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greg Locomotive Driver   Joined: Jan 12, 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:25 pm
I have heard of a new lobby group having started to promote the
building of light rail over Canberra. Anyone know anything about it
and who are its members?
 
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greg Locomotive Driver   Joined: Jan 12, 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:25 pm
"Gourd" <vbalst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3e1ed018.54699348@news.optusnet.com.au...
> I have heard of a new lobby group having started to promote the
> building of light rail over Canberra. Anyone know anything about it
> and who are its members?

See http://www.gcc.asn.au/Issues/Lightrail/Lightrail.shtml

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David Bennetts
 
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dean Beginner   Joined: Jan 12, 2003
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Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:44 pm
This would mean the politicians would need to sack the tax paying drivers, sell their free cars, and extend their free travel perks to public transport in the form of trams!!!
 
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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:24 pm
With the planning that went into what is now Canberra, were at any point during the city planning stage, trams or light rail ever considered?

When was the station and NSWR link to the ACT completed?

Were there options?
 
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kuldalai Chief Commissioner   Joined: Jan 14, 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:45 pm
SRA maps shows Queanbeyan - Canberra line opened some time between 1915 & 1925.
Of course when built it was operated by Comonwealth Railways along with Trans Line and Central Australia line and Northern Territory railway. SRA took over line finally I think in the 1980's ; albeit SRA passenger trains had operated over it for years under agreement with old Commonwealth Railways.
 
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Gazza Chief Train Controller   Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:01 pm
There was a plan at one stage to put the main Canberra station in the centre of the city, rather than on the outskirts where it is now.

Not sure why it was never done though, either in the first place or at a later date.

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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:13 am
[quote="Gazza"]There was a plan at one stage to put the main Canberra station in the centre of the city, rather than on the outskirts where it is now.

Not sure why it was never done though, either in the first place or at a later date.[/quote]

The line between Queanbeyan and Canberra (Kingston) was opened in May 1914. It was extended into Civic (Garema Place) in August 1921 as per Walter Burley Griffin's original plan. Actually the Burley Griffin plan had the line going further down Lonsdale St to what is now Dickson, Lawson (the naval communications station) and ultimately to Yass. The bridge over the Molonglo River was washed away about a year later, and the pro-car King O'Malley blocked its rebuilding. The line from Kingston to Civic was officialy closed in July 1922 and lifted soon after.

There was also a 3'6" gauge railway built for the construction of (Old) Parliament House. It ran from Kingston and the power station to the site and on to the brickworks. There was also a branch into Civic for the short time trains from Sydney terminated there. It was operated by three Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2ST "Wallaroo" type locos. The track was lifted when the building was completed, but some rails and sleepers were found when excavating Capital hill for the new Parliament House in the early 80s.

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mjja Sir Nigel Gresley   Joined: Jan 13, 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 12:49 pm
dean wrote:
This would mean the politicians would need to sack the tax paying drivers, sell their free cars, and extend their free travel perks to public transport in the form of trams!!!


Bet they wouldn't - do you read "Yes Minister"?
 
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greg Locomotive Driver   Joined: Jan 12, 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:22 pm
DavidB wrote:
The bridge over the Molonglo River was washed away about a year later, and the pro-car King O'Malley blocked its rebuilding. The line from Kingston to Civic was officialy closed in July 1922 and lifted soon after.David


Was there a lot of freight on the line in the early days? Did Canberra only ever have one rail yard or were there more? How many exist today? Is there any freight running to Canberra at all now? Greg
 
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 1:29 pm
[quote="greg"]
DavidB wrote:
The bridge over the Molonglo River was washed away about a year later, and the pro-car King O'Malley blocked its rebuilding. The line from Kingston to Civic was officialy closed in July 1922 and lifted soon after.


greg wrote:
Was there a lot of freight on the line in the early days?


Almost everything except bricks came in by rail at least until the end of WW2.

greg wrote:
Did Canberra only ever have one rail yard or were there more?


The main yard was at Kingston, with a much smaller yard (I think only 2 sidings) in Civic.

greg wrote:
How many exist today? Is there any freight running to Canberra at all now?


Some of the yard at Kingston is still in use, although most of it is now used by ARHS for the museum. The sidings into the old government printers and the powerhouse have been removed. Some of the sidings between Queanbeyan and Canberra are disused. The oil sidings at Kingston are still in use for the (usually) daily oil train.

Logs were being hauled out of Hume (between Queanbeyan and Royalla) for a while, but the contract has expired. There is talk of more logs coming out from there, and possibly a new container terminal.

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David
 
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awsgc24 Minister for Railways   Joined: Feb 18, 2003
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:50 am
The bridge on the extension to Civic that was washed out was a timber one, that could not have been very strong against floods. Pity, otherwise the line might still be here.
 
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:24 pm
awsgc24 wrote:
The bridge on the extension to Civic that was washed out was a timber one, that could not have been very strong against floods. Pity, otherwise the line might still be here.

They were particularly bad floods, but they did built a rather flimsy bridge to start with. King O'Malley was pro-car and prevented the bridge being rebuilt. The Civic branch was mothballed for 2 years before being dismantled.

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David
 
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Panic Station Master   Joined: Mar 21, 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:54 am
According to a picture of the bridge I have seen in a book, the wooden piles for the bridge were on a bit of an angle to the water flow, as they were aligned at 90 degrees to the bridge. The book was called something like "Canberra's engineering history" and there is a copy of it avaliable in the Civic library.

I agree, the bridge looked rather flimsy.
 
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agabook Assistant Commissioner   Joined: Jun 07, 2004
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:19 pm
i know that Mr Burley Griffin when he planned Canberra it included (in the plan)'Street car'(what yanks call LRV's or trams)routes.



Batchelor is a disgrace,stick a freeway on his head!
new rail to Portsea,East Donny and Rowville
 
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S-Truck Locomotive Fireman   Joined: Oct 18, 2004
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:35 pm
greg wrote:
I have heard of a new lobby group having started to promote the
building of light rail over Canberra. Anyone know anything about it
and who are its members?


A bit old I guess:

The group is ACT Light Rail Coalition. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACTLightRail/
 
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