number plates showing both ACT and "Jervis Bay" were issued starting at YZO-nnn, but this appears to have been abandoned by YZO-200.
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DavidB
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:17 pm
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It was part of the Australian Capital Territory until 1989 when the Australian Capital Territory achieved self government, after which it became a separate territory administered by the Minister for Territories. Jervis Bay is still in the electorate of Fraser. The local AFP are drawn from ACT Policing. Residents do have access to the ACT courts, but they do not have representation in the ACT Legislative Assembly and governance ordinances are made by the Governor-General. Health, education, utilities, etc are provided by the ACT but paid for by the Commonwealth.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:03 pm
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| DavidB wrote: | It was part of the Australian Capital Territory until 1989 when the Australian Capital Territory achieved self government, after which it became a separate territory administered by the Minister for Territories. Jervis Bay is still in the electorate of Fraser. The local AFP are drawn from ACT Policing. Residents do have access to the ACT courts, but they do not have representation in the ACT Legislative Assembly and governance ordinances are made by the Governor-General. Health, education, utilities, etc are provided by the ACT but paid for by the Commonwealth.
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yeah, Jervis is caught in a hard place in regards for that, which is confusing.
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:27 pm
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Hmmmmmmmmmm ............... JervisRail? Perhaps a case for an enterprising small Territory to break out of its confines and make a start on the Nowra - Bairnsdale coastal line.
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DavidB
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:22 pm
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As a matter of interest, I have the list of places where stations/loops were proposed. The names are taken from nearby localities and farms.
Sandhills (junction)
Fairy Meadow
Larbert
Marlowe
Tomboye
Corang
Endrick
Sassafras
Tianjara
Jerriwangala
Tomerong (junction with NSWGR line from Nowra)
South Huskisson (probably junction for line to proposed Armaco steel mill)
Jervis Bay
As well as linking Canberra to its port, the line would have opened up the area for timber and mining (there were logging camps and gold workings, but it was hard to extract with bullock teams). There are large untapped deposits of coal (the Illawarra Coal Measures extend down that far), oil shale, copper, lead, zinc, silver and gold as well as some very good building sandstone. It would have been ripe for picking in the early 20th century, but today most of it is national park.
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. Oh to dream.